Hoosier Hills Conference

[Impartial_Observer]

FC

Jeff

Seymour

BHSN

[Fkfootball]

8 hours ago, ptr said:

I can't help but think that the football coaches in the HHC would have to be or be somewhat lukewarm to having Bloom. South and Col. North joining the HHC. It could be a case of those two programs dominating the football side of things, unless there is more student involvement, player-wise, from the other HHC programs. I know that South had 93 players report for the first official practice this year in grades 10-12, so they still have a lot of involvement from students. I don't know what the numbers were like at Col. North. Maybe I'm all wet on this, but I could see that being the case.

I don't think Coach Bragg would have any problem with it. I think coach Tidd at BNL and coach Moore at Seymour are pretty competitive guys so I don't think they would either. I want a strong conference. As a Floyd Central fan/alumni, I realize that records really don't matter. Yeah it looks good to rack up wins. But I'd rather have a team that is battle tested before they play the Castles and E-North's of the world in Sectionals. I'd be down for CN and BS. Absolutely.

Edited October 2, 2025 by Fkfootball

[Frozen Tundra]

2 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

I don't think Coach Bragg would have any problem with it. I think coach Tidd at BNL and coach Moore at Seymour are pretty competitive guys so I don't think they would either. I want a strong conference. As a Floyd Central fan/alumni, I realize that records really don't matter. Yeah it looks good to rack up wins. But I'd rather have a team that is battle tested before they play the Castles and E-North's of the world in Sectionals. I'd be down for CN and BS. Absolutely.

Yeah look at the Summit Athletic Conference. Fort Wayne Bishop Luers is a 2A-sized school playing in a conference containing the following:

Fort Wayne Northrop (6A)

Carroll (Fort Wayne) (6A)

Homestead (6A)

Fort Wayne Snider (5A-sized school)

Fort Wayne North Side (5A)

Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger (4A)

Fort Wayne South Side (4A)

Fort Wayne Wayne (4A)

Fort Wayne Concordia (3A)

Most years, Luers will be anything between 3-6 and 6-3 heading into the postseason and yet they’ll be one of the last 2 or 4 teams remaining because their conference schedule prepared them for the 2A or 3A (when they play up) state tournament.

[Fkfootball]

19 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Yeah look at the Summit Athletic Conference. Fort Wayne Bishop Luers is a 2A-sized school playing in a conference containing the following:

Fort Wayne Northrop (6A)

Carroll (Fort Wayne) (6A)

Homestead (6A)

Fort Wayne Snider (5A-sized school)

Fort Wayne North Side (5A)

Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger (4A)

Fort Wayne South Side (4A)

Fort Wayne Wayne (4A)

Fort Wayne Concordia (3A)

Most years, Luers will be anything between 3-6 and 6-3 heading into the postseason and yet they’ll be one of the last 2 or 4 teams remaining because their conference schedule prepared them for the 2A or 3A (when they play up) state tournament.

Who are the powerhouses in that conference?

[Frozen Tundra]

27 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Who are the powerhouses in that conference?

Snider (although they’re really down this year), Dwenger, and Carroll are the most consistent. Homestead was a powerhouse up until they fell off a few years ago but they’re decent this year. Northrop is typically terrible but they’re loaded this year. North Side is pretty decent this year as well.

[btownqbcoach1]

8 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Yeah look at the Summit Athletic Conference. Fort Wayne Bishop Luers is a 2A-sized school playing in a conference containing the following:

Fort Wayne Northrop (6A)

Carroll (Fort Wayne) (6A)

Homestead (6A)

Fort Wayne Snider (5A-sized school)

Fort Wayne North Side (5A)

Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger (4A)

Fort Wayne South Side (4A)

Fort Wayne Wayne (4A)

Fort Wayne Concordia (3A)

Most years, Luers will be anything between 3-6 and 6-3 heading into the postseason and yet they’ll be one of the last 2 or 4 teams remaining because their conference schedule prepared them for the 2A or 3A (when they play up) state tournament.

