IU vs Notre Dame

[temptation]

7 minutes ago, hondo17 said:

That's a valid point but we arent  talking about a dozen teams. I was talking about Indiana and Notre Dame as were others. 

If its a valid point then don't claim to be "tired of people dismissing Indiana."  Its sorta warranted.

Good part is they can shut everyone up in 8 days.

[Shoot_The_Hands]

20 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

Great insight. 
 

I was just commenting about the Irish run ranking being so good is because they are stronger with the run than the pass, thus they rely on their strength as they should. 
 

ND’s pass defense is good. Helps when a team plays 2 service academies. USC lit them up for 3 TDs and 360 yds passing. Not a stellar USC team.  
 

I do agree with the weather potential. IU can run the ball as well. Perhaps a reason for their run ranking not as good as ND, is because IU has a more balanced offense. 

I wouldn't say USC isn't a "stellar team." Up to the Notre Dame game, USC had a lead in the 4th quarter in every game they played. If they come out on the other end of those it is a completely different conversation. I think Notre Dame is one of the more physical teams in the country. In every game I have watched, the other team almost seems to be tapping out by the end of the game with exhaustion, obviously except for Norther Illinois. 

 

They simply take the will from other teams with great tackling and pounding the rock.

[hondo17]

3 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

Notre Dame schedules far into the future.  They have no control over what teams like Florida State, USC, Stanford etc, are going to have 5 or 10 years into the future.  Normally these teams would be formidable, which wasn't the case this year.  You don't get to pick and choose who you play from year to year.  That's one of the problems of being an independent.

Stop. The only reason they haven't fully joined a conference now is because outside of the big 12 and ACC... Notre Dame would struggle (big 10) or even compete (sec) for a conference title. 

 

 

[hondo17]

41 minutes ago, temptation said:

If its a valid point then don't claim to be "tired of people dismissing Indiana."  Its sorta warranted.

Good part is they can shut everyone up in 8 days.

I can still be tired of people dismissing indiana. 

Indiana is a solid football team deserving to be in. They have a very good qb, 2 solid backs, nice weapons on the outside and a pretty solid D. 

[RingLeader]

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[RingLeader]

Game is a toss-up to me. 
 

Will this be the game ND’s injuries prove fatal? 
loss of both DE’s and AA cornerback could prove huge here.  As well as two oline starters out.  Sooner or later has to catch up 

[PDB26]

1 hour ago, Shoot_The_Hands said:

I wouldn't say USC isn't a "stellar team." Up to the Notre Dame game, USC had a lead in the 4th quarter in every game they played. If they come out on the other end of those it is a completely different conversation. I think Notre Dame is one of the more physical teams in the country. In every game I have watched, the other team almost seems to be tapping out by the end of the game with exhaustion, obviously except for Norther Illinois. 

 

They simply take the will from other teams with great tackling and pounding the rock.

SC was definitely not stellar this year, but they have very good players and are much more of a threat than their record indicates. 

57 minutes ago, hondo17 said:

Notre Dame would struggle (big 10) or even compete (sec) for a conference title. 

I'll give you the SEC because that's a whole different world, but that Big 10 talk is certifiable. ND would regularly be in the top four in that league.

[PDB26]

8 minutes ago, RingLeader said:

Will this be the game ND’s injuries prove fatal? 
loss of both DE’s and AA cornerback could prove huge here.  As well as two oline starters out.  Sooner or later has to catch up 

I don't think it will be because of injuries if the Irish lose. This Notre Dame team is deeper than any I can remember in the past 30 years. They've been without the offensive and defensive linemen for almost the entire season, so they might as well be the starters out of camp––especially with the way the offensive line has developed. I won't say 15 is quite equal to what 20 brought in coverage, but he moves well and is longer and much more physical.

