FarmerFran

I would love to see all HNAC teams submit to a pool. Only sideline no end zone. I’d also like to see schools using a competent camera person and camera. These tablet uploads we get are terrible. 

I think this will be the most competitive year to date since the HNAC was formed in 2015. Pioneer loses a ton to graduation, so how they rebuild will be key.

On offense, they will need to replace both guards, 1 tackle and both Lewellens at wingbacks. On defense, they will need to replace 2 defensive lineman, 1 OLB, 1 ILB and both Lewellen's at db. Ezra and Addai also returned most kicks for the Panthers.

Brock Robinson will need to take on a larger role in the offense as Caden Hill continues to develop at QB.

2 minutes ago, LaSalle Lions 1976 said:

No. A person should live up to their obligations.  That's good business.

Yes because the state takes such great care of its teachers 🙃

1 hour ago, MarshallCounty said:

Not to rain on your parade, but that wasn’t the first meeting between Pioneer and Bremen. 😉

Easy mistake. Pioneer hasn’t played Bremen since the Clinton administration. 

4 minutes ago, Grover said:

Not even close to being accurate.  College scholarships are awarded based on college potential.  High school awards should be based on high school achievements.

I completely agree that it should be based on high school achievement and as such Mr Fisher fits the bill. 

41 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

This is ridiculous. Steele would be a force anywhere. When he was out last year with an injury the young Trojans struggled offensively. Then we he got healthy they got going. There is a reason no linemen win the Heisman or NFL MVP. Get a clue.

It’s an award for the best player. Not a popularity contest. If mr Steele was the best player in the state surely his collegiate offers would match that namesake. 

1 hour ago, StatQueen said:

No way! What a joke. 

Why shouldn’t it be? Steele is a fantastic player playing on the best/ most loaded team in the state. Put him on another team is he as dominant? I think that Fisher would be the same force regardless of where he is playing. 

This looks like a great year for a lineman to win!

15 minutes ago, FridayNightLights said:

When will the All State teams by class be posted?

I believe they will be released tomorrow. 

28 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Don't know about permanent expulsion, but definitely a lengthy suspension.

I'm also all for charges being pressed, but is there a way to insulate the ref from "being the bad guy" and "ruining the kid's life?"  Because you know that's how it's going to be framed.  Can the school file charges on behalf of the ref?  That way, it's not the ref having to be the "bad guy," but the accountability for proceedings being initiated and carried out closer to the person who caused the action as opposed to the victim?  I get this kind of stuff when I catch a kid cheating ... somehow it's my fault and I'm ruining his life by giving him a zero on the exam.

I phrased that poorly. I did mean suspension.

Ref should press charges and the kid should be removed from the school.

15 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Ouch!  McCutcheon and Anderson lost to Harrison by a combined 84-14 this season ... McCutcheon was shutout.  Kokomo didn't play due to KOVID, but was KO'd by McCutcheon 24-7 in the first round of sectionals.  Not sure Cathedral plays those two games of sectionals, but it should be lots of opportunity for non-starters to get playing time in tourney play.

 

This will almost all but assure that LCC or Pioneer or both would likely be back in 1A in the 2023 cycle.  If IHSAA were smart, they'd find a way to put them in different regions to give potential that they both stay up in 2A.

I just broke it out geographically, but we all know that doesn't always matter. 

Best stab at 2A I could muster...

Sectional    Team
33    Rensselaer
33    Whiting
33    Noll
33    Andrean
33    Lake Station
33    Wheeler
33    Boone Grove
33    River Forest
    
34    Bremen
34    Rochester
34    Pioneer
34    Wabash
34    Cass
34    Delphi
34    Laville
34    LCC
    
35    Prairie Heights
35    Central Noble
35    Churubusco
35    Eastside
35    Whitko
35    Luers
35    Adams Central
35    Bluffton
    
36    Oak Hill
36    Eastbrook
36    Blackford
36    Eastern (Greentown)
36    Madison Grant
36    Elwood
36    Tipton
36    Machester
    
37    Southmont
37    North Putnam
37    Greencastle
37    Cascade
37    Ritter
37    Scecina
37    Heritage Christian
37    Phalen- not sure if they will participate in tournament.
    
