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So does this mean that “contact tracing” isn’t a thing anymore as long as you test negative?? 

I was wondering to myself how a team with a Power 5 D1 commit QB can be a “darkhorse” 🤔🤔

46 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

Maybe this person doesn't realize that Southridge was bumped up to 3A.   They should check the 3A polls.  I just looked and Southridge is ranked #3 in the AP poll and #4 in the coach's poll.   I did NOT see anything on there that said, "but they have a 2A enrollment".   Pssstttt....Southridge is also rated in the 3A Sagarin ratings.   Nope, nothing on their either that says, "but they have a 2A enrollment".

Geez- I was just making an observation. 

Sorry- Back to my hole I’ll crawl. Good luck to all teams in sectional 40. 

Seeding DOES NOT have to equal a “qualification”’format!!! 

Seeding would just make for a better tourney format- plain and simple. And yes, it will at least give SOME meaning to the regular season. 

“Oh- there is going to be a bunch of first round blowouts between the 1v8 and 2v7”

So what?? There are blowouts every week. 

You’d still have PLENTY of competitive match-ups round one

39 minutes ago, itiswhatitis said:

ALL RECORDS USED IN THIS THREAD ARE THROUGH WEEK 8

 

(4 - 2) North Knox @

(6 - 2) Forrest Park

(1 - 7) South Spencer @

(4 - 4) Mater Dei

(4 - 3) North Posey @ 

(0 - 4) Crawford County

(5 - 3) Linton @

(6 - 1) Tell City

There are a couple of good matchups in this first round,.  I like the North Knox @ Forrest Park game.   I expect it will be a dandy.   North Knox has a strong running attack.   Don't know much about Forrest Park other than their 2 losses are to 2A Tell City and 3A (4 - 2) Mount Vernon.  I also like the Linton @ Tell City game.   Along with Mater Dei, Tell City has to be a favorite.   Even though they came up a couple of points short, they gave 3A Southridge all they wanted.  Linton has had an up and down season, but regardless, they usually get people's attention.   They haven't made a lot of noise in 2A just yet, but knocking off a favorite like Tell City would be a good start.  North Posey has played 3A Southridge, 3A Heritage Hills (Double over time loss by one point), and 2A Tell City.  They are no stranger to good competition, and I believe they will be too much for Crawford County.  The Wolfpack has had it rough for several years now and this year doesn't look to be any different.   They only got to play 4 games on their schedule in this crazy year.  But in those four games, they have been outscored by an average of 56 - 6.  A better match up would have been with South Spencer, but that is the luck of the ping pong balls.  Speaking of South Spencer, they get to travel to Evansville to take on Mater Dei.   Not much can be said about this game.   South Spencer seems to be on the opposite end of the scale from Mater Dei.  Besides, Mater Dei plays one of the tougher schedules in all of 2A so even though South Spencer plays their best game of the year, I believe Mater Dei will have no problem moving into round 2.   Best of Luck and Good Health to all teams.

You do realize that Southridge is still 2A by enrollment, correct?? 

STOP IT!! This always happens every year when seeding gets talked about - the "playoff qualification mafia" shows up and tries to make this a conversation about them - IT IS NOT!! 

We can still let everyone in and seed the darn thing!! 

57 minutes ago, JustRules said:

First, my preference would be a qualifying tournament with seeding. It's the most exciting approach for a tournament.

But I also understand why it hasn't happened yet. The random draw doesn't create any more blowouts than seeding would You can have two 3-win teams playing in the first round while two 8-win teams also play in the first round. Both games could be close. But if the 8-win teams play the 3-win teams both are likely blowouts. The 8-win winner could play the 3-win winner in the sectional final in a blowout, but that's one fewer blowout than the current system. The other reason is most coaches and ADs realize they could be that 2 or 3-win team and hoping to draw another 2 or 3-win team in the first round and inject life into their program with a tournament win.

