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5 minutes ago, Thor77 said:

The issue as it pertains to the broad subject is that CC had an opportunity to get a kid of Wilson’s caliber at all due to being an Indy school and still compete at 1A. Yes, south adams has got some kids moved in over the years, but at best they are all ACAC or even honorable mention all state players coming from other small town communities. Wilson was one of the best running backs I’ve ever seen, and he was playing 1A. You have to be delusional to think private schools in metro areas have the same 1A limitations that the county 1A schools of Indiana have. And I am not saying CC recruits, they just happen to have a larger pool of potential players than an SA does, and still gets to be 1A. 

That is because classes in the IHSAA aren't determined on if a school is in a Urban or Metro area. It's determined by enrollment. Park Tudor (a private school) located in prime area in Indianapolis has the same pool of potential players and have won 5 games only 1 time in the last 15 years. most years a 2 win or 3 win season is the norm and there are several 1 win and even an 0 fer.

22 hours ago, eschnur66 said:

Not so fast my friend.  Look at their tapes next to one another.  Both dominant at their positions, however neither is WAY better than the other.  You could, in fact make a pretty solid argument that one has much more impressive highlights!  #Fisher4MRFBALL

I will make the solid argument for Emil Ekiyor (there is a reason he is starting at Alabama right now). Here is 1 highlight tape of his Sr season at Cathedral. He made a switch from Tackle to Center (his Tackle highlights are just as good as his Center highlights. He is a Guard for Alabama currently very fundamental and multi position OL. That being said Fisher is a great OL as well.

16 hours ago, NE8Fan said:

Not sure why this gets you so fired up?  Just was making a statement that went along with this the topic of this thread.  I was asked to verify it so I did.  

Not fired up what so ever and have no ties to Covenant Christian. I'm stating even if he was at WC as a freshman or soph what does it have to do with anything. He was at TC Howe and transfered to CC only after Howe closed its doors. I am asking you if he did (which it has been stated that he didn't) go to WC for 2 years what is your point? Does WC give their kids a special drink (ala Space Jam) and it makes them so much better? There are kids that transfer ALL the time (I'm sure South Adams isn't immune to transfer or move in kids). T.C. Howe closed completely for good, what is the issue if his parents chose CC afte Howe closed?

3 hours ago, NE8Fan said:

I heard the CC rb was a Warren Central transfer.  SA also gets 6A trasfers all the time from Snider so it is very similar 🙂

You are still on this? Heck even the link you have given has 1 lone highlight play. Regardless he didn't transfer from Warren Central to Covenant Christian. He enrolled at CC after T.C. Howe closed their doors. 

Even if he did attend WC as a Frosh and Soph like you claim, what did it have to do with the CC vs SA game? Kids move and transfer EVERY year mostly at Public schools. So I am failing to see where it would be an issue?

On 12/8/2020 at 10:20 AM, Coach Nowlin said:

Ratings board per class, I believe thre was a lengthy IFCA Zoom meeting with all members of the Ratings board, then breakout sessions per classification.   Same way its done every year, minus in person this time.  

I think I just found your Zoom session Coach Nowlin!!

All in fun my man! Have a good laugh and great day!

3 hours ago, Robert said:

Go through the list of good programs in 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A and put them in 7A.  I get it.  

Well to start that is the solution. Then after 2 years when the 50 roster team hits a Public 81 roster team, those teams have to be moved to 8A. Then we will keep adding them until said 50 roster team wins State, then we can stop. (full on sarcasm)

3 hours ago, foxbat said:

Yep.

And may also be considered a HOME win even if the team was the visitor.

definitely with you on that 100%

22 minutes ago, Tanka Jahari said:

Is it possible that the endzone camera situation is markedly better at Franklin Central compared to what Coach West had available to work with at Warren Central? Maybe Franklin Central has a Hi-Pod X31.......

Why invest in a Hi-Pod X31 when you can have WTHR or another news station film practice from a helicopter! 😆 Some who have been around will get it (sorry WC fans was meant in fun).

2 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said:

Moyers is at Plainfield, isn't he?

