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First off- hats off to the Patriots in getting to Lucas Oil. Way to represent the PAC! Had a group they’ve been waiting on for some time and they did what needed to be done.
Now- for the ol nemisis Chatard. What is the outlook on their team?? Being down in the corner of the State- don’t know much about them?? Run heavy?? Throw it around the lot??
I will say if you think you’re just gonna line up and try and run it at the Patriots, you’re gonna be in for a “slobber knocker” of a game and probably a long night.
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31 minutes ago, HereComesTheBoom said:
At least second comment from you about not playing a P/P school. Not sure of your point other than to somehow try to diminish the run HH is on this postseason. Oh wait, weren’t you also the one whining about having to play in the mud and not on the pretty, clean turf? Never mind. Enjoy the game tonight!
Damn - people sure are sensitive. I was asking a genuine question as it seems to be a very rare feat (not playing a P/P school) and was curious how many times that may/may not have happened. With Chatard/Memorial now out of the picture obviously that could become more of the norm now. Geez...
BTW - I was in attendance in L'burg rooting on the Patriots and our PAC brethren. Would be cool to see a PAC school up their representing.
19 minutes ago, tango said:Well, there aren't many to run up against - only 3 p/p football schools South of Indy - Memorial (now 4A) and Mater Dei & Providence (both 2A).
Scenia, Heritage Christain, Brebuff, etc...plenty of them you failed to mention. Heck there has been years we've seen 3 straight P/P schools on the way up to a trip to LOS.
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21 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:
Are these all the live-stream links??
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39 minutes ago, djbowzz said:
Who cares about the "woulda, shoulda, couldas" of the past, like the fumble EB returned against WEBO last year that didn't end up being a fumble in the officials eyes.... or when the kid from Ritter stepped out of bounds on the long TD run against us....
Obviously we have got past all of this 😄, and are moving on to the next step... Our 4th consecutive Semi state game.
Going to be a huge challenge with a very tough Andrean team. A QB out to prove something after a Labrum and rotator cuff tear 2 years ago and a 2000+ yard rusher and all of their other weapons that are back from injuries. The 3 losses that this team has are from teams that all played in the 4A and 6A regionals, with 2 of those teams playing this week. They also beat the #1 and heavily favored Lewis Cass Kings last week fairly easily.
I was able to get my first glimpse of the Panthers last week, finally attending my first game of the season. I was impressed. The defense is lightning quick and seem to have their ears pinned back on every play. Pass defense really impressed me, Eastside threw a lot of screens and we read them quite well and only seemed to give up short yardage on them. Offense, typical Eastbrook, run it down your throat and pop up for a pass when you are least expecting it.
It will be a packed house tonight at Freck Field. I will be making the trek up from Indy again. Get there early and enjoy a grilled ribeye, tenderloin or sausage sandwich, dress warm and prepare for a enough cowbells to cure any fever you may have! Safe travels to all and good luck and good health to all teams playing tonight!
GO PANTHERS!
I don't know all the ins/outs and point values and what it takes...but I've always wondered how Eastbrooke hasn't been moved up with the Success Factor?? Seems like you guys are always in semi-state?? Does getting there not accumulate enough points I guess??
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1 hour ago, PhilLee said:
A lot of idiocy in this thread, but here a few facts to actually ponder as we have reached semi-state Friday across the state:
1. There are 16 teams left in the state of Indiana in 3A-6A. Of those 16, only 1 did not have to beat a single team during their playoff run with a Sagarin rating better then 100. That one team is Danville. Doesn't mean they cannot and/or could not have done so and doesn't mean much once the game kicks off tonight. But the simple reality is they won a sectional with a few average (at best) teams and beat arguably the worst 3A sectional winner in the past 20 years (if you go off the Sagarin ratings) in the regional last week against Vincennes.
2. Have seen the usual and tiring jabs at certain P/P schools (in this case Chatard was brought up) about being "dirty" and certain assertions about undue influence. For fun, why not go back in the last 4 years and look at every starter who has played at Danville and check where they attended middle school and then compare that with Chatard and their feeder perishes. Might be very enlightening. Of the last 4 Danville QB's, only 1 played middle school football at Danville. Their QB this year miraculously showed up this summer as a sophomore from Avon, where a returning JR starter at QB was ahead of him on the depth chart. If that would have happened at a Chatard or Mishawaka Marian (just using them as they are 2 teams still playing), we know what the calls from many on this board would be.
3. Heritage Hills has already beaten 3 teams during their playoff run better (according to the Sagarins) then Danville. Again does not mean anything as tonight's outcome, but HH has seen better outfits then what Danville brings to the table. Danville's best win on the year was at Tri-West in the sectional (after losing to them in the regular season). HH has 5 or 6 wins this year better then anything Danville has done. Hence why many who think this game, at least on paper, will not be all that competitive if both teams play at similar levels as we've seen throughout the season.
