IU vs Notre Dame

[temptation]

17 minutes ago, BTF said:

1. Seriously? Franklin? Penn State? Most overrated program of the last decade.

2. No one doubts that IU was the beneficiary of an easy schedule. The committee along with any other reasonalbe fan agrees that it was the fashion in which they managed the hand they were dealt. The way they beat teams was pretty impressive. No one expected the Michigan game to be as close as it was, but now I think we all realize that Michigan is a different team now than they were in the first half of the season. 

1.  I think I agree but ND would be a close second.  Franklin has a Michigan/OSU problem…he is the opposite of Freeman, in that he usually beats who he is supposed to whereas Freeman is good for 1-2 head scratchers annually.

2.  I expected the Michigan game to be that close…because Michigan was by far the best defense they had played up to that point in the season and that still remains a fact.  Michigan’s JV QB was their Achilles heel.  But help is on the way.

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

5 hours ago, Bobref said:

You’ve demonstrated with this that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Please tell me what ND’s record against Navy is over the last 40 years? That will demonstrate that you don’t know what your talking about 

[Komets2727]

Love this bashing on IU’s schedule, but turn back the clock one year. Michigan and Washington played for the Natty, who knew that the following year both would tumble and be mediocre? Yet, people bash IU’s soft schedule in the Big 10. They play who they are scheduled against in the conference. Now, I can get on board with bashing their non conference schedule. They just followed the blueprint of almost the entire SEC when doing non conference schedule.

 

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, BTF said:

I don't think you're up to speed as to why Notre Dame chose the ACC, but it had nothing to do with "ducking" the Big Ten. We're talking about the most iconic football program in America here. 

Notre Dame will continue their committment with Navy regardless of whether or noth the Midshipmen go on a 200 game losing streak. You do know why, correct?

Let's compromise with 5/10. No way I'm giving you 2-3. That's laughable. 

Iconic? Cmon bro!!! When was that last Natty? Hell, when have they been actually relevant on a national stage over the last 30 years? Maybe 3-4 times. Every year, they recruit at a top 10 level and every year they flop. Iconic brands in college football are Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, etc… These are teams that win the Natty or are very close almost every year. Where is ND’s credentials in the last 30+ years to put them in that group? I will wait…

Edited December 13, 2024 by Komets2727

[temptation]

12 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Love this bashing on IU’s schedule, but turn back the clock one year. Michigan and Washington played for the Natty, who knew that the following year both would tumble and be mediocre? Yet, people bash IU’s soft schedule in the Big 10. They play who they are scheduled against in the conference. Now, I can get on board with bashing their non conference schedule. They just followed the blueprint of almost the entire SEC when doing non conference schedule.

 

Washington and Michigan both lost their entire offense to the NFL draft and turned over their entire coaching staffs.

The Huskies were unranked in the preseason and most publications had them as a mid-tier Big Ten team.

Michigan also turned over its staff, lost 10 starters and had 15 drafted last April.  They were ranked highly in the preseason based on name recognition and their elite defense which took time to gel under a new coordinator and lost its best player in week 7.

Anyone with a functional brain knew these two would take a step back

Once again, not IU’s fault but still factual.

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation

[Bash Riprock]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

1. Seriously? Franklin? Penn State? Most overrated program of the last decade.

2. No one doubts that IU was the beneficiary of an easy schedule. The committee along with any other reasonalbe fan agrees that it was the fashion in which they managed the hand they were dealt. The way they beat teams was pretty impressive. No one expected the Michigan game to be as close as it was, but now I think we all realize that Michigan is a different team now than they were in the first half of the season. 

Not a big disagreement about Franklin, but what has ND really done over the last decade as well? BTW, I am very fond of the Irish. 

[Komets2727]

27 minutes ago, temptation said:

Washington and Michigan both lost their entire offense to the NFL draft and turned over their entire coaching staffs.

The Huskies were unranked in the preseason and most publications had them as a mid-tier Big Ten team.

Michigan also turned over its staff, lost 10 starters and had 15 drafted last April.  They were ranked highly in the preseason based on name recognition and their elite defense which took time to gel under a new coordinator and lost its best player in week 7.

