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Honestly, I have a lot of respect for Chatard. A friend of mine from Crown Point married a Chatard girl and I've learned through her and her friends that Chatard really is a family. Her brother played for St Pius X and was a really good DB for Chatard. I get it now. That's a really good point about Chatard and Roncalli that I hadn't thought of. And I agree with your thoughts on the success factor. I really hate the way our Tournaments are formatted. It just sucks. And I'm not talking about how the 2 clear best teams in a Sectional can meet int the 1st round. I'm talking about how we can go weeks with just crappy slates of games. No offense to teams that fit that criteria, but when I turn on a Regional Championship I don't want to see .500 team because their Sectional was weak and not because they upset someone big. Here's the format I would prefer: Solves the problem of those who want an all-in format and those who want to seed. All In Format: Sectionals: Split teams into North/South buckets Identify teams (pick a percent of total in large area) in Central Indiana that are on a “borderline” The borderline can float North or South depending upon the geographic locations of the teams making up a Class Split borderline teams in half and have them rotate between North and South bracket on a yearly basis as long as they remain in the same Class the following year Figure out a set of rules if the above creates uneven brackets Seed the North bracket and then seed the South bracket Higher seed is home and then switch to current location rules This helps or hurts a poorly (both directions) seeded team. The Visiting team has the option of picking a neutral location if the Home team’s field is greater than a certain mileage distance from the visiting team. Regionals: Re-Seed the remaining 8 teams taking Sectional results into consideration Higher seed is home The Visiting team has the option of picking a neutral location if the Home team’s field is greater than a certain mileage distance from the visiting team. Semi-State: Re-Seed the remaining 4 teams taking Regional results into consideration Visiting team travels no matter how far the location Stat Finals: Should be an entertaining game

Brother Parkhurst is alive and well on the Region Sports Forum posting his weekly DAC Rankings and giving random predictions. Now that Valpo is possibly down to their 3rd string RB (Burda out too?) he's back to having hope that Merrillville has a chance. I think he has the Pirates losing to Snider in Semi-State.

Understood. I feel like a hypocrite because I get chapped when people make a claim that team x will roll to a title. I just don’t think anyone in 3A has the chops this year to take down Chatard and I’m predicting they roll through the Tourney if they get by Guerin. I hope I’m wrong and somebody upsets them. Personally, I’m surprised they’re satisfied with winning 3A Titles at this point.

Is Burda also out for the year? Losing Davis was huge. Losing Davis and Burda at RB is possibly too much to overcome. Semi-State is likely the ceiling and that's just because of who they'd see in Sectionals and Regionals.

Probably average at best. I think we saw in the first few weeks the aftershock of a combination of the following: Injury plagued OL Nate Davis not ready mentally for the start of the season after the death of his mother Getsy not having a good game plan for Fields Flus not beging aggressive enough on D Flus not taking exhibition games serious enough At this point it's all about figuring out if FIelds is the answer and what to do with the 2 1st round picks. If Fields is the future the Bears could be in line to once again trade the #1 overall pick or even the 2nd pick depending on where Carolina lands to teams desperate for Williams or Maye.

EC probably beats them. The 2022 and 2023 version of EC should be competing in 6A. I think Valpo could have taken New Pal or Roncalli.

Your Parkhurst part deux shtick isn't very funny. So, I'm not sure how to make you laugh.

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I disagree. Their run game by the time the Tourney rolled around was no joke. Not alot of 4A defensive front 7's could have handled it for 4 quarters.

I was in attendance as a young and misguided ND fan at Solider Field on 9/3/94 to see Ron Pawlus' first start for ND against Northwestern. He was the ultimate chosen one. I think Beano predicted multiple Heisman Trophies.

I thought this guy was the chosen one:

Who in 3A has a QB that can get a scholarship to Cincinnati and a WR that can play at Southern Illinois? That Memorial offense was on a different level than any 3A offense this year. Chatard rolls through 3A once again and pads the trophy case.

