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13 hours ago, BTF said:

There's not ten other coaches who could win if they had the talent of those two programs?

Duh. They create the talent. This isn’t hard. Dabo and Saban two best coaches in America by far.

13 hours ago, BTF said:

Notre Dame ranks 12th in talent, yet has the 5th best program in the country. That speaks volumes for what Kelly has done as a coach and is why he will be successful at LSU. 

Agreed.

1 hour ago, BTF said:

Notre Dame's facilities rival any program. Notre Dame's history/tradition exceeds anyone's. Notre Dame's recruiting base spans 50 states.

Notre Dame may recruit kids from all over the country, but they can't walk in to any state and grab whatever kid they want. There's two programs who can do that currently; Alabama and Ohio State. Georgia has done a marvelous job the last 3-4 years of keeping their 5* talent home and not letting them go to Bama or Florida and actually have the most 5* of any program in the country. It's not a coincidence as to why they are the best team in the country right now. 

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

38 minutes ago, DE said:

Going off your factors above are why I chose Alabama and Clemson. 

Alabama enjoys the recruiting base they do now for one reason; Nick Saban. Geographically, Alabama is the 4th or 5th best state in SEC country in terms of high school talent. They have an in-state conference rival that also recruits very well. Alabama went through 4 coaches in 11 years before hiring Saban and won just one national title between Bear Bryant and Saban (30 years). Alabama is without a doubt the best program in the country right now and that's because of Nick Saban. Will be interesting to see how Alabama holds up post-Saban. Last college program that resembled anything close to the Alabama dynasty was UCLA under Wooden. They fell hard after he retired. 

28 minutes ago, BTF said:

As I said in an earlier post. Ten teams could make the claim. 

Bama and Clemson have the two best coaches in America by far. They can overcome the inherent advantages other schools have because of their staff.

Bama will survive post-Saban (probably because they'll hire Dabo), but they aren't going to be the juggernaut they are today. Dabo is Clemson. They will fall significantly once Dabo leaves. May not be for a while, but they aren't going to be able to sustain the last 5-6 years. Hell, they may already be on the down swing. 

23 minutes ago, BTF said:

Alabama was the only SEC program to qualify as Notre Dame's whipping boy. Kelly played Georgia twice and both games went right down to the wire. Kelly had a recent win against LSU in a bowl game. That's just going off the top of my head. I don't have time to put in the research right now. I'm not sure Georgia has done anything more than Notre Dame since Kelly has been head coach. Make a case for the Bulldogs being "living proof."

 

Georgia lost in OT 3 years ago in the national title game and will be a two TD favorite against any CFB opponent they face next month. Barring the team forgetting to get off the bus, they will be your next college football champion. 

18 minutes ago, BTF said:

I understand full well how good of a coach Brian Kelly is. He will get his championship at LSU. But the chance of Notre Dame getting one first in the next three years is higher than LSU. 

BK is a good coach. However, people have been pointing at his character flaws for 12 years now. I turned a blind eye to them as he continued to put winning football teams on the field. I'm now seeing those flaws myself. A guy like Brian Kelly leaving Notre Dame doesn't prove that Notre Dame isn't one of the Top 5 jobs in the country. Try another factor, like recruiting restrictions. 

He's literally the winningest coach in ND football history and was still a whipping boy to the SEC programs/Clemson. College football today is all about the Jimmies and Joe's. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State are living proof of that. 

24 minutes ago, DE said:

Alabama or Clemson

There's no way Clemson is a top 5 job in the country. Again, confusing program for job. 

21 minutes ago, BTF said:

How is Alabama not on this list?

Notre Dame's facilities rival any program. Notre Dame's history/tradition exceeds anyone's. Notre Dame's recruiting base spans 50 states. And..............it's Notre Dame. Top 5 program if you ask me............I'm not afraid of being a homer. One could argue that Notre Dames limitations on recruiting bumps them out of the Top 5, I don't deny that. 

I said job, not program. Saban is Alabama. Does anyone not remember the 4 coaches Bama hired before Saban? Alabama high school talent isn;t on par with Florida, Georgia, or Louisiana and they have another major in-state conference opponent to compete with. 

Same thing with Notre Dame. People don't realize just how good of a coach Brian Kelly actually is. I'd agree that Notre Dame may be the most rewarding job, but it's definitely not one of the top 5 jobs in college football. Their coach just left for LSU.....

