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The foremost point of the ball at the time the receiver possesses it would be the spot here, since the receiver was contacted right at the time of the catch, and driven back. Here, it looks like between the 15 and 14 yd. lines.

It says they were stupid for cheating when they didn’t have to.

Why? He has a legitimate shot at the big prize this year, which would only enhance his bargaining power with the NFL. And the NFL people will care less if the NCAA says he broke their stupid rules.

With Knox at home, they are about an 8-9 pt. favorite, according to Sagarin.

That’s just good coaching. I officiated a game where a highly regarded coach decided a 6 pt. victory over a winless opponent was not good enough, and scored a TD with less than a minute remaining to go up by 13, instead of kneeling it out. Subsequent kickoff returned for a TD, followed by recovered onside kick and completed Hail Mary for the TD that won it. Turned a 6 pt. victory into a 1 pt. loss. It happens.

At this point, the only question seems to be whose heads are going to roll. https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-tcu-knew-of-michigans-sign-stealing-scheme-prior-to-cfp-game-used-dummy-signals-to-dupe-wolverines-224848698.html Sources: TCU knew of Michigan's sign-stealing scheme prior to CFP game, used 'dummy signals' to dupe Wolverines During TCU’s game against Michigan in last year’s College Football Playoff semifinal, trickery was afoot. TCU coaches, having gained information on Michigan’s elaborate sign-stealing scheme, changed many of their play-call signals before kickoff. However, head coach Sonny Dykes and the Horned Frogs staff had grander ideas than just changing signals. They pulled a fast one on the Wolverines. They mixed in new play-call signals with old ones, using what one TCU staff member described as “dummy signals” in an effort to trick the UM staff. The dummy signals were old play-calls that had since been changed. Players were told to ignore the dummy signals and run the original play as called with the new signals. “Sometimes we froze a play before the snap,” said one TCU coach. “We’d call a play and then we’d signal in another play with an old signal but we told players to run the original play.” TCU, a 7.5-point underdog, beat Michigan 51-45 in that semifinal clash in the Fiesta Bowl, stunning much of the college football world in a victory that propelled Dykes’ team to the national championship game against Georgia. The Horned Frogs lost that game, 65-7, but their semifinal victory stands as one of the more incredible upsets in the history of the College Football Playoff — and, now, serves as another wrinkle in what’s evolved into the college game’s version of Deflategate. A week into the saga, most know the details by now: A now-suspended Michigan analyst, Connor Stalions, purchased tickets to more than 40 college football games in an effort to record opponents’ signals in what has been unearthed as an elaborate, three-year scheme that has rocked the sport. In news first reported by Yahoo Sports last Thursday, the NCAA is investigating the program for a violation of the association’s rules around in-person scouting. Over the last seven days, more news connected to the case has trickled out from various media outlets. Most recently, the Washington Post reported Wednesday that an outside investigative firm first tipped off the NCAA last week to Michigan’s sign-stealing scheme, presenting officials with documents uncovered from computers maintained and accessed by UM coaches that outlined the system, including travel schedules and expenses for future trips. On Thursday, the Associated Press reported that NCAA investigators were on campus at Michigan gathering information for the probe. No evidence has emerged either implicating coach Jim Harbaugh directly or showing he had knowledge of Michigan's in-person scouting operation, sources tell Yahoo Sports. The NCAA investigation is still ongoing. The breadth of the scheme appears to be massive. Stalions purchased tickets to games at 12 of 13 Big Ten schools for a total of 30 games, according to a Monday report from ESPN. At least one of the schools produced in-stadium surveillance video of someone recording the sideline in the seat Stalions booked. He also purchased tickets to games involving CFP contenders like Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, Alabama and Clemson, as well as the last two SEC championship games, Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday. In one instance, Stalions bought a ticket to Tennessee’s game against Kentucky last season in view of the Volunteers’ sideline. Three minutes after the purchase, he transferred the ticket, presumably, to an associate or friend designated to record the game. At TCU, the school has found no evidence that Stalions purchased a ticket to a home game last season, but there were ample opportunities to record the Horned Frogs in road games or in the Big 12 championship against Kansas State. Not long after the CFP unveiled the 2022 semifinal matchups — Georgia vs. Ohio State and TCU vs. Michigan — the Horned Frogs staff began receiving phone calls from coaches across the country about what was a well-known fact in the Big Ten coaching community: that Michigan had an elaborate sign-stealing system. Many of those on the TCU staff were unaware before the calls. Coaches from several Big Ten schools, including Ohio State, informed TCU coaches of the scheme. “Literally everybody we talked to knew,” said one TCU coach. “They’d say, ‘Just so you know, they steal your signals and they’re going to have everything so you better change them.’” One coach told the staff that Michigan “has the most elaborate signal-stealing in the history of the world.” TCU changed some of the signals. More interesting, though, is that they purposely used the old signals to trick the Wolverines — a move not-so-surprising given the savvy nature of their head coach. Dykes is a protégé of Mike Leach, a coach known for poking fun at those who steal signals. In one game while coach at Washington State, Leach learned that the coach of his team’s next opponent, Arizona State's Todd Graham, was notorious for stealing signals. During the game against ASU, Leach aggressively flashed signals toward Graham in a hilarious moment that’s made the rounds on social media over the last few days. Plenty of folks see much of Leach in Dykes. And so why not give the Wolverines some of their own medicine? Dykes and staff crafted a game plan that, at least in part, used the dummy signals to fool coach Harbaugh and signaler Stalions. TCU scored first-half touchdowns on drives of 10 plays for 83 yards and 12 plays for 76 yards. The Frogs scored more points on Michigan than any team that season (51), eclipsing the next highest scoring opponent by 24 points. “The guy [Stalions] was wrong a couple of times,” one TCU staff member said. “We rewatched the TV version of the game. You can see him standing next to the defensive coordinator. He tells something to the coordinator and he points in the air to mean pass. You can see the playsheet he’s holding with our hand signs on them.” TCU did a variety of measures to avoid the issue beyond changing some signs. The staff purposely signaled in plays late as to not leave enough time for Stalions to relay the signal to coaches. “There are some times in the game that they still got us,” a TCU staff member said, “especially on short-yardage.” Signal-stealing is not against NCAA rules. However, the association prohibits coaches or staff members scouting games of upcoming opponents in person — a near 30-year-old rule. Stealing an opponent’s signals during a game or from the television broadcast is not against NCAA rules. In fact, it’s quite common in college football. Through history, plenty of opposing coaches have been caught by rival schools scouting games, spring games or practices, yet many of them go unpublicized and are quietly dealt with by the NCAA. The Michigan case represents the largest scale sign-stealing scheme ever publicized in the recent history of college sports. It’s no surprise that the system eventually leaked because of its sheer size and foolish moves. Stalions bought tickets in his own name and Michigan staff members used large white playsheets during games on the sideline that showed the opposing team’s hand signals in black — still shots of which have made their way across the internet. Big Ten coaches caught on long ago. As Yahoo Sports reported last week, news of the sign-stealing spread enough that multiple Michigan opponents this season dropped their signaling and used wristbands for much of the offensive play-calling during the game against the Wolverines. “We heard they had a guy pick plays pretty good and had all this information from not your typical ways of getting the signals,” a Big Ten staff member said. “We get into the game and it’s the second quarter. I see him across the field and he’s checking his 11x17 sheet.” The sign-stealing dates back to at least 2021, according to sources. The Wolverines have won 33 of their last 36 games dating back to that season. Michigan is 8-0 and ranked No. 2 this season and is on a bye this week before a home game against Purdue on Nov. 4. A timeline for the NCAA’s investigation is unclear. It only started last week. NCAA inquiries such as this often extend months, if not years, and feature an even

