Titan32

You didn't address it. How will GS perform minus the kids that you guys don't have to deal with as a 2A private school? Do you think they will collect any more hardware or wins in general in the sports they chose to focus on or get community support in? What would their football, girls basketball, softball and soccer results look like? Do you think that paying for an education earns you the right to that advantage? Assuming you sent your kids to Memorial, why do you? Your "real world" examples don't really prove your point. The first one (Mater Dei) another private, might work to prove my point more so than yours. Since 2010 (in 11 Seasons the following is true) Memorial vs Jasper is 4-7 with an average point differential in those 7 losses of 19 points. Memorial enrollment 609. Jasper enrollment 1105. Since 2010 (in 11 Seasons the following is true) Memorial vs Mater Dei is 4-7 with an average point differential in those 7 losses of (oddly enough) 19 points. Mater Dei enrollment 497. Since 2010 (in 11 Seasons the following is true) Memorial vs Reitz is 5-6 with an average point differential in those 6 losses of (yes you guessed it 19 points) Reitz enrollment 1378. In summary Mater Dei competes with Memorial at literally the same level as does Jasper and Reitz, by your own admission two history and tradition rich programs. They do this with less than half the enrollment. Wouldn't it be interesting if there were a public school in the SIAC with an enrollment of 500-700 kids with some of the criteria we here on the GID say are necessary to have a successful program? If there were I KNOW what the results would look like and you do to. Perhaps Vincennes is going to be a nice representation of just that. Let's sit back and see how the SIAC works out for them in regards to their record against the privates. I'm not making a prediction...but it's going to be interesting none the less. Vincennes enrollment 735.

No offense my Patriot friend...but this QB throws WAY better than the one at HH last year. They both are great runners but one (SR) is about Power and the other (HH) was about quickness and elusiveness. Bring a good run defense that understands through familiarity what they are going to see. It's tough when you don't deal with it on a regular basis and even then it provides many challenges particular when there are some athletic kids in the mix.

In a "where is Waldo" shot gun wing T offense, it is easy for defenders to get very caught up in being locked into their run keys. This makes the surprise homerun pass very effective.

And you won't address my hypothetical above resulting in more trophies, because you know its a fact. Please don't take my posts as any sort of anything directed at Memorial specifically. I do not intend that at all. I wasn't even thinking about Memorial other than my All SIAC comment. My "once a decade" comment was all things being equal a private will punch above its "enrollment" every time when it has all the other things in place. It has a HUGE unfair advantage in quality human capital per capita in the building. All sports...all he time...especially the ones it can attract like minded customers for that are willing to pay for the service.

Even at a 4 star public like GS with very low free and assisted numbers...I recently asked a GS grad (super smart kid), what he thought the percentage of kids who don't participate in ANYthing at all and simply just take up space. His guess was 15%....although this isn't very scientific, my estimation is that it's pretty close. I'm not even going to finish this point because you know the truth and you know it affects outcomes in athletics when using enrollment alone as classification criteria. Hypothetically take those (15%) kids away from GS and classify the school as a 2A private. Would GS be any more successful in any sports boys or girls? My guess is that across multiple boys and girls sports we start to look like super hard working Catholic kids (that attend Mass and tithe) with amazing coaches that work for pennies in meager facilities AND collect a LOT more trophies. But that is just a guess.

14A is the only reason we don't have a real, comprehensive, fair and equitable way to classify private businesses vs public schools in Indiana for competition. In addition, Indiana just doesn't have enough privates to do a seperate tournament for privates like some states enjoy. They had to be creative and find something that appeared to also "throttle" the publics as well as privates.

Must be a bunch of Baptist genes on that team then!

No ever said where they would put their 10 grand in this highly hypothetical (or is it) scenario.

I didn't say the private would get the best athletes in the city...or the once in a decade Harrison athletes, but I did say the public's would have those guys once in a decade. Amazing how Memorial and Castle battle for the overall conference titles in both boys and girls sports many years. Has to be the hard working Catholic culture passed down genetically from the SWI Catholic immigrants at the turn of the century...or perhaps the meagerly paid superior coaches? or ...could it possibly be more student athletes that actually participate in extra curricular activities per enrollment at Memorial that enable it to punch above it's enrollment figure?

What? Now you are just getting silly. No one sited economic status as an excuse for not being on a level playing field with in High School academics, sports or life. If you knew my background you would be embarrassed. Trying to suggest or change this argument into something at the individual level is ridiculous. Any quality seed where grow almost any place is is planted. You and I both know the nature of paying for a garden attracts MANY more quality seeds.