Yes, he would be a great candidate for the WC job though. He did well at Pike.

2 hours ago, Indiana Fan said:

No Carmel?

Also, I miss the old days of Cathedral vs Warren. Always exciting matchups. I really wish we could all see some of those games instead of the Cincy area teams. Not that those are not great matchups. I just prefer seeing the Indiana teams battle it out.

Really limited on when MIC schools can be schedules with any team. Mic teams are usually only available to schedule non-conference weeks 1, 2, and 9. The Cincinnati schools Cathedral plays happen 4, 6, and 7 which is when most teams are playing their conference schedule.

21 minutes ago, foxbat said:

TPCS "won" their game over Clinton Prairie when CP withdrew due to COVID.  The next week, LCC "won" their game when TPCS withdrew due to COVID.

 

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

Helluva defensive effort by both teams if you ask me...

3 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Looks like LCC took TPCS to penalty kicks. 😀

Both games should have been 2-0 win. All Forfeits are considered a 2-0 victory over the forfeiting team.

10 hours ago, Irishman said:

A LOT of interesting names out there...and fun conversation...as @Coach Nowlin said, stay away from the hearsay. I agree with Temptation as far as the coaches in the donut around Marion County. I don’t see any of them moving. I am going to throw one name out there that has yet to come up, but has been a GREAT coach. Terry Peebles has plenty of experience on the college level and has done a great job with the Harrison program. 

Good name to throw out there. One interesting thing is his flex-bone offense is very similar to the early years of Kevin Wright at Warren Central.

50 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said:

Anomaly, outlier, something strange in the water........whatever 2018 was.

ALSO 2010  5 classes 3 P/P champions  2011 5 classes 4 P/P  2012 5 classes 4 P/P 2013 5 classes 4 P/P     From 2010-2013 only 5 classes!!!                               2014 6 classes 3 P/P 2015 6 classes 2 P/P 2016 6 classes 3 P/P 2017 6 classes 3 P/P 

Champions 8 previous years!  If my math skills are on point in these 8 years 26 of the possible 40 chance were won by P/P schools!  That's 65%!  I stand by my comments that the reality shouldn't be P/P schools dominating their respective classes year in and year out!  

 

  

 (Chatard) to field a team of 107 players (Max Preps stat)            Obviously you missed this piece of info, that I actually used Max Preps as a source!!!  

I know you used Maxpreps. That is why I stated it is inaccurate and the actual roster is available in the IHSAA Finals program and also on Chatard's website.  2013 was also the year the success factor was introduced. Heritage Hills will not have to worry about Chatard next year because Chatard will be moving up to 4A. It moves highly successful teams up a class all by a point system. needs tweaked to 4 years but it is a good system.

By the way you brought up Pike Central and Tecumseh, they can't compete with their 1A and 3A Public counterparts so no they won't be able to compete with CC or Chatard. Just like Bishop Noll can't compete with most of 2A. My point is what will you do if they put P/P in a its own class, then a public school with more rostered players continues to win want them moved into their own class? Just keep doing that until there are no teams with more rostered players and that State Championship is achieved.

Just an FYI 2018 wasn't the only year there was 1 P/P State Champion. Heck 05/06 saw 0 P/P State Champions.

2 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

They might pursue him, but I can't imagine Mike coming back into the MIC. Not at this stage of his career. Been there, done that, has the t-shirt. I would have to root for him though. 

What about Craig Chambers would that be a possible candidate to apply. East side ties as former HC at Howe. He does have HC and Assistant AD jobs currently at Tech. Just tossing a name out there.

1 minute ago, Staxawax said:

I heard Webster wasn’t the starting QB at that time, no?