So your argument AGAINST seeding is it leads to less blowouts?? Ok, tell that to the 8-1 team playing a 9-0 team first round. 

21 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

The unintended consequences of seeding would make the first round of the playoffs redundant to the point where the next logical step is a qualifier. The IHSAA doesn't want that.

If the sectionals were seeded appropriately, 85-90% of the opening round games statewide would result in 50-60 point blowouts. That is the definition of redundant. It's unnecessary and doesn't do anybody any good. The only way the IHSAA today can justify why a team that has gone 0-9 in the regular season surrendering 500+ points is allowed to play again is because of the all-in, blind draw. There's an off-chance that an 0-9 team meets another 0-9 team and a blowout is avoided. 

If you seeded the sectionals, the next and only logical move would be to eliminate the field in half after the end of the regular season. The IHSAA isn't ready for that.

Again - it doesn't HAVE to lead to a qualification. People forget that a 4 v. 5 game, 3 v. 6, heck whatever seeded game can still be very competitive. You act like it will be a week of 60 to whatever scores. It won't. 

What I'm trying to say is - I don't think those are strong enough points to keep from vastly improving our tourney. I really think the IHSAA is just stubborn and "by gawd that's the way we've always done it" (the WORST excuse for anything) 

Don't post much on here. Enjoying reading about different teams/conferences. 

If there is one subject that I would qualify myself as "passionate" about - it is SEEDING the Sectionals. 

I just don't get it (?) as to why they are NOT. I think almost every person I've come across says "Ya, that would make a lot of sense" or "Ya I'd like to see that get done" 

SOOOOOO - what is the IHSAA drawback to it?? What are their reasonings?? 

1. It doesn't have the coaches support?? (I find that hard to believe) 

2. It's going to lead to a qualification process?? (It doesn't HAVE to) 

I've honestly yet to hear a good argument against it.....

"Oh it'd be too hard to figure out if teams don't play each other and/or different conferences" - BOGUS- you can/wrestling coaches do it all the time. 

16 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

I respectfully disagree, because I don't like telling teams you are "competitive enough" to play up but can't really make a true deep run to semi state or state because they won two sectionals.  Making it 3 points is more than just an arbitrary number.  Sectionals are geographically drawn and subject to some weird lines at times.  Take Brownstown and Lawrenceburg for example (I think that is closer to your part of the state?). But they matched up in Semi-state in 2016 and first round of the sectional the next.  Winning sectional in 2017 was a much different animal than 2016 for both of them.  Southridge is currently bumped up to 3A.   A few different lines drawn and they probably win Sectional 30 last year and this year.  As it is, they didn't get out of sectional 32 which was much tougher.  My point is that just based on where the lines are drawn, some sectionals are drastically tougher than others. 

And once schools reach 5A (like New Pal, Columbus East, and Cathedral) those sectionals are only 4 teamers.  I'm not saying you have to win state like New Pal or Evansville Memorial did last year, but 2 straight sectionals is not enough for me to tell the freshmen and sophomores - Your older teammates were "competitive enough" so you have to stay in that class for your junior and senior years.       

You mean VAUNTED Sectional 30 ....what.a.JOKE. 

Imagine the serenity that seeding would bring this time of year.

 Maybe the IHSAA just likes the chaos. 

32 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I don't think it's difficult at all. I just don't think the IHSAA wants to have to answer as to why it's practical to continually allow 50-60 point blowouts statewide year in and year out at the first and second round level of the playoffs. Seeding the sectionals would be the tipping point to a qualification-based system. As it stands now, 50-60 point blowouts can be justified by the "randomness" of the draw. 

And THUS - we'll never get to see seeding happen because of pushes like this. I get that some of you WANT a qualification system - but seeding would be better than the current "blind draw" . I.E. seeding is better than nothing - and I really don't understand why the lack of support for it? 