Prove it. The Vikings weren't flashy. But not many 4A teams had a defensive front seven that could have handled Valpo's big OL and 6' 230 RB (Davis) running power off tackle all night.

My wife is a Hamilton Heights grad. I'm involved in the area a bit. They have a solid coach there in the younger Kirschner who is active in the community and putting the program in the right direction. There is ZERO chance they beat Chatard.

I completely agree 5A watered down. Just don't think it's as bad as some say. And if the problem is that a select group of teams in or formerly in 4A (Cathedral, Roncalli, East Central) along with generational great teams (Columbus East, New Pal) can win at 5A then maybe they shouldn't have been in 4A in the first place and voluntarily stepped up a class. Looking at this year, I'll be curious to see if East Central's playoff SOS would have been stronger at the 5A level. Looking at enrollments, you are spot on. 2A-5A would be MUCH better if it was 1A that was split into 32 teams. That would have put the following teams into 5A: Kokomo Northridge Evansville Reitz East Central Hobart New Pal Roncalli

Stick with who cares. I rather combine 5A and 6A, create a 5A and 5AA and make the split at the end of the year based on analytic measures. It won’t be perfect, but it’s better than what we currently have.

How many of those 7 were won by Cathedral and New Pal? To refer to Cathedral as a 4A program is about as big of a joke as Chatard playing 3A ball. When New Pal was cranking out 5A titles they were among the best in the state and tangling with the likes of Center Grove. Using analytics to gauge depth of a class provides better perspective than cherry picking to prove a subjective point with programs who were good enough to be competing at the 6A level.

You split 4A in half to get the average of 67. Split 5A in half and the top half has an average of 39. Just go with Top 10's and it's 6 one way half dozen the other. I believe the original argument was that 4A was much stronger than 5A. At this point I've kind of lost interest. I will say 5A will provide much more of an entertaining playoff. East Central and Chatard are primed to easily cruise through 4A and 3A. Without looking at enrollments I'm not sure how it would impact EC and Chatard or even Roncalli, but I do agree with some mentions on this thread that 1A should be cut in half and start bumping up.

I have to admit I chuckle at the mentions of any sub 5A school not named East Central competing with Snider. The Panthers would bring size, speed and depth of the aforemention attributes to the field that a large majority of the sub 5A schools never see.

I took a look at the Sagarin Ratings by Class and came away with the following: Average Sagarin Rating: 5A: 97 4A: 133 3A: 155 Percent of teams in the Sagarin Top 100 5A: 65 4A: 39 3A: 28 IMO, this confirms my belief that as "meh" as 5A appears it's still not as weak as suggested.

Yeah, anyone knocking East Central likely hasn't seen them play. They are without a doubt a Top 10 overall team in Indiana.

No offense taken. It's all subjective opinions anayways that can't be solved by Sagarin ratings. For example, LaPorte at 173 beat New Prairie at 65.

Then maybe a select group of those teams should stop stacking the trophy cases against unmatched opponents and head up to 5A. Snider recently beat New Pal for a State Title and Valpo gave New Pal’s best team the closest game they received all year. There’s not as big of a drop off as you think between the non Catholic below 5A powers and and the current 5A. As meh as the 5A field is, I’d still argue the bottom of 5A is arguably stronger than the average opp Chatard and East Central will see in the playoffs this year.

You’re naming programs that are light years better than their competition when they’ve competing lower than 5A. Chatard, Cathedral, East Central and Roncalli are all programs far and away on a higher playing level than 4A and below programs. Throw in New Pal (Whose closest game was Valpo) and Columbus East teams who were all arguably the best ever in school history (among to 5-10 in state history for New Pal) sounds to me like you’ve sold the argument that 4A and one team in 3A can be very strong at the top. That doesn’t necessarily mean the classes as a whole were stronger than 5A.