Actually life does work this way. In my profession I was able to rise above my peers through hard work....but we all started on an equal playing field. Enrollment alone does not do that...I'm shocked you don't see that.

Did Memorial work harder to gain this advantage...or is it just a function of being able to buy the ability to get Johny on a team with the other quality success driven Soccer players?

Close...but at the end of the day there are more quality humans per capita at the private. How could anyone argue otherwise? How many kids are at Memorial are there just to take up space in comparison to an equally sized (per enrollment) public? I think the argument can easily be made that Castle and Memorial have a vary similar number of quality student athletes walking the halls.

Another valuable life lesson might be to always be honest with oneself. With all due respect your position on this is a convenient mix of chest thumping and sticking your head in the sand. There are certain criteria that programs which win a lot of games have in common. These aren't necessarily mine but they are the ones typically mentioned here on the GID and they are in no particular order: quality feeder program, quality strength and agility systems, quality staff, community support and admin support. I don't recall the consensus here on GID including coaching salaries or fancy facilities. Those might be nice to have but hopefully we can all agree they aren't necessary to win more games than you lose. The football guy in me almost falls for the "try harder" argument every time I see it on here, every year, over and over and over, but at the end of the day it's just machismo and conjecture. Let's face it, about the only thing in common with the P/P model and public model as a means of education is that they both have books and teenagers in the building. One is a free legal requirement, the other offers a commodity. In fact, it is a crime in Indiana to not educate your child between the ages of 7 and 16. Every public school, no matter how "affluent" their geographic based demographic is, have a percentage "X" of the student population that is only there because they have to be and another group, only marginally more motivated than the "have to be there group", that just kind of does what is required to get by. All of my public school teacher friends reading this know exactly what I am talking about. In stark contrast, when what you offer is a commodity, the ability to purchase a seat next to a like minded academically motivated quality student athlete, as a parent you expect/demand results for that purchase. It's a free market service in which one can purchase the taylored academic/athletic experience of your choice. Some families make huge sacrifices to purchase this service, they do so because the value is tremendous (academically and athletically) and has the likelihood of producing life long results. Let's just say hypothetically that we have two secondary "schools", one public and one private both participating in the sport of football, both with all of the above qualities that the GID has determined to be necessary in order be successful ...AND...we will even kick in your coaches salaries and facilities....all equal. Heck, we can even say the public is in a "good neighborhood" (meaning low free and assisted lunch kids etc.). In addition, both schools have the exact same enrollment. Now, you have to bet $10,000 on which team will win more games over a decade. Where do you put your chips?? Everyone reading this knows which team will win more games given an equal schedule. It will play out that the public school will have ONE once in a decade team in which its random human capital will exceed the predicable human capital of the private school. Said another way, I would pick the private school to win more games 9 of the 10 years, they will always have a higher number of quality athletes per capita. To be clear I am not arguing for multiplier 2.0 or that success factor is perfect. I am arguing that enrollment alone was really really broken. It is simply not true that all things being equal privates are on the same playing field as publics. It's simply not true that enrollment alone is an equitable way to "rate" these two vastly different educational models against each other for athletic competition.

SF has flaws and I didn't mention it in my post. Let's go back to a world without it....in that world do you honestly believe enrollment alone is an equitable way to rank pay vs non-pay institutions for competitive classification in Indiana High School athletics? (yes or no)

Once again, a post that questions the "toughness" of anyone who would bring into question the inequities/rules that line P/Ps trophy cases. You seem pretty thoughtful in your posts and reasonably intelligent although this one is more tongue in cheek. I am just a country boy (not even a caveman lawyer), so let me see if I understand correctly. Are you saying that enrollment alone is an equitable way to rank pay vs non-pay institutions for competitive classification in Indiana High School athletics?

Well done SR!

Good luck to all the SIAC schools still in the hunt tonight!

Don't pull me into this LOL! I can say both teams were battle tested from the PAC. Southridge in the shotgun wing T is hard to prepare for because even if you can run the plays on scout, game speed is a whole different animal. Coach B. will add a little bit to the play book each week as well. Should be a fun game.

We had a local bar actually advertise to come watch the game on one of these links....I set them straight. If a bad guy does this nation wide....seems like a lucrative business model.

Beware of fake links to various indiana games on youtube...they are designed to steal your credit card number.

Sullivan is a solid program.....best of luck to the Golden Arrows!

I saw someone on facebook from GS post they have a couple spare tickets...pm me for his phone number if interested.

I'll save you a seat up top!