Rotated between 2 QB's Webster and Talley

4 hours ago, Patriot 74 said:

Sorry if I unintentionally made this a private vs public school thing and I apologize.  But to be clear I was in no way insinuating that HH complained about playing Chatard last year.  Fact is, at one time there was a pretty good tournament rivalry that HH and Chatard had, although it was pretty one sided, but no matter who won the game it was always a sloberknocker!!  In my earlier post my intention was to draw a comparison to this:  why is it okay and acceptable for PP school (Chatard) to field a team of 107 players (Max Preps stat) against a HH team of 50 (again Max Preps stat).  It would seem that in every class 1A-5A the PP schools usually have a far larger team by the numbers.  The advantage here is quite obvious, there are minimal two way players, and possibly even a completely separate special teams roster for the PP school, while in this particular comparison HH had 9-10 kids never ever leave the field.  War of attrition is usually won by the team with greater numbers.      

I do not seem to think it outrageous or ignorant to say that the PP schools should have their own tournament.  Maybe the Oldenbergs and Trader's Points wouldn't stand a chance against the big boys.  Do you think a Tecumseh, or Pike Central would ever stand a chance against Covenant Christian or Chatard???  I think we all know the answer is a resounding NO!!  That's life, and sometimes it's hard and it sucks, but it's reality.  The reality should be this:  that five classes of football shouldn't be dominated year in and year out by PP schools, but instead have one PP school champion and 6 other public school class champions!  

You can go to the official IHSAA State Championship program (link provided) to count the Chatard roster 81 players listed. I am sure they would love to have 107 players on their Varsity roster though.

https://www.ihsaa.org/portals/0/Flip Book/2020-21/fb/index.html

Also 2020 6 classes 5 P/P State Champions, 2019 6 classes 3 P/P Champions, 2018 6 classes 1 P/P Champion last 3 years data. 

3 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

To be honest... the Irish faithful should feel great about their QB making top 50... personally i think the 5a team was more accurate... some of those all state QBs didnt have the weapons like the Irish had. Heck the CG and Westfield QBs are both way better then the Irish QB... but only juniors so they did y'all a favor and put them on the underclass squad. Awesome accomplishments for all. The Team matters most anyways, Unless you're talking to travel baseball peeps.

We got to witness first hand who the better QB was between Westfield and Cathedral first one was 7 of 14 99 yds 2 TD 8 carries for 30 yds, the other 18 of 26 201 yds 5 TD's 7 carries 109 yds 2 TD's.

In the CG game CG's QB wasn't having his best game even throwing a pick 6 that covered 70 yds. He did though redeem himself with the final drive after Cathedral turned it over on downs. That being said with the style of Offense CG has they don't always unleash to show what their QB can do so it's a tough comparison.

I'll also state Cathedral's WR wasn't going to get a lot of offers for football because he already committed to playing baseball at Louisville and schools found he would be pursuing baseball not football.

11 hours ago, Boilernation said:

LOL. Their football stadium is easily visible from the Toll Road just before entering Chicago. It looks like it seats 50 people and was the practice field used in the movie Wildcats. 

9 minutes ago, foxbat said:

Some aren't quite as helpful, but they will ask about your mom.  😃

Or as Jep Robertson would say "Your mom and them"

22 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said:

My my my did someone have a bad day or what?? 

So it's pretty ignorant for a public school, let's say Heritage Hills, to have a complaint having to play a PP school like Chatard in LOS last year.  I think the football rosters were something like HH 50 kids, Chatard 110 kids.  That's the same kind of disadvantage you allude to in your  ignorant response above mentioning Oldenburg Academy, Providence and anyone else playing Cathederal or whoever.  If I may......you are saying it's okay for public schools to compete with this obvious disadvantage of being outsized and outnumbered, but by golly no way a PP school, especially a smaller one at that, should have to play against a bigger and better roster.  C'mon man!!!

Nope had a great day.

Yes it is ignorant to expect Oldenberg Academy enrollment 219, Trader's Point Christian Academy enrollment 126, and Providence enrollment 385 to compete against Roncalli enrollment 1,188, Cathedral enrollment 1,099, and Bishop Chatard 714. Just as ignorant as saying Heritage Hills enrollment 601 should have to play in the same class as New Palestine enrollment 1,175, Center Grove enrollment 2,521, or Decatur Central enrollment 1,845. Chatard maybe rostered 80-81 players at most, on the field its 11 vs 11 though 50% of the roster didn't even cross the sideline except to head to and from the locker room. I doubt Evansville Memorial had more rostered players than Heritage Hills. The success factor will bump succesful teams up Public or P/P it needs tweaks but it works. I didn't see a problem with New Palestine comfortably beating Whiteland, Franklin, Cathedral, Bloomington South, or Valparaiso with roughly half the roster of all those teams last year. So c'mon man.