Anyone with a functional brain knew these two would take a step back

Once again, not IU’s fault but still factual.

I agree with you, but IU had no control over who they were scheduled with in the Big 10. IU has a tougher road next year for sure

[BTF]

21 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Not a big disagreement about Franklin, but what has ND really done over the last decade as well? BTW, I am very fond of the Irish. 

I'm really not in a fact checking mood at the moment. It seems like there's been some discussions in the past few years as to who the best programs are in the last decade. I feel like Notre Dame always popped up somewhere in that 5-7 range. It's hard to ignore all of the ten win seasons. I don't recall Penn State ever being brought into those conversations. 

[BTF]

37 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Iconic? Cmon bro!!! When was that last Natty? Hell, when have they been actually relevant on a national stage over the last 30 years? Maybe 3-4 times. Every year, they recruit at a top 10 level and every year they flop. Iconic brands in college football are Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, etc… These are teams that win the Natty or are very close almost every year. Where is ND’s credentials in the last 30+ years to put them in that group? I will wait…

You don't have to win a national championship to be iconic. Hell, you don't have to be a Top 50 program to attain a title like that. Relevance over the past 30 years is immaterial as well. You cant deny the Notre Dame brand on a national scale, I'm sorry, you just can't. 

[temptation]

11 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'm really not in a fact checking mood at the moment. It seems like there's been some discussions in the past few years as to who the best programs are in the last decade. I feel like Notre Dame always popped up somewhere in that 5-7 range. It's hard to ignore all of the ten win seasons. I don't recall Penn State ever being brought into those conversations. 

This sorta makes your point I guess…

(This was coming into this season.)

[Bobref]

Haters gonna’ hate.

They hate us … because they ain’t us.

😂🤣😅

[temptation]

8 minutes ago, BTF said:

You don't have to win a national championship to be iconic. Hell, you don't have to be a Top 50 program to attain a title like that. Relevance over the past 30 years is immaterial as well. You cant deny the Notre Dame brand on a national scale, I'm sorry, you just can't. 

Brand?  Sure.

Football program?  Eh…

[Komets2727]

1 minute ago, BTF said:

You don't have to win a national championship to be iconic. Hell, you don't have to be a Top 50 program to attain a title like that. Relevance over the past 30 years is immaterial as well. You cant deny the Notre Dame brand on a national scale, I'm sorry, you just can't. 

Sorry, not on board with ND being iconic. I think of quite a few schools before thinking about the Irish. The name does nothing for me. You really think that the kids today care about Knute Rockne? I bet that 80% of the kids today have no idea that Joe Montana played at ND, 100% of the kids would not know who Vegas Ferguson was or what position he played much less what school he went to. Here is iconic: Almost any kid playing basketball today still knows who Michael Jordan is, any kid for the next 30+ years will know who Tiger Woods is, they are iconic

[temptation]

1 minute ago, Bobref said:

Haters gonna’ hate.

They hate us … because they ain’t us.

😂🤣😅

What’s there been to hate for the last three decades?

To quote my favorite coach:  

“Whose got it better than us (Notre Dame in this case)?”

About 10 programs.

Edited December 14, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

What’s there been to hate for the last three decades?

To quote my favorite coach:  

“Whose got it better than us (Notre Dame in this case)?”

About 10 programs.

At least

[BTF]

9 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Sorry, not on board with ND being iconic. I think of quite a few schools before thinking about the Irish. The name does nothing for me. You really think that the kids today care about Knute Rockne? I bet that 80% of the kids today have no idea that Joe Montana played at ND, 100% of the kids would not know who Vegas Ferguson was or what position he played much less what school he went to. Here is iconic: Almost any kid playing basketball today still knows who Michael Jordan is, any kid for the next 30+ years will know who Tiger Woods is, they are iconic

You act like I'm alone in my opinion. 

https://tiptop25.com/topcolleges_all_time.html

[Komets2727]

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

You act like I'm alone in my opinion. 

https://tiptop25.com/topcolleges_all_time.html

Always more than 1 delusional person out there… lol

[BTF]

10 minutes ago, temptation said:

What’s there been to hate for the last three decades?