Luers is not up for success factor. Their enrollment is 3A. 

[btownqbcoach1]

CN and BS are better off independent. They're close enough to Indy to make that work.  

BS can schedule Castle/Reitz now that Vincennes is getting out of the SIAC.. they can also schedule the Terre Haute consolidation.. along with Martinsville, Mooresville, Bloom North, and they should try to get an arrangement with East Central. But again, they can play multiple Indy schools. BNL would be a good option.  

North, obviously the Indy schools are easy, they can look at cinci/some Louisville schools, too. 

Franklin/Whiteland are both solid options, too. 

Absolute malpractice some of these ideas. 

[Impartial_Observer]

7 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

Snider (although they’re really down this year), Dwenger, and Carroll are the most consistent. Homestead was a powerhouse up until they fell off a few years ago but they’re decent this year. Northrop is typically terrible but they’re loaded this year. North Side is pretty decent this year as well.

Agree Snider is probably the class of the field, again in regards to my earlier post about 5A, Snider should win 5A every year and they seldom even challenge. 

[Frozen Tundra]

1 hour ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

Luers is not up for success factor. Their enrollment is 3A. 

They had gained the six points needed during the 2022 and 2023 seasons to move up to 3A for 2025 and 2026 due to the success factor. However, they also have 21 more students than the two largest 2A schools. So it looks like they would’ve moved up anyway.

 

1 hour ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

CN and BS are better off independent. They're close enough to Indy to make that work.  

BS can schedule Castle/Reitz now that Vincennes is getting out of the SIAC.. they can also schedule the Terre Haute consolidation.. along with Martinsville, Mooresville, Bloom North, and they should try to get an arrangement with East Central. But again, they can play multiple Indy schools. BNL would be a good option.  

North, obviously the Indy schools are easy, they can look at cinci/some Louisville schools, too. 

Franklin/Whiteland are both solid options, too. 

Absolute malpractice some of these ideas. 

What ideas are you referring to?

[btownqbcoach1]

26 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

They had gained the six points needed during the 2022 and 2023 seasons to move up to 3A for 2025 and 2026 due to the success factor. However, they also have 21 more students than the two largest 2A schools. So it looks like they would’ve moved up anyway.

 

What ideas are you referring to?

I'm not trying to sound "too disrespectful" on a public forum. 

I just vehemently disagree that these two schools going to the HHC is a good idea for basically anyone. 

[Frozen Tundra]

40 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

I'm not trying to sound "too disrespectful" on a public forum. 

I just vehemently disagree that these two schools going to the HHC is a good idea for basically anyone. 

I don’t think anyone here is saying they “should” move to the HHC. It’s just something we would like to see. We all want the conference to be better. Bringing in those two schools definitely makes the conference better. Those two would likely dominate football but they’d have some competition in other sports for sure. That’s not to say they wouldn’t win most of the conference championships each sports season but there are some good basketball, baseball, and wrestling programs (for example) in the HHC already. And Floyd Central is pretty good at the country club sports.

What Bloomington South and Columbus North get in return is some ease on scheduling. Center Grove and Carmel are rejoining the MIC next year because their ADs have had a rough time trying to nail down scheduling year after year for each sport. And while those are mega schools who likely have a harder time than most trying to find willing competitors, I have heard from many people over the years associated with independent schools that it can be quite challenging locking down opponents. It’s especially hardest in football due to playing one game a week for nine weeks and most teams have conference obligations that lock them in for particular weeks.

If Bloomington South and Columbus North can make independence work then they should go for it. However, they also have the option to make the HHC a temporary home until something better opens up for them.

[Fkfootball]

1 hour ago, Frozen Tundra said:

I don’t think anyone here is saying they “should” move to the HHC. It’s just something we would like to see. We all want the conference to be better. Bringing in those two schools definitely makes the conference better. Those two would likely dominate football but they’d have some competition in other sports for sure. That’s not to say they wouldn’t win most of the conference championships each sports season but there are some good basketball, baseball, and wrestling programs (for example) in the HHC already. And Floyd Central is pretty good at the country club sports.