Whether there was any wrongdoing on Harbaugh’s part or not, is one of the likely consequences of the negative publicity and hassle of investigation Harbaugh to the NFL next season?

Or his pathology. Same difference.

Once again … I find myself at a loss for words.

No.

There is no explicit “uncatchable” exception in the NF code as appears in the rules at other levels. Some people - even a few officials - believe that this means you should call DPI on a ball that is clearly not catchable. Nothing could be further from the truth. The prohibition against pass interference is designed to give the receiver an unimpeded opportunity to catch the football. If he can’t catch it because it’s overthrown, or out of bounds, then he has not been deprived of that opportunity. Pass interference should not be called when the pass is uncatchable.

Plenty of blame to go around, which is usually the case when things get screwed up. The R should not have blown the whistle. The LaVille QB should have taken a knee when he told the R he was going to. Andrean coaching staff should have known the correct down. It’s high school football.

Did some investigating and watched the Hudl video. Here’s what happened in the last couple minutes of the Andrean - LaVille game: LaVille recovered Andrean onside kick, and had 1st down with 1:35 remaining. On the 1st play, the QB takes a knee immediately. On 2nd down, the Referee blows an inadvertent whistle. This was caused by the LaVille QB telling the R he was going to take a knee, and then taking the snap and backpedaling several steps before he goes down. This is a bad mistake, no doubt, but under the circumstances, somewhat understandable. But it happens, and any official who tells you they’ve never had an IW is probably lying. LaVille elects to replay the down. So, it’s 2nd down, but Andrean thinks the down counts and it’s 3rd down. This, despite the fact that the officials verbally instructed the box man that it was 2nd down, not 3rd, and the downs marker, which is on the Andrean sideline, is changed to 2nd down. Andrean apparently does not appreciate this. LaVille does another kneel down, then takes a delay penalty. On 3rd down, the LaVille QB runs around a little and then goes down. He does the same thing on 4th down, and runs out the clock. From my review of the sequence of events, it’s apparent that nothing that the officials did affected the outcome. The crew’s performance over the final 1:35 was not optimal, but the real trouble started when LaVille said they were taking a knee, and did not go down immediately from “Victory” formation(after doing just that on 1st down). This led to the IW, which, in turn caused Andrean to lose count of the downs, despite what the officials said, and what was displayed on the downs marker.

