Bobref

There it is! It’s officially the start of the high school football season.

I agree wholeheartedly. But I freely confess I have no ready answer. Not sure there is one. Perhaps the thought is to try to limit the number of cases to the greatest extent possible in the hopes of development of a vaccine or more effective treatment for the vulnerable demographic.

If you think I was comparing rape to a viral illness, you are simply mistaken. I was comparing the attitude of those who view infection as inevitable with the General’s attitude toward an inevitable rape. The comparison was to the attitude toward an inevitable, but bad, experience. My bad for being unclear.

Interesting. Many, many people (by no means just here on the GID) seem to have the viewpoint “there’s no vaccine, so SARS-CoV-2 will inevitably go through the entire population. Might as well get it over with.” Reminds me of the Bobby Knight quote about rape: I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it. You don’t see many groups of 30 kids if left to their own devices. Organized sports activities expand the opportunities for virus transmission exponentially. No one can really deny that.

The problem is not so much with the kids. A healthy teenager is unlikely to get seriously ill, although it certainly has happened. The problem is when they leave the locker room and go home and spend time with their parents, siblings, and friends. The more people with COVID-19, the greater chance it’ll get to the immune-compromised, diabetics, the elderly.

Link so we can contribute?

Bite your tongue.

Extending an olive branch to @DannEllenwood, @Howe, and @Temptation. Life is too short. FBI Hires Top-Rated Italian Bodyguard Hiluigi Clintonelli To Protect Ghislaine Maxwell July 2nd, 2020 884.3kShares 683.4kSHARE 91.6kSHARE SHARE BRADFORD, NH—Following the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell for sex abuse charges, the FBI is taking no chances in keeping her safe while she awaits trial. Sparing no expense, the FBI has hired top-notch Italian bodyguard Hiluigi Clintonelli. “It's-a me, Clintonelli!” said the world-renowned bodyguard arriving at the prison. Thanks to the particularly glowing reviews from high-profile individuals such as President Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew, all federal prison security checks were waived for Hiluigi. “There’s simply no one else that we trust to execute this job as she can.” “Mamma mia, this simply will not do!” exclaimed Hiluigi Clintonelli as she forcefully cleared the room. She warned that anyone other than her could be a threat to Ghislaine’s life. Clintonelli also connected all camera feeds to her personal server to ensure that all recorded video was properly secured.

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

Isn’t that another worthy objective? Pretty sure there’s medication you can take to address that paranoia.

That was a worthy objective. But it’s not the only one.

I don’t know if it’s stylish ... but it’s certainly a style. I’d call it “1980s pimp.”

Uh-oh. https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-travel-order-emergency-quarantine-update/6294458/ SHARE: CHICAGO (WLS) -- Anyone traveling to Chicago from states that have seen a surge in COVID-19 cases will have to self-quarantine for two weeks, starting Monday. The order takes effect on Monday, July 6, for travelers from the following states: -Alabama -Arkansas -Arizona -California -Florida -Georgia -Idaho -Louisiana -Mississippi -North Carolina -Nevada -South Carolina -Tennessee -Texas -Utah Chicago leaders announced the order on Thursday. "These are states that are seeing new cases of COVID at the rate we were seeing here in Chicago and Illinois back when we were under our stay-at-home order," said Chicago Department of Public Health Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady. There are exceptions to the order, including essential work and medical travel. WATCH: Chicago's top doctor discusses potential travel order Those traveling into Chicago from other states will not yet be required to quarantine themselves, Dr. Allison Arwady said Wednesday. Speaking to ABC7 on Wednesday, Chicago's public health commissioner hinted this could be coming. "We've been looking at other states that have done this," Dr. Allison Arwady said. "We definitely are considering it, I would say considering it strongly. It's important if we're thinking of doing this that we're doing this to do it in a way that's consistent as it can be I think with other places that have made that decision." According to the Chicago Department of Public Health, the states designated in the travel order have a significant degree of community-wide spread of COVID-19. A state will be designated if it has a case rate greater than 15 new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 resident population, per day, over a 7-day rolling average. Essential workers who must travel to Chicago must provide a certified note from their employer so that it can be reviewed by the health department and Chicago police. Essential workers will be subject to requirements that include limiting their activities to work-related activities and avoiding public spaces as much as possible. Non-essential business travelers are also required to comply. Exceptions to the order for personal travel will be permitted for medical care and parental shared custody. Back in May, Chicago health officials reported more than 1,000 cases and 50 deaths per day. Now the city is seeing well under 200 cases and about eight deaths per day. For Aurora resident Kim Schulz, she said even though the order doesn't apply to her family's upcoming Florida trip, they plan to minimize their exposure when they come back for the safety of others. "I think that we'll probably be a little bit more cautious, plus I have grand babies so you know, we got to be really careful around them too," Schulz said. WATCH: Illinois COVID-19 cases flattening as other states see surges To avoid an uptick like other states, Illinois and Chicago health officials warn that it's really a matter of personal responsibility, rather than policy, right now. The president of the Illinois Restaurant Association is optimistic business won't immediately suffer. "Our neighboring states are not on the list," said Sam Toia, president and CEO of the Illinois Restaurant Association. "If our neighboring states do get put on the list, it could make it a little tougher for the hospitality industry here in the city of Chicago." If family and friends are coming to visit, family members who did not travel from a designated state are not required to self-quarantine. "If people are coming to visit you from Chicago, you really want to make them aware of this," said Clint Henderson, a travel expert and senior news editor for The Points Guy. "The airlines and hotels have been very flexible in the age of coronavirus, so have them call their airline, have them call their hotel and ask them what their policies are. Most of the time they are able to get their money back if they have to cancel their trip." The order will remain in effect until further notice. The city said that individuals found in violation of the quarantine order are subject to fines of $100 - $500 per day, up to $7,000. You can read the full emergency travel order and find frequently asked questions about the order on the Chicago Department of Public Health website.