38    Frankton
38    Lapel
38    Shenandoah
38    Eastern Hancock
38    Wichester
38    Northeastern
38    Centerville
38    Union County
    
39    Triton Central
39    Switzerland County
39    Brownstown
39    Eastern (Pekin)
39    Mitchell
39    Paoli
39    Crwaford County
39    Perry Central
    
40    Sullivan
40    Linton
40    North Knox
40    North Posey
40    Mater Dei
40    South Spencer
40    Tell City
40    Forest Park
 

Does this mean all Indy schools should be bumped up a class??? 😂

54 minutes ago, DT said:

We have approx 420 high schools in Indiana, and 100 have chosen not to play football.  Perhaps Attucks is at that crossroads where extreme low participation, general overall lack of interest and support, and consistently dismal on field results combine to force the shutdown of the program.  We have a general approach around here that focuses on the few kids who might lose the opportunity to play.  What we dont focus on is the new opportunities that football dollars reallocated will open up for many others.

If Attucks has any "football players," they have the opportunity to go to Tech.  Kids travel from 30 miles plus out to get to Roncalli.  Im sure a commute a few miles across town is feasible for those at Attucks who wish to continue their grid careers.

 

Had Covid not happened Attucks would have had more players. With virtual learning going there were several kids that did not have access ( transportation ) to school. 
 

In 2019, they won a section game and finished the season at 7-3. If I’m not mistaken they had 40-50 kids on last years roster as well. 

Any reason HNAC doesn’t do a coach of the year anymore?

3 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers and  will even admit South Newton needed to dress JV players to have a team.

Pioneer dressed right around 30 at semistate, but dressed as low as 26 I believe during the course of the season due to injury. 

4 hours ago, CoachDurham said:

2 Point Games

Westfield vs Center Grove

Zionsville vs Cathedral

3 Point Games

Chatard vs Danville

Hobart vs Roncalli

5 Point Games

Fort Wayne Luers vs Western Boone

South Adams vs Covenant Christian

My biggest question is how a kid gets any kind of mvp award for a conference when their team doesn’t even win a conference game. I’m not saying sam isn’t a good player but surely there was a more deserving player from any of the teams that had conference wins. We faced solid defensive players across the board from Laville, Judson etc. 

When a team is on defense for the majority of most games of course their stats will be inflated. I just think the team wins should be taken into account. 

17 hours ago, Miner_Pride said:

my question is... did the Pioneer OL who left the game when the Panthers were dominating..also a starter on D?  What  changed to see Luers suddenly put up so many points... and what changes the Luers make d-wise to suddenly stop that offense?  Pioneer is really a 1A school..as we all know... it's tough  to lose a 2-way starter.. not to mention already being short a big player on both sides of the ball.  My Congrats to what they have accomplished!

Pioneer Olineman that got hurt was one of the teams leading tacklers on defense at middle linebacker and was also the teams punter. Had to move one of our better cover guys from OLB to ILB to compensate and one of our dlinemen to olb, who then cramped up in the third quarter and couldn't go back in. No excuses from our side. Luers came out in the second half playing to win and it seemed like we came out playing to not lose.

Player that went down for Pioneer started at guard, was one of the teams leading tacklers and was the punter. 

29 minutes ago, Thor77 said:

You can say that at a big school, where coaching and developing 100 potential players matters. It’s much different at 1A where you either luck into a good gene pool or not. 

I coach at 2a Pioneer. 1a enrollment school bumped up to 2a from success factor. I am well aware of the struggles that come with playing/ coaching at a small school. 
 

You will hear no one from our staff complain about our position in 2a. We played “above our weight” winning a sectional and beating a very good Andrean team. We just ran out of bodies and gas against a very good Luers team. 
 

Saying that coaching and development only matters at large schools is an ignorant statement. 

This is such bs. 
 

Man up and play the team in front of you. If you’re not competitive, get better. If a coach isn’t getting the job done, hold him accountable. 
 

Winning a state championship isn’t in the cards for some teams and it isn’t supposed to be, that’s what makes it special. Regardless if you are a public or private school you still have to put in the 17 weeks of work to get there and not have a bad week or half that gets you booted. 

9 hours ago, TheKnight09 said:

This comes down to whichever Luers defense shows up on Friday.  Offensively Luers should do fine, defensively I’m a little worried.  Hoping for a great game and would love another Luers state game, but just taking it one week at a time.

I'd have to agree, I just don't see any way the Panthers can contain this high flying Luers offense. If you look at what Luers has been doing to all of the 2A teams they've faced, I'd say they are the clear favorite.

2 Point Games

Westfield @ Merrillville

Mater Dei @ Western Boone

3 Point Games

Valpo @ Zionsville

Marion @ Hobart

Mooresville @ Roncalli

Danville @ Southridge

Pioneer @ Luers

Mater Dei @ Western Boone

South Adams @ LCC

Covenant Christian @ West Washington