Hopefully we some great games across the state tonight. Something we've haven't seen a ton of at the sectional and regional final levels to this point. Too many bad matchups and bad games in the 6 classes.
Nice Post - finally we have some reason/clarity to this thread. Interesting take on the "run through the playoffs" ...got me thinking. I know HH hasn't had it easy by any means - but interesting that they haven't run up against a P/P school at all in the tourney?? I wish some statistician could tell me when the last time a team in 3A South has had a road to LOS that didn't involve playing or taking out a P/P?? HH gotta feel pretty fortunate in that regard....
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29 minutes ago, 1st_and_10 said:
You mad, bro? Eastbrook could go to back to back State Finals games with no repercussions also...
Not mad at all. Thought we represented ourselves pretty well for moving up to 3A and losing our All-State caliber QB. Just pointing out what I feel is an obvious flaw in the system. Some of you dudes try and turn EVERYTHING into an argument and it really is annoying/tiresome.
Glad you all got a new field though.
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21 minutes ago, Knightmare said:
What a great design by Coach Woods(2:28:23). Can't believe they ran it again after the penalty
No dog whatsoever in the Chatard/Danville history/discussion/back-forth...but did the COACH really just leave the sideline to go stand in front of the stands so that everyone can "look at me??" Really??
I have no problem whatsoever with genuine excitement and celebrating with your guys ...but to leave the sideline and go stand amongst the cheerleaders?? Really??
Sorry for the distraction from the game - but man...
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3 minutes ago, Impartial_Observer said:
Word.
As I stated earlier, the success factor had ONE goal. It has been achieved. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just stating the facts.
Had ONE goal - but at the expense of others?? Just the "unintended consequences" argument?? Ya it made some P/P play up some classes a few years, but what of the obvious FLAWS in the system?? Like a school could win back-to-back States and have no repercussions??
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The Chatard/Danville talk can stop- it ain’t gonna happen. HH rolls in this one 28-7
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3 hours ago, Lysander said:
I will say the same thing I have always said from the day it was announced, though. Just move every single P/P up a class and be done with it. I’m totally down with that.
Seema that simple doesn’t it??
3 hours ago, RoadRunner said:There is a flaw in the success factor... Southridge chose the wrong 2 years to be good... WeBo could win the state championship back-to-back years with no penalty... but Southridge wins the State followed by a Regional championship and gets bumped to 3A. If you are going to penalize one, you have to do all... It makes sense to RECLASS every two years, but the success factor should be in place every year.
Seriously- how has this flaw not been brought up or fixed?? Makes zero sense at all. ZERO
2 hours ago, Titan32 said:No...but I do know the correct definition of a "Hail Mary".
Man- can’t you guys ever play nice??
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44 minutes ago, slice60 said:
While I agree that the current system is not perfect, I think that the current Success Factor system has been positive overall-- for all sports.
Speaking of football only-- In general, programs that are bumped up are still competitive playing up with several (Cath, New Pal, Dwenger, Col East) continuing to advance far in the tournament.
For those who propose a 4-year cycle, I offer this counter-argument. Let's say your school has a "golden" class or two which brings home a couple of state titles earning enough points in the 4-year cycle to be bumped up to a higher class. That means the incoming Freshmen would have to compete in that higher class for all 4 years of their HS career.
The IHSAA recognized that something (Success Factor, Multiplier, separate P/P tournament) had to be done & they selected the best option, in my opinion. Just looking at 4A football is a great example-- from 1996-present, just 3 schools have taken home 14 state championships & 5 runner-ups in those 23 years. That means Cathedral, Roncalli & Dwenger (under 5% of the 64 -team field) made up 19 of the 46 (41%) state finalists & 14 of the 23 champions (61%) during those years.
The Success Factor provides some competitive balance & should not be viewed as a punishment to those programs. Look at what Cathedral has done-- after dominating 4A with 5 state titles in 7 years, they went up to 5A & won back-to-back state titles. After going up to 6A, they still won back-to-back Sectionals (then dropped down to 5A before the change from 3 points to 2 points). Back to 5A, they won Regional in 2017 & Sectional in 2019.
Dwenger just got bumped up into 5A this year & they are playing in the Semi State on Friday. In my mind, those top-notch football programs are currently playing at the right level of competition.
Besides those folks who support those schools with overflowing trophy cases, do we really want to see the exact same teams at LOS every year? Without the Success Factor system, this year's 4A title game would likely be Dwenger vs Cathedral. Personally, I'm happy to see that Hobart, East Noble & Mt Vernon are all just 1 win away from LOS. And programs like Dwenger & Cathedral still have a legitimate shot at taking home the 5A state trophy-- Dwenger is playing in the Semi State & Cathedral had a 2nd half lead in last week's Regional.
