Crown Point at Penn

[PDB26]

31 minutes ago, danomyte said:

More so I see the talk of "if they played an Indy schedule they'd only be 5-4", which might be the case but I can't wait to find out how we do stack up. I believe the defense is greatly improved from last year which is crazy considering some of the talent they lost. Our offense hasn't skipped a beat either, if beating Merrillville and Valpo weren't statement games who/when will be the first real test? Is it tonight vs Penn? would it be next round (if they do beat Penn) vs a Carroll/FWS or not until a Westfield in Semi's?

Generally, I'm disinclined to see wins over 5A opponents as a statement by a 6A contender. A statement win for this CP team tonight is only possible if they blow Penn's doors off. I'd probably say it's the same for the regional. Any win in the semi state would probably count as a statement win. I think that's just the reality of 6A ball.

[Justasportsfan]

40 minutes ago, danomyte said:

More so I see the talk of "if they played an Indy schedule they'd only be 5-4", which might be the case but I can't wait to find out how we do stack up. I believe the defense is greatly improved from last year which is crazy considering some of the talent they lost. Our offense hasn't skipped a beat either, if beating Merrillville and Valpo weren't statement games who/when will be the first real test? Is it tonight vs Penn? would it be next round (if they do beat Penn) vs a Carroll/FWS or not until a Westfield in Semi's?

If they get by Westfield then they can stake claim possibly..however winning hardware is difficult n even if they get past Penn by 14 I wouldn't think less of them..these kids play their hearts for would could be their final game..a cp/carroll game would probably have a packed house as both fan bases seem to show up..making a back to back run state is no easy feat..

[danomyte]

21 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

Generally, I'm disinclined to see wins over 5A opponents as a statement by a 6A contender. A statement win for this CP team tonight is only possible if they blow Penn's doors off. I'd probably say it's the same for the regional. Any win in the semi state would probably count as a statement win. I think that's just the reality of 6A ball.

I can respect that, unfortunately those (2) 5A schools are better competition than the 6A counterparts in our conference (Portage & Lake Central) so that's all there is to judge off of up here. I hope next year's week 2 opponent is an early challenge. Maybe they need to cross into Illinois and play a Lincolnway or Mt. Carmel. The JV team played Marist during week 2 (varsity played Arizona), maybe that was a preview of 2025.

 

Edited November 8, 2024 by danomyte

[temptation]

3 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

LOL , That doesn't stop you when your team is sent packing . 

Don't have a team.

[PDB26]

7 minutes ago, danomyte said:

I can respect that, unfortunately those (2) 5A schools are better competition than the 6A counterparts in our conference (Portage & Lake Central) so that's all there is to judge off of up here. I hope next year's week 2 opponent is an early challenge. Maybe they need to cross into Illinois and play a Lincolnway or Mt. Carmel. The JV team played Marist during week 2 (varsity played Arizona), maybe that was a preview of 2025.

A 6A program playing down a class could do much, much worse than playing Merrillville and Valpo, and it's not like CP didn't handle their business in those games––or any other game. The big challenge for 6A programs in northern Indiana is to find quality competition for their varsity and jv teams. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Don't have a team.

Oh yes you do . There is a reason why you say you don't have a team . That way you can dish it and never have to take it . Troll

[GOLDRUSH1985]

On 11/6/2024 at 2:44 PM, temptation said:

Yeah, a few.  
 

And no, a program like Penn “winning a sectional championship” is not impressive.

It should be the floor/expectation.

 

It is the expectation at Penn . That does not mean it's going to happen every year . 

[AT53]

2 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

It is the expectation at Penn . That does not mean it's going to happen every year . 

This. 100%. 

[Boilernation]

2 hours ago, danomyte said:

I can respect that, unfortunately those (2) 5A schools are better competition than the 6A counterparts in our conference (Portage & Lake Central) so that's all there is to judge off of up here. I hope next year's week 2 opponent is an early challenge. Maybe they need to cross into Illinois and play a Lincolnway or Mt. Carmel. The JV team played Marist during week 2 (varsity played Arizona), maybe that was a preview of 2025.

