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Moshiner1345

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  1. Yes, that's why I provided a very lengthy description of what the officials are taught to do (keys at the snap then transitioning of their eyes as the play evolves) and how it related to this specific play. The left guard firing out as a run block (in this specific play) is why this official may have transitioned his eyes to the receiver late, thus missing the grab. It's a foul in my opinion, I was merely trying to provide all readers with an insight as to why this foul may be missed. It's a coverage nightmare given the left tackle fires out as a run blocker. If he retreats to pass block (steps backwards behind the LOS), then the R would pick him up as a blocker and the HL would have transitioned his eyes to the WR much quicker and possibly seen the grab in it's entirety.
  2. Do you want to know how hard HS football 5 person officiating is. This play is 100% a prime example. BJ is keying/responsible for the 2 receivers at the bottom of the screen since this is a trips formation (notice how he is shaded toward those receivers). The wing at the bottom of the screen then would have the 3rd receiver in. But he's keying off the right tackle to read run or pass so he knows whether to keep his focus on that receiver or the blocking of the tackle. The official at the top of the screen is responsible for the receiver at the top of the screen, the RB on his side and the left tackle. He too is keying off the left tackle for run vs pass. This left tackle determines where his eyes need to go next. In this play. The left tackle fires out like a run, you can't see that wing's eyes but his mechanics are then to keep an eye on that tackle for holding (since it looks like a run). It's fuzzy when you can see the top wings head come onto the screen but, it looks like he is looking at the tackle at the time of the grab. The BJ is focused on the opposite side of the field, so he probably doesn't see the grab either. This is just a black hole in 5 person officiating. So when @Bobref says the crew thought the ball was just past the receiver at the time of the grab, the HL eyes got to the receiver about this time in the play and he admits he saw the grab, but the eyes were focused where they were supposed to be focused (the tackle) so when they transitioned to the receiver, the ball was probably just wizzing past the receiver. Here is what the manual says word for word: 6. Initial keys are as follows: a. B has the widest receiver on the strong side of the formation. Note: if players are “stacked” one behind the other, the player closest to the line of scrimmage is considered to be wider. b. The wing official on the strong side of the formation has the inside receiver(s) on that side. c. The wing official on the weak side of the formation has any receivers on that side. d. If the strong side of the formation has three eligible receivers (“trips”), then B takes the two widest receivers on the strong side, and the wing on the strong side takes the inside receiver. e. Wing officials always key on receivers out of the backfield who came from inside the tackles toward them. After the snap, observe your keys and read the near tackle to determine run or pass. Hold the line of scrimmage until the ball carrier crosses it. Watch the initial charge of linemen. Watch blocking on the back side on runs to the opposite side of the field.
  3. I know a lot of discussion has been woven in to a few different threads surrounding the new limit on 3.5 year history of votes only being allow (basically schools you have worked in 2018+) and how that would effect the overall number of votes a crew received this year. I also recall hearing a school has 5 write in votes even if they have not had that crew since 2018. I am a numbers guy, so I am only here to report our crew's facts: We received 44 votes this season. We received 53 votes last season (so down 9 votes). Of those 44 votes, we received 4 write in votes (schools we have not worked for during the regular season or post-season, home or away, in 2018 +) There were 71 schools who were eligible to vote for our crew for this season. These 71 schools we have seen at home or on the road in the regular season or post-season during the 2018 season through when the vote closed for the 2021 season. That means 56.3% of the schools eligible to vote for our crew did cast a vote (40/71). There were 3 schools who voted for us in 2020, but did not vote in 2021 (and were eligible to vote). For the 4 write in votes: School #1: We had worked at home in 2012, 2013, & 2014, however they had not voted for our crew since 2013. We did have their scrimmage in 2020 at home, but I didn't know if scrimmages count towards "working" the school since they don't go on the tournament application. School #2: We have never worked, however they have voted for us in 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019, & 2020. But I'm not 100% sure the connection. School #3: We had worked on the road in 2016, however they have never voted for us until this year. Really weird to have this as a write in vote. School #4: We have never worked in the regular season. We did have their scrimmage in 2020, they were the visiting team, but I didn't know if scrimmages count towards "working" the school since they don't go on the tournament application. Again, just reporting facts. But if you have any questions, feel free to ask. I'll be as transparent as allowed on a public forum. I have kept the history of our votes since our crew came to fruition back in 2008. Our very first year we received 18 votes. The most we've ever received was in 2019 and we received 68 votes that year.
  4. Anything particular that you are able to share in this public forum?
  5. Interestingly though, did you notice that this year's sectional finals included ZERO crews who worked the state championship last season. It looks like they were capped at 2 rounds in order to advance more "new sided" crews to a sectional championship contest. This opened up 6 spots for those "new crews" to advance. So while we all do have our complaints, little steps are being made in getting more "new crews" deeper into the tournament (albeit 1 more round which = zero more "experience" points). (editorial note: "new crews" for the purpose of this post = crews who have not ever worked a state championship before).
  6. Another possible scenario: there is only 1 wing on the LOS in this scrimmage kick situation. The 1 wing could have had a brain lapse and thought the other side wing was going to blow it dead (if the offsides was on the opposite side), then he realized after the play, there was not an opposite side wing. So he had to come in with the information late prompting the late penalty. Wasn't there, don't know, haven't seen the play. Just showing a gap in the HS 5 person coverage for this play situation
  7. I just read on Twitter that the North Montgomery vs Brebeuf game was moved to Crawfordsville HS tonight. Presumably to avoid the field conditions at North Mont. Thats pure speculation though.