9 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Part 2 is the 2nd link....  No one would ever suggest (in their right mind) that anyone would GO to ESLH for the academics or sports.   Those days passed in the 30s through early 50s. 

I hear it is a great place to get directions to the Interstate on your way to Wally World. Clark told me they were very friendly and only charged him some hubcaps on the family truckster. 😆

On 12/4/2020 at 4:02 PM, temptation said:

Not gonna let ya derail this one my man.  

You obviously don’t work in education or coach at any level...

(See above post.)

I know you like to bring up SES Socio Economics, but how do you explain East St. Louis in Illinois or some other schools lacking in SES from other states? What do they have that poor SES schools in Indiana don't have (honest question). I mean if there is any school with terrible SES it would be East St. Louis Flyers (by a long shot) not even comparable to terrible SES in Indiana. Yet they can win Illinois 7A State Championships. I think some try to use it as a crutch, but it can and is overcome in multiple states.

25 minutes ago, StatQueen said:

I agree, already said he was a great dual threat QB.... great high light film too. Not even close to sniffing McCulys career. Talk aboout a highlight reel. Not even close.

Heck no he won't sniff McCulley's "Career Record" who has ever disputed that. Can't sniff a 3 year career starters career when you've only been afforded 1 year as a starter after waiting behind a very good 2 year starter. Heck the kid even made switch to WR last year just to get on the field because they had a extremely good 2 year starter. Some background becomes healthy. McCulley's seasons 2020 7-4 lost sectional champ, 2019 4-7 lost sectional champ, 2018 3-7 lost 1st rd. McCahill's lone starting year 13-1 with a strong schedule (they weren't chumps look at Cathedral's schedule) and State Championship

16 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

McCahill didn’t even win the QB award???

Yep chose another QB while a very good QB didn't make it out of Sectionals. No chance for McCahill to win Mr. Football now unfortunately. McCulley is a very good QB. Shows me it is not an award for top Senior but what a player does over 4 years of football only. McCahill had an excellent season and while some want to ignorantly state his numbers are inflated by the Jet Sweep/shuffle pass those that have actually watched know he was a terrific downfield passer excellent running QB and a great leader. Steele will also be a great choice but its a shame McCahill can't even have the battle with the terrific season he had. Ultimate team player that switched to WR while waiting his time at QB behind a 2 year starter (my personal opinion) and came out on fire this year.

2 hours ago, StatQueen said:

Love the McCahill kid. Great HS dual threat QB. I will say his stats are inflated due to their Jet Sweep being run as a "pass" in the statbook. Makes those TDs, yards passing, And completion % appear way better than reality.

 

Ignorant statement to be honest. The Jet sweep that is actually a shovel pass (Peyton Manning even utilized it). Accounted for maybe 10 TD's passing and was only ran when they were inside the 5 yard line or short yardage situations. To say it inflated his passing yardage is totally ignorant to say when it maybe accounted for 70 yards total on his total passing yards. While I can see you saying Passing TD's and possibly completion percentage (event though that is not accurate) it is a reckless statement to make. Here is the young man's hudle highlight's not one of them was of the "Jet Sweep" / "Shuffle Pass" which was an extremely small portion of his passing yards and TD's. http://www.hudl.com/v/2EiVNe

31 minutes ago, Patriot 74 said:

Simple solution.  Add a class to the IHSAA, 7A is nothing but PP schools and let them duke it out!!  See problem solved!  It's that simple.

Almost as simple as moving Heritage Hills to 6A to duke it out with Ben Davis, Warren Central, Center Grove, and Carmel. Pretty simple. Pretty much the same ignorant thought process as expecting Oldenberg Academy, Providence, or Trader's Point Christian playing in a Class with Cathedral, Roncalli, or Chatard for a State Championship.