 

Lincoln Way East, Marist, Mt. Carmel, St. Rita, Nazereth Academy, Loyola, Naperville Centra, Downers Grove North, etc. would be great additions to the Bulldog schedule. Only problem is it's hard to get Chicago teams to leave their bubble and they start a week later than Indiana.

[BTF]

4 hours ago, danomyte said:

More so I see the talk of "if they played an Indy schedule they'd only be 5-4"

Or they could be 8-1. There's no way to know until they face Westfield. 

[temptation]

3 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

It is the expectation at Penn . That does not mean it's going to happen every year . 

Which is okay in the current format but Penn spent how many years as the only “mega school” north of Hamilton County?

Just recently other schools have closed the gap as far as enrollment is concerned…and Elkhart might have already passed them on the field of play.

3 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Oh yes you do . There is a reason why you say you don't have a team . That way you can dish it and never have to take it . Troll

Who is my team?

Edited November 8, 2024 by temptation

[BLACKGOLD2007]

9 hours ago, danomyte said:

Just to keep the conversation going...... With CP's "weak" strength of schedule going into this game, IF they were to roll Penn by their typical 41-7 or 35-0 do they start to gain respect in some of the polls or is Penn another "weak" opponent? What needs to happen for an "ok, yeah they're legit" response after this game?

 

Is it 7:30 yet!?!?

If CP rolls Penn, it will be as expected. With How Penn has looked against somewhat competent defenses, they have struggled. 

If CP wins ugly like last year, or it is a defensive battle, then I think either we have to think CP is more towards the level of Penn rather than Penn being to the level of CP...at least that is how I will look at it. 

[Boilernation]

35-0. I’m not sure Geesman could have made a difference. Major difference in talent between Crown Point and Penn. The 99 yard TD drive for Crown Point in the 2nd quarter put the nail in the coffin. 

[BLACKGOLD2007]

6 hours ago, Boilernation said:

35-0. I’m not sure Geesman could have made a difference. Major difference in talent between Crown Point and Penn. The 99 yard TD drive for Crown Point in the 2nd quarter put the nail in the coffin. 

A Geesman lead team would have kept that game close. They may not have won, but they would have actually fought to defend their home field. CP is the better team....Penn has massive issues with entitlement and lack of competition from the depth chart. Some parents are saying there are underclassmen that are not playing to give the Seniors their chance....That would work...if you had a well oiled machine that gives your underclassmen playing time against varsity level competition...

This Penn team was bad. CP did what they had to do. They won the game in the first 3 minutes. 

Penn better scrap the depth chart, send the seniors away and actually start to build a culture that the players buy into....That was the most noticeable difference. CP players were bought in they were hyped and ready to play...Penn was lethargic. If this is what Penn football is going to be for the foreseeable future, I wont defend them anymore. I will honestly stop going to the games.  

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Geesman teams played better and more talented Ben Davis teams than that CP team. I am sorry... CP is good, not that good. 

 

[RegionFBFan]

19 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

Geesman teams played better and more talented Ben Davis teams than that CP team. I am sorry... CP is good, not that good. 

 

Uh huh! When was it a running clock?

CP rolls next week too.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

4 minutes ago, RegionFBFan said:

Uh huh! When was it a running clock?

CP rolls next week too.

I am sorry, how can you equate Geesman teams that won state titles against Ben Davis and Bloomington South and this Penn team that has not accomplished anything?

Beating Penn now by 35 is ho hum, beating a Geesman lead team by 35 didn't especially to region teams. 

[RegionFBFan]

5 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

I am sorry, how can you equate Geesman teams that won state titles against Ben Davis and Bloomington South and this Penn team that has not accomplished anything?

Beating Penn now by 35 is ho hum, beating a Geesman lead team by 35 didn't especially to region teams. 

Sir, I’m not equating it to anything especially not interested in expected outcomes vs a coach from the past period. Looking at in the present day, Penn got thumped like I expected with a running clock. I believe CP rolls Carroll next week also.