  8. With your comments above it made me think, so I started looking back at our vote sheet (I have tracked our crews votes since the beginning of us becoming a crew back in 2008) and interestingly enough there have only been 2 seasons where an observer's name showed up on our vote sheet: 2016 & 2019. We have been observed at least once every year since 2014. Although, I will say that most of the time the observers show up to a playoff game and voting has closed by that point in the season. I wonder if a playoff observation counts towards advancement consideration since the votes are already calculated by then.
  9. I'm not sure either team was running that as their base offense. I'm also not sure what that has to do with my comment on how the field remained in fair playing condition given the crazy weather throughout the game.
  10. The 49ers field seemed to hold up pretty good last night in the monsoon.
  11. They were around 0800 this morning per the IFOA email.
  12. I did not realize that, it has never pertained to me or the crew I'm on, so I hadn't paid much attention honestly. But I thought you must work a semi-state the year prior to working state. I guess it's a moot point either way from this year forward.
  13. I too think this will be interesting in terms of "legacy" votes and how the removal of those will effect the "same guys anyway" that @Dirty D may be referring to. I also recall reading something to the fact that crews on the "old" side don't necessarily have to work a semi-state the year prior to being eligible for state. This will make each year much more competitive on the "old" side.
  14. Here's a video on Twitter I just found. https://twitter.com/WIBCKurtDarling/status/1444075504164737026?s=19
  15. I don't have any pictures, but we were on it on Friday, very soft. Well done by whomever put it in. Its also two different shades of green every five yards which makes for a unique appearance.
  16. Looks like Manchester will be hosting Winamac on Friday @ 7:30pm. Not sure what happened to Wabash and North White (Manchester's and Winamac's original opponents).
  17. To further expand on the penalty options. R may also choose to back up K 15 yards and re-kick. It's also important to note, that if R chooses to enforce the 15 yard penalty from where K caught the ball in flight. They are also awarded a fair catch and may line up in a free kick formation themselves and attempt to kick a field goal off a tee without a rush for 3 points. I've never seen this option used in my 15 + years of officiating, but it does exist in the rule book.
  18. If this is the direction from the IHSAA, there needs to be some sort of communication sent out to the crews because I could not imagine throwing a flag for this type of action. This seems to be a game management issue not a referee issue.
  19. 2 minor things and one more significant thing that just seems really awkward with the mechanics. We did two games this past week and had the opportunity to follow the mechanics to the letter and I'd like to provide feedback on these 3 things: The 2 minor: 1) The opening mock coin toss mechanics. It says for the Umpire to have his back to the press box while facing R. Yet the U brings in the visiting team. Which means he has to walk by the R who is standing in the middle of the field waiting for the teams to arrive. Then when the R is doing his re-enactment, he is on the opposite side of the home stands. This most likely will make it difficult for the press box to see the R. From the way I'm reading it, it looks like this: | Press #12 #15 #25 #64 R Visitor | | Box U < < < < < < < < < < < < < Sideline | | Sideline #22 #56 #67 #88 | Why not have R on the Home side of the captains and the U stop on the opposite side facing the pressbox? This means the U wouldn't have to walk past the R and awkwardly have his back to the press box during the re-enactment. It would also allow the pressbox to see the R better. This is how we did it in prior years to my knowledge. Something minor, but felt super awkward when we did it. 2) The pre-game script for 2021 has the Umpire checking the game balls and the manual has the Referee checking the balls. Again not a huge to do, but when being observed we want to ensure the "correct" person is doing their job. The more significant (in my opinion): 1) When the ball is snapped from the 11 yard line, the manual says for the Back Judge to be on the goal line. This makes it very very difficult to cover the end line on quick throws to the back of the endzone. Corner fly routes where the QB takes one step and releases. If the B could split the difference (5 yds from the EL and 5 from the GL) then they would have a better chance to be in position to rule on an end line play and still have enough time to come up and rule on a goal line play (since it's 5 yards either way). Maybe when the ball is snapped anywhere from the 15 to outside the 10, the BJ could line up in the middle of the EZ. Just wanted to provide some feedback after experiencing the mechanics.
  20. At our scrimmage we didn't have any issues with the above points of emphasis.
  21. In response to what Bob said above I think is extremely important to "control what you can control". Our crew too has been disappointment by lack of advancement for many many years (started our crew in 2008). We were observed week 1 in 2016. Our observer was completely honest with us. He said our crewed was over weight at certain positions and that we appeared to be slow because of the weight some of our guys carried. So you know what I did, I went and looked at our films. That game and of every game throughout the year. We did look slow, we were out of position at times. I challenged our crew. I said, "if you want to get to the promise land, we need to change our perception of being slow". So that summer our crew made 1 personnel change and 2 other guys lost a combined 125 lbs. It hurt at the time to hear what the observer said, we were pissed and we moaned about it for weeks. We complained about other crews and how far they were advancing. But in hind sight, it was exactly what we needed to hear. The following year we were observed and received excellent reviews. I continued to break down every game. And I don't mean looking back to see if we got the calls right or wrong, I'm talking about watching every play. Looking at mechanics, looking at positioning, looking at our eyes, where our focus is / where it should be. Controlling the things we can control: preparation, fitness, hustle, and appearance/perception. Challenge yourself and your crew. Even if you don't care about the tournament, it will bring yourself satisfaction to know you are doing everything in your control to officiate to best of your ability on any given Friday night.
  22. Is there a separate thread to post the 5a score from tonight? I'm teasing. 🤓😎😜
  23. I had heard a rumor that this year, due to COVID, the stadium may need to be emptied between each contest. Any truth to this?
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