Edited December 12, 2024 by PDB26

[RingLeader]

42 minutes ago, PDB26 said:

I don't think it will be because of injuries if the Irish lose. This Notre Dame team is deeper than any I can remember in the past 30 years. They've been without the offensive and defensive linemen for almost the entire season, so they might as well be the starters out of camp––especially with the way the offensive line has developed. I won't say 15 is quite equal to what 20 brought in coverage, but he moves well and is longer and much more physical.

Good points and backups have played well. 

[PHJIrish]

2 hours ago, hondo17 said:

Stop. The only reason they haven't fully joined a conference now is because outside of the big 12 and ACC... Notre Dame would struggle (big 10) or even compete (sec) for a conference title. 

 

 

That's your opinion.  Notre Dame is independent because they wish to be independent.  There may come a time when they need to join a conference, but that time hasn't come yet.  In fact, the Irish do have some conference ties, basketball in the ACC and hockey in the Big 18.

[Bash Riprock]

3 hours ago, Shoot_The_Hands said:

I wouldn't say USC isn't a "stellar team." Up to the Notre Dame game, USC had a lead in the 4th quarter in every game they played. If they come out on the other end of those it is a completely different conversation. I think Notre Dame is one of the more physical teams in the country. In every game I have watched, the other team almost seems to be tapping out by the end of the game with exhaustion, obviously except for Norther Illinois. 

 

They simply take the will from other teams with great tackling and pounding the rock.

USC is not a stellar team this season. Good team…not a stellar team. Just saying USC was more than effective against ND with the pass. My comment was in reference to the comment about ND’s pass defense ranking. 

Edited December 13, 2024 by Bash Riprock

[Bash Riprock]

[BTF]

13 hours ago, hondo17 said:

Stop. The only reason they haven't fully joined a conference now is because outside of the big 12 and ACC... Notre Dame would struggle (big 10) or even compete (sec) for a conference title. 

So Notre Dame doesn't join a conference becasue they are afraid? Good Lord, not sure this is even worth a response. 

[BTF]

12 hours ago, RingLeader said:

Game is a toss-up to me. 
 

Will this be the game ND’s injuries prove fatal? 
loss of both DE’s and AA cornerback could prove huge here.  As well as two oline starters out.  Sooner or later has to catch up 

Coaches are evolving. At one time it was trendy to focus on skill players first, linemen second. That changed, and is the reason now you see more linemen being drafted in the top five positions more than ever before. The same now can be said for depth. And it's the reason some of your better coaches win year after year. An injury.............or two, three, or four, doesn't always change the trajectory of a national title. These coaches have depth and they know how to develop it and make sure they're prepared when it's that players turn to step up. The one caveat to this is the quarterback position. This position alone typically determines a head coach's long term position at a program where he's making millions per year. 

[Footballking16]

Lottery ticket winners have just hit the secondary market this morning. Going to be a lot of red next week. Get-in prices now under $500

[RingLeader]

If it’s 20 degrees and snowing guessing QB legs will be important as throwing will be difficult

Leonard 124 carries 721 yds 14 Td

Rourke   41 carries  -25 yds  2 Td

[hondo17]

4 hours ago, BTF said:

So Notre Dame doesn't join a conference becasue they are afraid? Good Lord, not sure this is even worth a response. 

I don't think I said the word afraid at all in my post.

 

 

 

[Footballking16]

28 minutes ago, RingLeader said:

If it’s 20 degrees and snowing guessing QB legs will be important as throwing will be difficult

Leonard 124 carries 721 yds 14 Td

Rourke   41 carries  -25 yds  2 Td

One team has already had the benefit of playing a snow game while the other played in 75 degree weather out in LA.

IU put up 66 points and nearly 600 yards of offense in a snow game last time out....granted, it was against Pudue.

[hondo17]

15 hours ago, PHJIrish said:

That's your opinion.  Notre Dame is independent because they wish to be independent.  There may come a time when they need to join a conference, but that time hasn't come yet.  In fact, the Irish do have some conference ties, basketball in the ACC and hockey in the Big 18.

You can tell yourself that and we arent talking about basketball or Hockey. We are talking about football and Notre Dame knows being mainly an independent gives them better chances to make a major bowl game then being in the SEC or Big 10. 