It seems it is much easier for schools with enrollment's close to and/or above 1,000 to compete "up a class" ....maybe that's short-sighted or ignorant but just been my observation.
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10 minutes ago, foxbat said:
Linton would have moved up on enrollment anyway.
Give it another year and Pioneer will likely be back to put some potential balance back into things. Realize that while you are talking about making it smoother, the two years that LCC spent in 2A, , along with Scecina SF'd up to 2A too despite not having a state title win, made the road smoother for Tri-Central, Eastern Hancock, North Vermillion, and Pioneer to make it to 1A state in 2013 and 2014.
This stuff is coming in cycles and you have to look at the totality rather than a single year. In 2013, the first year of LOS-influenced LOS appearances, five made it and three won. In 2014, three made it and one won. In 2015, three made it and three won. In 2016, three made it and three won. In 2017, only two p/p teams made it to LOS and one won. In 2018, only 2 p/p teams made it to LOS and only one won. The trending suggests decrease in p/p appearance for the last five years. The idea of "getting it wrong" has too few data points to make that determination yet and, more importantly, looking at a single season out of six makes this year actually look more like an anomaly or a start of a new cycle as opposed to a decision point for the success or failure of the policy. With that said, I think there's a preponderance of agreement that they length of the cycle should be longer ... perhaps 4 years ... and possibly the criteria for remaining elevated once moved up could also be changed.
I'm just not so sure the answer isn't just scrap the whole dang thing?? I seriously wonder what the date would like like had it not been in place?? Would THAT much of changed?? I know WHY the rule was implemented in the first place, and was done so with good intentions - I'm just not sure it's been the best thing/is working.
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4 hours ago, Impartial_Observer said:
The success factor achieved it’s goal. P/P’s no longer win 4 of the 6 titles.
Sure - but you've got potential for a reemergence this year -
1A-LCC/Lutheran
2A - Andrean
3A- Chatard
4A - Memorial
Seems to me, and this may not be totally accurate/sensible, but letting this thing (Success Factor) run its course it seems really didn't affect P/P all that much. In fact one could argue moving Pioneer/Linton out of 1A, New Pal out of 4A might have made the road that much smoother??
The more I'm watching this thing (Success Factor) play out, the more I'm thinking we got it wrong.
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I know everyone is gearing up for their potential chance at a State Finals birth and it’s the most exciting time of the year- and for good reason. Nothing like punching that ticket to the State Finals. But something I can’t help but shake...and I know I should probably wait to start this topic till the offseason but I just gotta put it out there-
Are we sure this Success Factor is working/is the best thing?? I mean- just look at some of the potential match-ups that would/could have taken place:
1A- Pioneer vs LCC , Linton (unless their enrollment has moved them to 2A permanently?)
2A- SR vs MD...any others I may have missed??
3A- Memorial vs HH and/or Gibson, Chatard maybe in the South again??
4A- New Pal vs Columbus East, Roncolli vs Cathedral??
I guess with my first go around with it- I’m second guessing if it was necessarily the best thing?? I mean- I’m watching kids work their tails off and paying for the successes of classes before them. And then I’m watching teams achieve nearly the same feats but get no penalty because it fell in a different cycle?? In what world is it right for a team to be able to go to back-back State and then remain in the class, but a team can do the exact same thing and get penalized?? What am I missing here guys??
Anyway- feel free to delete this moderators if the discussion takes away from the game talk this weekend...just been something that’s been on my mind so I was throwing it out there.
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Back to the game itself - I just don’t see a way HH doesn’t get it done in this one. The fact that Danville seemed to struggle a bit with VL (weren’t they down at half?) seems to tell me everything I need to know about this one. HH punches their ticket to the Oil Can Friday night and starts to prepare for the monumental task that is Chatard
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1 hour ago, hhpatriot04 said:
All three of my class's losses were to Chatard in semistate 15-0, 14-1 x 3 = 57-3 (undefeated as frosh and two years of JV). So you are preaching to the choir, but I wouldn't trade a red ring for a loss in semistate because I've always been an advocate for:
Sectionals: Coaches seed all the teams, Sagarin used to break ties
Regionals: Reseed based on Sagarin within the semistate (1-8)
Semistate: Neutral field. Reseed the remaining four teams based on Sagarin.
Just my take. It's blue ring or bust from here on out...Like the NCAA Basketball Final Four.
There was never any mystique that Chatard was unbeatable especially after 2004 and the winner of the Danville - HH game shouldn't believe so either.
Didn't mean to imply that Chatard couldn't be beat. I know that not to be true as well...was just curious at to thoughts now that the "big bad wolf" so-to-speak was out of the South and moved North.
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2 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:
Finally. These teams were on collision courses for years but Chatard was in the way. Excited to play a tradition rich school like Danville.