What Bloomington South and Columbus North get in return is some ease on scheduling. Center Grove and Carmel are rejoining the MIC next year because their ADs have had a rough time trying to nail down scheduling year after year for each sport. And while those are mega schools who likely have a harder time than most trying to find willing competitors, I have heard from many people over the years associated with independent schools that it can be quite challenging locking down opponents. It’s especially hardest in football due to playing one game a week for nine weeks and most teams have conference obligations that lock them in for particular weeks.

If Bloomington South and Columbus North can make independence work then they should go for it. However, they also have the option to make the HHC a temporary home until something better opens up for them.

I agree with this.

Edited October 2, 2025 by Fkfootball

[Fkfootball]

2 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

I'm not trying to sound "too disrespectful" on a public forum. 

I just vehemently disagree that these two schools going to the HHC is a good idea for basically anyone. 

Floyd Central is capable of beating those schools in anything. I think BNL and Jeffersonville can compete with them too. Football might be a little bit of a struggle but that's it.

Edited October 2, 2025 by Fkfootball

[Frozen Tundra]

3 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Floyd Central is capable of beating those schools in anything. I think BNL and Jeffersonville can compete with them too. 

Not football. Nobody is beating them in football unless they are historically bad or unless we’re on the level of Columbus East from 2004-2020.

[btownqbcoach1]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball said:

Floyd Central is capable of beating those schools in anything. I think BNL and Jeffersonville can compete with them too. Football might be a little bit of a struggle but that's it.

Columbus North beat Whiteland 49-7 this season... 

 

[ptr]

2 hours ago, Frozen Tundra said:

What Bloomington South and Columbus North get in return is some ease on scheduling. Center Grove and Carmel are rejoining the MIC next year because their ADs have had a rough time trying to nail down scheduling year after year for each sport. And while those are mega schools who likely have a harder time than most trying to find willing competitors, I have heard from many people over the years associated with independent schools that it can be quite challenging locking down opponents. It’s especially hardest in football due to playing one game a week for nine weeks and most teams have conference obligations that lock them in for particular weeks.

If Bloomington South and Columbus North can make independence work then they should go for it. However, they also have the option to make the HHC a temporary home until something better opens up for them.

You are spot on as far as the scheduling goes as an independent. It can be a real hassle and I think the ADs at both Col. North and Bloom. South would want to avoid that if possible, and you are right about Center Grove and Carmel rejoining the MIC over the scheduling hurdle they faced each season. 

If both those schools don't move on to the HHC, they may very well end up being independent at least for one year. I wish I was inside JR Holmes' head as to what he's thinking and planning. 

[mamasa]

Floyd Central

Jeffersonville

Jennings Co

Bloomington North

[btownqbcoach1]

45 minutes ago, ptr said:

You are spot on as far as the scheduling goes as an independent. It can be a real hassle and I think the ADs at both Col. North and Bloom. South would want to avoid that if possible, and you are right about Center Grove and Carmel rejoining the MIC over the scheduling hurdle they faced each season. 

If both those schools don't move on to the HHC, they may very well end up being independent at least for one year. I wish I was inside JR Holmes' head as to what he's thinking and planning. 

North and South wouldnt have half the difficulties CG and Carmel do. 

I'm still not sure what the HHC solves for either of them? 

Right now, South has 5 games (6 until TH consolidates) that would be easy to play every year East, Martinsville, Bloom North, THS/THN and Columbus North... 

Plus already have Brebuef scheduled.. 

Scheduling Castle, Reitz, Plainfield, Danville, East Central, BNL, Roncalli, Chatard... is all that difficult? 

Edited October 2, 2025 by btownqbcoach1

[Frozen Tundra]

39 minutes ago, ptr said:

You are spot on as far as the scheduling goes as an independent. It can be a real hassle and I think the ADs at both Col. North and Bloom. South would want to avoid that if possible, and you are right about Center Grove and Carmel rejoining the MIC over the scheduling hurdle they faced each season. 