27 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

I used to be of this mind, but there's enough smoke that I think there might be something here. I wouldn't think anything's imminent, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Well then...looks like in a few years we can legitimately have a discussion about the HCC finally taking over the MIC in football 🤣

22 minutes ago, foxbat said:

I kind of figured that, but was just curious more about the gate item than anything else.  I think you are right that Cathedral has more flexibility as an independent and more opportunities for cross-state play with OH and KY than if they were tied to the MIC.  I also suspect they like having the game with Chatard as well as, as you've mentioned, a chance to renew with Roncalli.  Those things would likely fall by the wayside if they joined the MIC.  I'd also venture a guess that, if an opening did appear on Cathedral's schedule, even without joining the MIC, they might get one or two of those MIC teams to consider a home-and-home two-year deal every once in a while.

Agreed. I don't really need to see Cathedral play NC, Pike, Lawrence, etc every year for it to makes to make a move. I hope CG stays on the schedule and then a rotation with BD/Carmel/WC. Those match-ups are good for Indiana High School football.

20 minutes ago, FridayNightLights said:

When is it expected that CG and Carmel try to make the move to the HCC?

It's not. It would have happened by now.

But we insist on having a yearly discussion about it to keep the tradition alive. 

19 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Would Cathedral strike a deal to play "all away" if they entered the MIC ... at least for football?  MIC may not want to play at Arlington, but I suspect that home gates would increase at the various MIC schools when Cathedral came to town.

Personally don't think Cathedral needs the MIC anymore. Cathedral embraces the independent tag and freedom that comes with scheduling. 10-15, 20 years ago Cathedral was still playing teams like Broad Ripple, Arlington, Tech, Northwest, etc because they couldn't find consistent opponents. Cathedral today has a decent rotation with OH GCL schools, MIC/HCC here in town, Roncalli is due back on the schedule, and then of course the annual game with Chatard. 

3 hours ago, Whiting89 said:

Is it an admission problem or are the majors too hard for players that barely qualify?

Admissions.

Notre Dame just isn't going to take a flight risk on a kid they don't think can graduate. 

I believe these are the most important factors that go into best job in the country:

-Recruiting base

-Competition in said recruiting base

-Resources/budget/facilities

-Path to national title (conference/division)

-miscellaneous items such as history/tradition/

Thought long and heard about this and in my opinion the top 5 jobs in college football (remember this is job only, not current program standing)

1. Georgia-Georgia produces tremendous football talent; flagship university in-state with no conference rival; Georgia Tech only P5 competition but don't directly compete with recruits. Georgia is the one SEC program who in the last 5 years have gone toe to toe in recruiting with Saban.

2. USC-Located in one of the largest metropolitan areas in the world and access to a huge local recruiting network; Great history and tradition. Doesn't have any direct competition for local recruits among elite college football programs. Weaker conference sets up for easier path to CFB

3. Ohio State-largest and most passionate fan base in the country; storied tradition; have the ability to recruit nationally as well as being the premier football program above the mason-dixon line

4. Florida-On paper hard to argue against it being the best job; Flagship university in the best state for high school talent. Only drawback is competing directly with in-state schools like Miami and FSU as well the other elite SEC schools looking to poach Florida talent

5. Texas- program has been a disaster since they forced Mack Brown into retirement but you won't convince me that Texas can't be an elite program with the right coach; Endless resources and deep pockets galore in Austin, huge recruiting base, etc

1 hour ago, US31 said:

I was just going to mention Cathedral....no idea if Cathedral would want that.  But they'd be the interesting choice.

Was told Cathedral didn't have adequate enough facilities last time they asked about entry. Not sure if there was any truth to that but just what I've always known to be the case. 10 or so years ago sounded a lot more appealing that it does now. Cathedral really used to struggle with scheduling.

18 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I know the name of the award. But who does the voting??? Who actually determines the outcome?? 

The coaches do.

And I’m sure there’s zero undue influence or pressure by the organization that sponsors the award….Yeah. Freakin. Right.

Over the years this has been an Indy dominated award typically won by a player in the largest class. 

58 minutes ago, Grover said:

I don't know about geography but only 4 of the last 10 recipients were from the largest class.  

Oh come on. The award is known to have bias towards metro Indy/largest class.

More than half the winners all hail from Metro Indy and 13/29 winners have all come from the largest class (either then 5A or 6A). Yes there have been winners from smaller classes, butthe largest class has a huge disproportionate amount of winners.

24 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

I thought the IFCA awards Mr. Football...not the IndyStar

https://usatodayhss.com/2019/indiana-football-coaches-association-to-make-change-to-mr-football-voting-process

Metro Indy (Marion and donut counties) have won 15 of the 29 Mr. Footballs since 1992.  

Keep in mind, he didn't play a ton in the second half of most games given the margin of victory in a running clock era.....

That's another reason pure stats don't always tell the story

It's the Indianapolis Star Mr. Football award....