So...I just gotta ask- would you rather square off with Chatard in Semi-State, knowing a trip to State is unlikely, but knocking them off makes a State finals appearance that much more “winnable” and that much sweeter??
Or this way around with Chatard waiting up at State?? Not that the path has been easy...but let’s just say playing all public schools in route to a State Finals birth is pretty unheard of in 1/2/3A ?? (Not that it’s there yet, but assuming hypothetically??)
I don’t mean to damper any excitement or accomplishments, just curious since you brought up this history with Chatard. I’m sure there are plenty of HH teams that would have loved this alignment. (As SR would have if MD somehow magically got moved away lol)
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1 hour ago, Screagle said:
That shadow would still dominate pac teams. What a stupid comment hh04. Be glad we aren’t in 32 or the pac teams would be watching EM vs Lburg tonight. How can a fan talk about a conference when they play in a conference where sos hovers around the 200’s and above. Castle finished where they normally do and Reitz had a down year. North was better and MD, EC and EM are really good teams.
I guess that means MD is probably pretty happy that SR went up due to the success factor??? Let’s not start the SIAC vs PAC thing till offseason when we’re all really bored, come on.
What Chris is simply saying is that when Reitz/Castle are good/strong- it makes the conference that much better. With them being a bit down...kinda takes the “sting” outta the conference a bit.
Which ive always wondered but never really asked...why in the world is Castle not better than they are?? Good lord- you’d think with that enrollment and socioeconomic set up they’d freakin roll??
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58 minutes ago, HereComesTheBoom said:
Well shoot...was planning on trying to attend. Now might just sit at the comforts of home.
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Please...just stop.
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1 hour ago, Fast Eddy 14 said:
Did it occur to you that maybe the AD’s decided this together. Two class programs, I can’t see pettiness between. Disclaimer I didn’t check with the ADs to confirm 😀
I’m gonna go ahead and venture a guess that wasn’t the case.
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1 hour ago, troyfan said:
Dirtyburg is all about stopping that Wing-Bone Running attack! Just ask KFI...
BTW, KFI...good to hear from you! From the description above....sounds alot like your coveted DW!
If Patsy's strength is the Wing-Bone Running attack and the one of the Burg-Boyz strength is stopping it.....it's gonna be fun to watch.
I will say....Patsy best have a loaded D-2nd-ary else they'll find themselves a couple score down....and we all know the Wing-Bone Running attack isn't designed to play catch-up.
STC....I'll see you Saturday afternoon in the Jungle, shouldn't be hard to find you....just need to sniff once or twice for the scent of Connie's and follow the trail....I'll bring you some BLs....but you know I stick with the mash.
I’d be careful trying to compare a 12-0 Patriot squad to a South Dearborn team. Know nothing about SD, but I’d be willing to bet even if the schemes are similar, Lawrenceburg hasn’t seen anything remotely close to the Patriot ground game and just how they operate. Maybe EC would be more similar in terms of physicality of play??
As far as D...you best bet on throwing it around the lot, cause the Patriot run D is one of the best around. I guess since Lawrenceburg’s QB seems to be dynamic that might add another dimension...but if you think you’re just gonna line up and run it up and down the field😕- I’d be shocked if that was the case. A QB that can make plays with his legs might be the best bet to hurt the Patriot D as if they do have a weak spot on D- their pass rush isn’t what I’d call dynamite.
Should be interesting how this one plays out as the winner most likely will be playing Danville for a trip to LOS
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58 minutes ago, hhpatriot04 said:
Just boring old power Wishbone, assignment football. You can't try to blitz or predict against the Wishbone.
1 minute ago, StinkTownClown said:Boney, Bone, Bone 1.2.3.
Stink Town back in the day would run the same thing!
Bone to Left, Bone to the Right, if you don't stop it teams run it all night!
I’d say only about 10% of HH’s offensive sets come out of the Bone. Most of the time- you’re gonna have a 2 Wing set...one in motion most every play. 90% run based offense...some big ol boys touting that rock, and one of the better athletes in Indiana running the controls at the QB position. (Reminds me so much of Winchell when he used to pull the ball out of the FB’s belly and take off)Although I’m not entirely certain if he is playing at 100%...but even still- his 80% is pretty damn good.
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31 minutes ago, tango said:
Visiting team picks the day. Home team picks the time. This could the kind of snarky decision that comes back to bite TC. MD doesn't need any extra motivation. They are always a very motivated team who will play hard for 48 minutes no matter the opponent or the score, but it is certainly the kind of thing that Coach Goebel can use to get ticked off more than usual... As an example, when we played Lawrenceburg in 2018 in Regional, we picked 4pm. It's a courtesy thing IMO. We shall see...
Kind of a busch-league kind of thing for TC to do, in my opinion.
Why are two teams from Southern Indiana in the 3A State Finals this year?
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Go ahead and explain the debacle that was Sectional 30