3 hours ago, Bobref said:

I wonder if the IHSAA considers seeding the tourney as a first step on the “slippery slope” of a tournament qualification system. The inevitable consequence of seeding is those 1 vs. 8 or 1 vs. 7 opening matchups, which will get everyone very familiar with the Mercy Rule, if they aren’t already. Once we have a few years of first round massacres, the IHSAA will realize the futility of those 1st round matchups, and simply eliminate half the field, let everyone play a 10th regular season game, and the tournament will be 5 weeks instead of 6.

I just hope it happens in my lifetime ... but they better get started pretty soon. 🤣

Interesting take- but seeding DOES NOT have to lead to playoff qualification (even though I know that’s been your push for years and IMO- is what is holding seeding back- that and 1/2 of all Coaches want the “dream draw”) 

Wrestling for years has had the 1 v 8 and it doesn’t mean every wrestlers still doesn’t make the tourney. 

7 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Playing devil's advocate here, but I've long said if wrestling coaches can seed hundreds of kids in the sectional for what's debatedly the most exciting state tournament, then why can't football coaches too?

Been preaching that for years (not that anyone listens and/or cares). Lock the HC and AD’s in a room with seeding criteria- ie Head-to-Head, common opponent, etc...AND LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT!! It’s really not that hard- seen it done for years in wrestling rooms across the State. 

It is sheer laziness or unwillingness or the “by God we’ve always done it this way” mentality of the IHSAA that is sooo frustrating. One small change, an hour meeting could make the tourney that much better, and really wouldn’t take anything away from it. 

Rant over

1 hour ago, TigerFan20 said:

MD-Harrison: Expect an blowout, MD, 55-0 

Memorial-VL: 2 surging teams in the SIAC, both going in the same direction. Memorial is coming off an blowout win against Reitz, while VL pulls off an impressive victory against North. This has an potential be an close game. Also Memorial has an chance to disrupt Castle next week, if Castle wins this Friday. Don't get me wrong my fellow Tigers, the Alices are an sneaky team and will give a fight, but the Tigers pull away late in this one. Memorial 28-14 

Reitz-Bosse: This was an close game last season, expect another one in my opinion. Reitz 21-10 

Jasper-North: Oh boy, this will be a fun game to watch. Jasper and North are on an 2 game losing streak as the enter the upper half of their schedules. Though both are 5-2, and still have an decent shot of getting the SIAC. However, only one will be closer. I can see an shootout or an close game, but I am choosing the WildCats in this, Jasper 31-24 

Game of the Week: 

Central-Castle: The biggest game of the week, as Central faces the mighty Castle Knights. Both with outstanding defenses so far in the conference. Coach Hurt has an chance at the SIAC for the first time since 2012. However, Central's offensive is superior to Castle. It will be great one throughout the entire night, but as the clock clicks down to 0.0, the Bears will be the victors in this one, Central 24-14 

So...gotta ask, and apologize if it’s been mentioned somewhere in these SIAC threads...I don’t follow that closely- but peek in from time/time.

Whatever happened to the Evans boys from Central?? 

Last I heard- it was transfer to Princeton, then Illinois, then somewhere else?? 

Have they graduated yet?? 

40 minutes ago, Duke of Denham said:

The show is a fun time for kids and coaches.  I guess we are supposed to refrain from being around each other even though we spend hours together in school and practice.  It's a real bummer that when we finish our practice on Thursday they will have already announced the matchups for our sectional.  I am all for seeding the sectional.  The regular season needs to mean something beyond conference championships and simply preparing for the tournament.  

YUP! Been beating that drum for several years. Having coached wrestling for 12 years - I've seen it can be done. Was it always perfect?? No, but a heckuva lot better than the alternative (blind draws) 

Unfortunately - if it doesn't have the support of coaches - it will never make it to the IHSAA. And sadly, 50% of coaches (estimate) are always gonna like the "blind draw" - cause they could be coaching that 2-7 or 1-8 team that gets the dream draw and makes it all the way to the Championship, only to be drummed by 30. 