18 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Twice is not much.....

The fact that a Center Grove player won last year won't make a lick of a difference. The IndyStar loves giving the award to a large class player from Metro Indy. 

27 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

Caden Curry is the Best Football player in Indiana on the Best Team in Indiana.... therefore should be a no brainer for Mr. Football.  While The Purdue commit is a fantastic talent, 3A... ain't 6A, therefore credit should be given where credit is due. I'd say Max Webster and Tayven Jackson are above him on the list for this Mr. Football award.  Leading his team to a 3A championship once, isn't the same as Tayven and Max leading their teams in the highest class BACK to BACK years.  That is legit!!  Congrats to Brady and good luck at Purdue!!  But Sorry, no case for Mr. Football. #TRUTH

I liked you better when you were in your post-Roncalli collapse hole. 

On 11/30/2021 at 8:49 PM, Yuccaguy said:

 

 

Perhaps if you were an IFOA Member @Major you would have seen the HISTORY of this crew.   Since you knew NOTHING about them....

A 5A State Championship Assignment, (2) 6A State Championship Games.....ranked in the Top 5 often (#1 Multiple times)  ...  State Finals appearances among the crew in multiple sports (at least 27 amongst the crew members). 

So here's my final response to your idiotic commentary/evaluation!       

 

YUCA---do you officiate any college or just high school?

1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

I’m only poking at whiting for basing “who is the best” on what the rankings are.

 

idk TN situation much but the fact that they weren’t even a consideration really for Arch Manning was surprising to me.

 

as for Purdue….it depends on O’Connell.  If he declares for the draft…let’s just say Brady will have every chance and then some to be a day 1 starter.

 

 From my point of view, it looks like the Red Sea is parting/all the stars are aligning…and with how college coaching is….that may be on purpose 

I can’t envision a scenario where Allen starts as a true freshman even if O’Connell leaves unless it’s out of necessity due to injury. Plummer putting his name in the portal likely signals O’Connell is back, but Allen starting as a true freshman is more than likely an indictment on Brohm not being able to develop or groom a QB in his younger classes. Brady will get his shot and should have multiple years to prove himself, I just don’t see next year being it.

22 minutes ago, Bobref said:

OK, I’m officially on the Freeman bandwagon. The alternative, I’m afraid, is a major reboot.

Notre Dame "should" never have to reboot, in my opinion. I get the love and support for Freeman and I do think he'll one day end up being a very good college HC, but player support/recruiting retainment really shouldn't be the mitigating factor in the hiring process. Same thing happened with USC and Clay Helton. Helton was named the interim after they fired Sarkisian and it was in large part due to outspoken support by then current players and committed recruits. That same support landed Helton an extension that certainly wasn't warranted. 

ND is a big boy program and they will make the right decision and it very well could be Freeman and he very well could kill it in South Bend for the next 20 years, but the decision shouldn't be based on player/recruit input. 

20 minutes ago, Irishman said:

If Fickell is smart, he talks to Freeman to try and get him to stay. 

He'd be smart too but sounds like LSU is prepared to make Freeman the highest paid DC in America at well over $2mil/yr. But I don't think Freeman is a coordinator anywhere next year, he'll be a head coach. 

24 minutes ago, BTF said:

They both want to be the head coach of Notre Dame, otherwise they would already be gone. 

I wouldn't be shocked to see Rees leave. Freeman on the other hand, only leaves if UND isn't hiring Fickell because that means Freeman is either being promoted at Notre Dame or taking Fickell's job at Cincinnati. 

5 hours ago, BTF said:

Peter King said it best. "Any right thinking person would shrug their shoulders at something like this. It's just plain wrong. Full stop."

One university shouldn't be allowed to make an offer to a coach who is in the middle or end of a season. It's morally gross. But they do it because the NCAA allows it, and money is more important than morals. Notre Dame did it to Cincinnati twelve years ago and they may even do it again this year. It needs to come to a head. A player can't transfer and play at another school during the middle of the season, so why should the head coach. It's a head scratcher. 

After all these players at Notre Dame have gone through with their head coach........recruitment, development, games, life, ect., they shouldn't have to find out on social media that their head coach jumped ship one week before the announcement of the playoffs. Brian Kelly has character flaws, plain and simple. 

Notre Dame's regular season has technically ended as has LSU's. Early signing period for college football is December 15th, it would look a whole lot worse had Brian Kelly let a dozen or so kids sign their LOI's (some even early enrolles) only to bolt after the first of the year. It's the way these things work, there's no easy way to leave one job for another.

As far as the social media aspect goes, how much control does Brian Kelly have over that? Social media is the problem.