To quote my favorite coach:  

“Whose got it better than us (Notre Dame in this case)?”

About 10 programs.

Nah. I think the post you shared a few minutes ago hits the nail on the head. I guess if you go back 30 years Notre Dame may fall out of the Top 10. They had some rough years under Willingham, Weis, and Davie. CPF era? Boom, I'll roll with #6. All time? Number two is hard to argue, I think Alabama could make a case. Past 30 years? You may have a point. 

2 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Always more than 1 delusional person out there… lol

I think our definition of iconic is pretty far apart. 

[temptation]

26 minutes ago, BTF said:

You act like I'm alone in my opinion. 

https://tiptop25.com/topcolleges_all_time.html

Ok, ok.  Twist my arm.

This is the authority/gospel.

[BTF]

5 minutes ago, temptation said:

Ok, ok.  Twist my arm.

This is the authority/gospel.

Didn't figure I'd get much argument. And Michigan taught the game of football to Notre Dame, you can forever hold that over us if you'd like. 

[Bobref]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Please tell me what ND’s record against Navy is over the last 40 years? That will demonstrate that you don’t know what your talking about 

Again, you simply don’t get it. Notre Dame will never not play Navy. You don’t know the story, but it’s well documented. Do 5 min. of research.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Bobref

[Komets2727]

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

Again, you simply don’t get it. Notre Dame will never not play Navy. You don’t know the story, but it’s well documented. Do 5 min. of research.

5 minutes more than I want to put into it. I’ll pass. You know, the best part of Navy vs. Notre Dame was when Navy beat Notre Dame 3-4 years in a row with zero scholarship players while the Irish had top 5 recruiting classes each year and were still cheating. There you go, you got 2 minutes out of me

[Bash Riprock]

13 hours ago, Komets2727 said:

Love this bashing on IU’s schedule, but turn back the clock one year. Michigan and Washington played for the Natty, who knew that the following year both would tumble and be mediocre? Yet, people bash IU’s soft schedule in the Big 10. They play who they are scheduled against in the conference. Now, I can get on board with bashing their non conference schedule. They just followed the blueprint of almost the entire SEC when doing non conference schedule.

 

Ohio State opened season against 2 MAC teams and Marshall. No media member said a word. 
 

IU destroyed a Big 10 bowl team that OSU barely beat at the Shoe with a 4Q comeback yet people and the media “forget”.

IU beat both last year’s national champion and national champion runner up (latter with a backup QB and both teams are bowl teams this year)and it doesn’t count. But had another “blueblood” got those dubs, it would have absolutely been mentioned as a positive. 
 

It’s all about the name on the front of the jersey. IU’s a newcomer, they weren’t in the equation, they used to be the easy win, and the CFB establishment doesn’t like it….not one bit. 

[temptation]

59 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

Ohio State opened season against 2 MAC teams and Marshall. No media member said a word. 
 

IU destroyed a Big 10 bowl team that OSU barely beat at the Shoe with a 4Q comeback yet people and the media “forget”.

IU beat both last year’s national champion and national champion runner up (latter with a backup QB and both teams are bowl teams this year)and it doesn’t count. But had another “blueblood” got those dubs, it would have absolutely been mentioned as a positive. 
 

It’s all about the name on the front of the jersey. IU’s a newcomer, they weren’t in the equation, they used to be the easy win, and the CFB establishment doesn’t like it….not one bit. 

PLENTY of media members scoffed at OSU’s non-conference schedule…same folks that did the same to Michigan’s in 2023.

Say what you want but the one time that IU had a chance to prove the naysayers wrong, black beard and his army full of poisonous nuts ran them off the field.

Flexing about beating Washington and Michigan?  C’mon.

[BTF]

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

Flexing about beating Washington and Michigan?  C’mon.

Flexing about utterly manhandling a team that OSU struggled against. Flexing about beating three common opponants with Oregon by a larger margin than they did. The schedule isn't the greatest, but theres some bright spots.