2 hours ago, Basementbias said:

I'll start it! #Seed It

YES! Makes too much sense not to. 

I'm so confused by this whole thread! An onside kick, if traveled 10 yards, can be received by the kicking team, correct? 

But you're telling me that if the kick is airborne, (hasn't hit the ground yet), then it can't be recovered by the kicking team? 

I could see where some confusion may happen. 

11 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Boonville big in this one...even without #74.

Not so fast my friend (in my best Lee Corso) 

This game is one of the more intriguing match-ups this week I believe. Having scouted both...I think it’s pretty close to a toss-up..from what I’ve seen- I may give the edge to Linton. 

5 hours ago, hhpatriot04 said:

Yes and I'd predict another sectional championship this year, no offense to TC or Linton. Coach Goebel knows how to play with the cards he's dealt by Week 10 knows when to play them. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Tell City win a sectional. It would do wonders for the community, but if being the favorite for a sectional title means "gone south" then you're right.

2 hours ago, itiswhatitis said:

Not so fast my friend.  MD plays one of the tougher schedules in all of 2A every year.  They play ZERO 1A or 2A teams.  Their schedule is all 3, 4, and 5A teams and several of them are top programs.  Even if it's a rebuilding year, I would never count them out especially in the tournament.  Don't look at their record and assume they went "south".  

Success Factor has been their friend in that regard. 

1 minute ago, Titan32 said:

My guess is that 99.9% of kids contact traced out due to class room contact with masks on for 50 minutes will NOT get COVID-19.  Why they can't get a test after 5 days to get back into school is just nuts.

STUPIDEST.DECISION.EVER. 

"I feel completely FINE. Have had NO SYMPTOMS, have tested NEGATIVE (twice) - yet you're telling me I still need to sit out 3 weeks my senior season??? Coach I feel FINE. " (tears in his eyes)

Yes, that's a conversation I've had to have this season...more than once. 

STUPID. 

10 hours ago, Mockstangboyz said:

Bville vs GS will be very interesting imo if Bville comes out like they did the 2nd half of the HH game last week. 

 

IMO - Gibson has very little problem with Boonville. Mockabee is legit, but Gibson will have too much. GS by 21 or more...

5 hours ago, Titan32 said:

1 freshman football player involved.  This is GSHS only...not the elementary/middle schools.  It is only to buy some time for contact tracing around a couple positives in the building.

Shut down the ENTIRE building because of a “couple positives in the building??” 

Geez...seems like a bit of an overreach. We’ve had our run-ins, but never thought of shutting down. 

1 hour ago, Alduflux said:

Really?  If this were true you would be playing in the "big" division. 

From where we sit- there’s not much difference in the 2. We just went where our enrollment put us. We’re still playing Gibson, HH ...we’d still be playing Jasper if they hadn’t jumped ship. 

You really think we were scared of the likes of Princeton, Washington, and whoever else makes up the big school conference. 

Give me a break...

My fault. Should have just kept my trap shut. 

I will say - in response to the low blow comment about Pike Central and “small school division” ...the big school/small school thing was a SOLUTION to the Big 8 “leftover” teams. 

I was never personally in favor of it- but it did allow some teams to alter/change their schedule as they saw fit. 

If you think anyone’s gonna be pounding their chest because of a small school conference championship- well then you’re dreaming. We have always set our sights much higher- hence being the only school besides Memorial to be playing UP a class due to the success factor. 

MD can thank us later for their 2 sectional trophies (assuming they win this year) while we’re not there. 

How do I say this politely without causing a s&@$t storm?? Perhaps the vaunted SIAC is - how do you say...not as “vaunted”?? 

Jasper comes in and has a legit shot to claim the conference crown...😕

Memorial is experiencing a turnover after some great years

MD...well...let’s just say the success factor has benefited them moving Southridge out of their way. 

Central ...I guess they’re pretty good?? 

Now North has became the top dog?? 

Too bad sectionals USED to let all these arguments play themselves out- but not so much anymore...