I applaud any answer that employs Latin.

I’m not sure what a “gotcha” question is. But from context, I’m guessing it’s a question which, if answered, will reveal the illogic of the type of thinking you are exhibiting here.

You just like the way he dresses.

Here’s a shout out to all those freedom loving guys who are taking a stand against wearing masks.

@DannEllenwood, serious question. How is the below different from what you are advocating?

Dann, it is no sin to be ignorant. That simply means uninformed on a particular topic. There are a lot of subjects on which I am ignorant, because I simply don’t have the knowledge. Ignorant does not mean stupid. ”Willful“ ignorance, on the other hand, is something else.

Yeah, I couldn’t post next week’s links yet. You asked for the science. I provided it. Where’s yours? ... That’s what I thought. Your opinion, like those of some other frequent fliers on here, is driven by your personal desires and your personal politics. Not by science ... or logic. They say misery loves company. I guess ignorance does, too.

How many references do you want? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172200.htm https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/16/mask-covid http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html I can list as many more as you need to get it through your head that masking works. Now, in return, how about a list of scientific references from you supporting the notion that the best way to address the threat posed by SARS-CoV-2 is just to make sure everyone gets the disease? I’ll sit down and wait for your answer.

I believe the climate today is quite different than it was back then. The NFL obviously believes that, too.

So what does this do to the planned restart of high school football? https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/face-masks-to-be-mandatory-in-marion-county-beginning-july-9?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=2020-07-02 Face masks to be mandatory in Marion County beginning July 9 July 2, 2020 | Samm Quinn, Indianapolis Business Journal KEYWORDS CORONAVIRUS / DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH / GOV. ERIC HOLCOMB / HEALTH CARE / INDIANAPOLIS / LAW & POLITICS / LOCAL GOVERNMENT / MARION COUNTY / POLITICS / PUBLIC HEALTH COMMENTS PRINT Indianapolis Mayor Joe Hogsett and Marion County Public Health Department officials said Thursday that they’re mandating that face masks be worn in public in Marion County. Beginning July 9, face coverings will be required to be worn in indoor places where the public gathers, such as in office buildings and retail stores. They’ll also be required outdoors when it’s not possible to socially distance. The mandate comes as Marion County prepares to enter Stage 4.5 of the state’s Back on Track plan, announced by Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday. The state is strongly recommending — but not mandating — Hoosiers wear masks and has launched a marketing campaign aimed at encouraging face coverings. As part of the new public health order, events larger than 1,000 people will be required to submit a health and safety plan to the Marion County Public Health Department for approval. Nursing homes and assisted living facilities will remain closed to visitors, and overnight camps will not be allowed. “This isn’t complicated. It’s a piece of cloth. It’s a piece of cloth that could save your life and the lives of those around you, and it’s the right thing to do,” Hogsett said.

I think your point would have more weight ... if our society weren’t so mobile. The absence of any borders except lines on a map cries out for more uniformity than individuality in any solution. The virus doesn’t read maps.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.