[BLACKGOLD2007]

Just now, RegionFBFan said:

Sir, I’m not equating it to anything especially not interested in expected outcomes vs a coach from the past period. Looking at in the present day, Penn got thumped like I expected with a running clock. I believe CP rolls Carroll next week also.

You brought Geesman into this, Did you mean to say, if Geesman was leading this specific team the result would have been the same?

Because That I would agree with, but do I think that the team may have at least tried. outcome probably very similar...but it takes CP longer to get to that point. Or the game ends 21-0 becasue a Geesman team traditionaly executed better and would be able to at least minimize possessions. 

[RegionFBFan]

2 minutes ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

You brought Geesman into this, Did you mean to say, if Geesman was leading this specific team the result would have been the same?

Because That I would agree with, but do I think that the team may have at least tried. outcome probably very similar...but it takes CP longer to get to that point. Or the game ends 21-0 becasue a Geesman team traditionaly executed better and would be able to at least minimize possessions. 

Sorry, I never brought up Geesman. Someone else did in earlier post above. 

[Boilernation]

6 hours ago, BLACKGOLD2007 said:

A Geesman lead team would have kept that game close. They may not have won, but they would have actually fought to defend their home field. CP is the better team....Penn has massive issues with entitlement and lack of competition from the depth chart. Some parents are saying there are underclassmen that are not playing to give the Seniors their chance....That would work...if you had a well oiled machine that gives your underclassmen playing time against varsity level competition...

This Penn team was bad. CP did what they had to do. They won the game in the first 3 minutes. 

Penn better scrap the depth chart, send the seniors away and actually start to build a culture that the players buy into....That was the most noticeable difference. CP players were bought in they were hyped and ready to play...Penn was lethargic. If this is what Penn football is going to be for the foreseeable future, I wont defend them anymore. I will honestly stop going to the games.  

What I was referring to regarding Geesman  had nothing to do with the MOV. I agree he would have been worth some points on the board and defensive stops. What I saw last night was a clear and decisive difference in talent between the 2 teams. And that really hurts when you consider how well coached and prepared CP is. Maybe I just don’t watch Penn enough, but I can’t remember the last I watched Penn play a DAC or SAC team and think the talent was decisively in favor of the opponent. It certainly wasn’t the case last year with Penn and Crown Point. Maybe the new coach will work out for you guys when the talent level increases. 
 

I watched the stream on Region Sports. Either the color commentator or play by play guy mentioned before the game started that they talked to some Penn fans while walking in who told them Penn was awful this year. 

[GOLDRUSH1985]

4 hours ago, Boilernation said:

What I was referring to regarding Geesman  had nothing to do with the MOV. I agree he would have been worth some points on the board and defensive stops. What I saw last night was a clear and decisive difference in talent between the 2 teams. And that really hurts when you consider how well coached and prepared CP is. Maybe I just don’t watch Penn enough, but I can’t remember the last I watched Penn play a DAC or SAC team and think the talent was decisively in favor of the opponent. It certainly wasn’t the case last year with Penn and Crown Point. Maybe the new coach will work out for you guys when the talent level increases. 
 

I watched the stream on Region Sports. Either the color commentator or play by play guy mentioned before the game started that they talked to some Penn fans while walking in who told them Penn was awful this year. 

Cory knew the cupboard was going to be bare this year, perfect time to retire .

[BTF]

3 minutes ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Cory knew the cupboard was going to be bare this year, perfect time to retire .

There's light at the end of the tunnel with an enrollment of 3500. Penn is a dream job. Is the pay scale on level with Indy suburban schools? Or do the coaches make peanuts like they do at most programs?

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, BTF said:

There's light at the end of the tunnel with an enrollment of 3500. Penn is a dream job. Is the pay scale on level with Indy suburban schools? Or do the coaches make peanuts like they do at most programs?

It’s a six figure program.

[BTF]

Just now, temptation said:

It’s a six figure program.

Then they need to start playing like it.