[hondo17]

17 hours ago, PDB26 said:

SC was definitely not stellar this year, but they have very good players and are much more of a threat than their record indicates. 

I'll give you the SEC because that's a whole different world, but that Big 10 talk is certifiable. ND would regularly be in the top four in that league.

Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Oregon. 

Yeah ND isn't finishing top 4 most years. 

[BTF]

13 minutes ago, hondo17 said:

Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Oregon. 

Yeah ND isn't finishing top 4 most years. 

What island have you been living on the past 10 years? Ohio State is the only program that would regularly finish ahead of the Irish. I've gotta laugh Penn State most years. Granted, they're pretty solid this year. But this is their best season in a long time and I still have Notre Dame winning that game. Notre Dame goes 50/50 most years with Michigan and Oregon. "Yeah, ND isn't finishing top 4 most years" is 100% false. Over a ten year timespan, that may be true three times. 

[BTF]

18 hours ago, hondo17 said:

Stop. The only reason they haven't fully joined a conference now is because outside of the big 12 and ACC... Notre Dame would struggle (big 10) or even compete (sec) for a conference title. 

That pretty much equates to "afraid."

[Bash Riprock]

49 minutes ago, BTF said:

What island have you been living on the past 10 years? Ohio State is the only program that would regularly finish ahead of the Irish. I've gotta laugh Penn State most years. Granted, they're pretty solid this year. But this is their best season in a long time and I still have Notre Dame winning that game. Notre Dame goes 50/50 most years with Michigan and Oregon. "Yeah, ND isn't finishing top 4 most years" is 100% false. Over a ten year timespan, that may be true three times. 

Only 2nd to OSU….

Edited December 13, 2024 by Bash Riprock

[Komets2727]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

What island have you been living on the past 10 years? Ohio State is the only program that would regularly finish ahead of the Irish. I've gotta laugh Penn State most years. Granted, they're pretty solid this year. But this is their best season in a long time and I still have Notre Dame winning that game. Notre Dame goes 50/50 most years with Michigan and Oregon. "Yeah, ND isn't finishing top 4 most years" is 100% false. Over a ten year timespan, that may be true three times. 

BTF, ND has been ducking joining the Big 10 for years. They decided to play 5 teams in the ACC annually instead, which has been a cakewalk for the Irish. How does that make sense? Join the Big 10 and play teams in the Midwest or let’s travel South where we can play cupcakes. Then, the Irish continue the charade of playing Navy each year, MAC schools who they inexplicably lose to, and then whine when they have no chance to get a bye in the CFP. 

As far as Notre Dame finishing in the top 4 in the Big 10, maybe 2-3 times they do in a 10 year cycle, certainly not 7-8 times as you suggest. This year might have been a year where they finish in the top 4, but most years, nah. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Oregon, Washington and then the middle of the conference where teams like Iowa, Wisconsin, now possibly Indiana, USC. None of those are guaranteed wins for the Irish. We can all bash Michigan and Washington this year, but remember, those teams played for the national title last year. Both those teams will reload in the future. The ACC is a joke and that’s where ND hangs their hat…
 

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

What island have you been living on the past 10 years? Ohio State is the only program that would regularly finish ahead of the Irish. I've gotta laugh Penn State most years. Granted, they're pretty solid this year. But this is their best season in a long time and I still have Notre Dame winning that game. Notre Dame goes 50/50 most years with Michigan and Oregon. "Yeah, ND isn't finishing top 4 most years" is 100% false. Over a ten year timespan, that may be true three times. 

I need to know what time frame we are talking before officially entering the conversation.  Michigan is one of a handful of programs that has a winning record against ND all-time and is 6-4 (6-3 if you wanna take away the vacated ND win in 2012) all-time against the Irish.

Two of UM's worst coaches in program history (Brady Hoke (2-1 (2-2 if you wanna give ND 2012)) and Rich Rodriguez (2-1) even beat Notre Dame.

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by temptation