If both those schools don't move on to the HHC, they may very well end up being independent at least for one year. I wish I was inside JR Holmes' head as to what he's thinking and planning. 

I don’t know if the HHC would do it but I wonder if they would consider allowing Bloomington South and Columbus North to be non-football members. As I stated before, both schools are honestly too good for the HHC in football but there would be stiffer competition in the other sports. I know Bloomington South has played Jennings County and Floyd Central the last 11 years (although JC is no longer on the schedule) and they’ve played BNL, Columbus East, and New Albany going back even longer than that.

[btownqbcoach1]

3 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

I don’t know if the HHC would do it but I wonder if they would consider allowing Bloomington South and Columbus North to be non-football members. As I stated before, both schools are honestly too good for the HHC in football but there would be stiffer competition in the other sports. I know Bloomington South has played Jennings County and Floyd Central the last 11 years (although JC is no longer on the schedule) and they’ve played BNL, Columbus East, and New Albany going back even longer than that.

Oh yeah it'd be great in nearly every other sport/they all basically play in every other sport now. 

[Frozen Tundra]

5 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

North and South wouldnt have half the difficulties CG and Carmel do. 

I'm still not sure what the HHC solves for either of them? 

Right now, South has 5 games (6 until TH consolidates) that would be easy to play every year East, Martinsville, Bloom North, THS/THN and Columbus North... 

Plus already have Brebuef scheduled.. 

Scheduling Castle, Reitz, Plainfield, Danville, East Central, BNL, Roncalli, Chatard... is all that difficult? 

1. Depends on when those teams have an opening and whether it impedes on the opening of another school you mentioned. For instance, will Bloomington North fill Greenwood’s spot in the Mid-State schedule? If so, the rivalry game with Bloomington South gets moved to week 1 or week 2. And if the rivalry game does move, which non-conference opponent gets dropped? Is it  BNL, Jeffersonville, or Columbus East. The path of least resistance says you schedule Bloomington South in week 1 so you can keep the BNL game for week 2 instead of having to search for a new non-conference opponent. But does week 1 work best for Bloomington South?

2. Also depends on if those schools even want to play Bloomington South and/or Columbus North. Would Castle and/or Reitz really want to make that long of a drive in the regular season?

There are several factors at play here. Football scheduling is like a jigsaw puzzle. We all want certain pieces to fit into place but that doesn’t always mean they’re going to. Again, if Bloomington South and Columbus North can make independence work in football then I think that’s the best path for them in order to challenge themselves.

13 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said:

I don’t know if the HHC would do it but I wonder if they would consider allowing Bloomington South and Columbus North to be non-football members. As I stated before, both schools are honestly too good for the HHC in football but there would be stiffer competition in the other sports. I know Bloomington South has played Jennings County and Floyd Central the last 11 years (although JC is no longer on the schedule) and they’ve played BNL, Columbus East, and New Albany going back even longer than that.

In case anyone was wondering, I was referencing boys basketball here.

[Fkfootball]

1 hour ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

Columbus North beat Whiteland 49-7 this season... 

 

Floyd Central fumbled 4 times on their own 20 yard line or they probably would've beaten Whiteland. And I did say "probably struggle with them in football." 

Edited October 2, 2025 by Fkfootball

[Frozen Tundra]

Still need week 7 picks from @gonzoron and @Goose10. Please be sure to get them in by 7 PM tomorrow in order to remain in the main competition.

[Fkfootball]

8 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Floyd Central fumbled 4 times on their own 20 yard line or they probably would've beaten Whiteland. And I did say "probably struggle with them in football." 

3 fumbles and int*

[btownqbcoach1]

8 minutes ago, Fkfootball said:

Floyd Central fumbled 4 times on their own 20 yard line or they probably would've beaten Whiteland. And I did say "probably struggle with them in football." 

I can't believe you actually typed that.