Sparty is a true dumpster fire. It will be interesting to see how that coaching situation shakes out.

I’d say the evidence is more than circumstantial. 🤣😂😅

Standard practice when the QB tells you he’s going to take a knee is to tell him “Do it immediately and hand me the ball, or I can’t protect you.”

Eagles have their starting QB back, and head into the playoffs riding the momentum of a 14-7 win on the road at [previously] Ohio #1 ranked Archbishop Hoban. They finish 9-1, only a 2 pt. loss at 10-0 Massillon Washington when they had to go with the backup QB marred their record. Now, on in search of the three-peat.

If the “tip” occurs after the contact that is judged to be interference, strictly speaking, it is theoretically possible to still have DPI. But keep in mind one of the elements of pass interference is that the receiver is prevented from making a play on the ball by the interference. If the “tip” causes the ball to be off target so the receiver could not have made a play on it even without the interference, it’s no foul. Also keep in mind that defensive PI restrictions do not begin until the pass is in the air.

That is exactly what happens most of the time. The offense notifies the officials that they are taking a knee. The officials let the defense know, in order to minimize the possibility of unsportsmanlike acts. There is even a specific procedure in the officials’ manual on dealing with Victory formation.

Ironic, isn’t it, that you’re criticizing the officiating crew for poor communication? 😂🤣😅

“Well let’s start with the refs weren’t not good..” “it’s a reply of 2nd down” “Laville takes another kneel“ “Andrean then runs our field goal“ “Andrean goes ape shit because didn’t understand as refs didn’t horrible job of last 1:35 of game“ If the referees were no better than the gibberish you wrote, they must have been very bad, indeed, Mr. Member.

Pioneer answers. Pioneer 8 North Judson 6. 11:57 of the 2nd.

North Judson strikes first. 6-0 over Pioneer. 4:37 of the 1st.

Elmer Layden was a long time figure in the insurance business in The Region,

Perhaps more trouble? https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38696639/ncaa-investigating-no-2-michigan-amid-sign-stealing-allegations NCAA investigating No. 2 Michigan amid sign-stealing allegations The NCAA is investigating the No. 2 Michigan Wolverines football program amid allegations of sign stealing, the school announced Thursday. "I want to personally assure you that U-M Athletics will offer its complete cooperation to the NCAA in this matter," athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement. "At the University of Michigan, all of us are committed to the highest standards of ethics and integrity for all members of our community. This is the same expectation I have of all coaches, staff, and student-athletes." The University of Michigan and the Big Ten were both notified by the NCAA of the investigation Wednesday, and the conference said it had notified the Wolverines' future opponents. "The Big Ten Conference considers the integrity of competition to be of utmost importance and will continue to monitor the investigation," it said in a statement. A source told ESPN's Adam Rittenberg that the NCAA's investigation also includes allegations of similar violations by Michigan before the 2022 season. Upcoming opponents have not expressed opposition to playing Michigan after being notified by the NCAA, sources told ESPN. The NCAA does not have rules specifically against stealing signs but does prohibit in-person advance scouting of opponents and has bylaws prohibiting unsportsmanlike activities. According to a report by Yahoo Sports, Michigan allegedly had people attending games of future opponents as well as possible College Football Playoff opponents to gather information on signs used to call plays on offense and defense. A source confirmed to ESPN that in-person scouting is the focus of the NCAA investigation. If true, the Wolverines would have violated NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." U.S. Integrity, a Las Vegas firm that monitors the betting market, sent out an alert to its sportsbook clients regarding the Michigan controversy Thursday, ESPN confirmed. Multiple Big Ten coaches this offseason were advocates of exploring helmet communication as a way to generally better protect signs, a source told ESPN's Pete Thamel. Potential NCAA rule changes, however, were tabled until after this season. The NFL has long used helmet communication for signals, with the first version limited to sideline communication in 1994. Michigan (7-0) plays Michigan State on Saturday. "We are chagrined by the news of the NCAA investigation and we echo the Big Ten Conference's commitment to integrity," Michigan State University interim president Teresa Woodruff said in a statement. "The allegations are concerning, but will be handled through the NCAA's processes." In its statement, Michigan said the investigation would not impact the game. Wolverines coach Jim Harbaugh has already served a university-imposed three-game suspension this season stemming from alleged recruiting violations during the COVID-19 dead period and for not cooperating with NCAA investigators. Michigan still is facing four Level II violations, which are considered less serious, from those alleged violations. That ruling from the NCAA is not expected until 2024.