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Just busting your balls as usual. Kelly and Harbaugh are 1-1 head to head. I respect Kelly’s coaching ability and think it is honestly splitting hairs. Michigan is not quite ND academically but is also not chopped liver so spare me the “smart kids” line.

Just curious about what happened the last time Kelly/Harbaugh squared off?

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Awesome story man. Thanks for sharing.

So you are saying we need more white players to balance it out?

A combined 10-54 in 2021.

16 if you count Manti Teo’s girlfriend.

Not a Boiler. Just a realist.

No.

Seconded.

No. Absolutely not. Doesn’t fit the victim narrative. As a matter of fact, I’m offended you used the word “toxic” as most toxic waste is BLACK. How dare you?

🙄Sigh, not this again… One person’s inferiority complex is another person’s passion. Maybe if the Hoosiers had more of it and didn’t look down their noses pretending the Boilers aren’t important to them, they would not be recycling coaches every 4-5 years and would beat them more often. Just a thought.

Interesting.

Been hearing that Indiana is in the process of becoming a “football state” for over a decade now. Of course, I have also been told for THREE decades that the US is on the precipice of becoming a global power in soccer too.

Eh, not to detract from this thrilling conversation but I’d say that basketball is still king in SWI and it isn’t particularly close. What am I missing here?

Why did I read this as “escorts” the first time, lol?

Rodgers = MVP Common sense prevails.

You root like hell for Purdue to lose in March because your team is never playing. I can relate because, before this year, rooting against OSU in the college football playoff was all I had. 2020 WAS the outlier year. Now your are using “clowned?” Is that a synonym of “owned?” You really have an interesting vocabulary. It’s constantly changing. Let’s just walk away agreeing on this point. Michigan is, at minimum, a top 11 program under Harbaugh. You’d take it…

1. So now it’s “big games?” ND has dominated its “rivals” in USC and Navy (lol) and won at home against Clemson last year. Who gets to decide what’s a big game? There are tons of things for programs to negative recruit and bowl games are low on the list. How many teams would trade places with the Irish and dream of getting to the playoff? 2. Your comparison of Indiana basketball still does not fit dude. IU Basketball fans talk out of both sides of their mouths. You pretend Purdue is irrelevant and then you rush the floor when you beat them. Your annual March tradition is rooting for them to lose in the tournament so you can somehow throw shade and brag about your “banners.” At least Michigan football’s rivals are winning conference championships and OSU even won a title. 3. I gave you the win/loss records of the programs in question that you had around Michigan. Each of them has had one solid year (more so in the case of a couple) but the ones you mentioned also had that year where they missed bowl eligibility (which is embarrassing in the current college football world where over 50% of the country gets a bowl bid). Michigan’s “down year” was 8-5. 4. If 4-3 is “owned” then Purdue is using a ball gag on IU in basketball.

1. “Everybody” (assume you are referring to the media) is dumb then. You must be a fan of these shows with talking heads that scream at one another for 30-60 minutes? Do you honestly think potential recruits take ND’s bowl record into account or (other than the playoff losses) their players that make it to the next level dwell/look back on Bowl losses? Gimme a break. 2. You brought up IU basketball so I ran with it but we are getting off course here. Isn’t this thread about Harbaugh? If you wanna justify your “banners” and national relevance and need to go back two decades to drop the “they played for a title” line, that’s pretty pathetic. 3. Your 1/7 fits Big Ten titles but it also fits college football playoff appearances. How many of those does Penn State have while going 3-4 against Michigan since 2015? (By the way, the final score of the PSU/UM game in 2016 was 49-13 good guys, PSU just lucked out that the game was played early.) 4. Man, if 4/7 is “owned” I’d hate to see what term you use to describe the Purdue/IU basketball rivalry.

1. Crucified by whom? Once again, rational folks in the media (there are a few) and fans alike understand the steep climb for a program like ND when you against the likes of the big four. Their best RB chose to sit out of last month’s Fiesta Bowl and their coach skipped town prior to the game. They didn’t care. 2. While I already agreed that there are some parallels to the IU basketball/UM football programs but Michigan’s football success far surpasses anything IU has done in basketball since the turn of the century. How many times has IU basketball even finished the season ranked or made the second weekend of the tournament? 3. I am done picking on IU football. I was referencing basketball with the 10th-11th best program in the Big Ten statement. 5. 1/7 but that’s one more than Penn State, Wisconsin and Florida combined…all programs you placed ahead of Michigan. 6. I’d also like to challenge your statement that Michigan State has “owned” Michigan. 4/7 is hardly owning someone, especially with the way the games have gone down, but you already knew that.

“Michigan isn't a top team in the B10 anymore.” LOL.

NO one outside of the CFP is graded on postseason success. This isn’t the NFL. You just put Michigan at 10/11 and in the next breath claimed they are irrelevant while making the IU basketball comparison again, lol? IU has been around 10/11 in the Big Ten during the time period discussed.

I just can't imagine you dying on this hill without admitting you've been wronged by the University of Michigan somehow. No rational/sane person uses BOWL games in modern football as a talking points, ESPECIALLY wins in late December bowls or wins against non-power 5 teams in bowl games. But here you are...backed into a corner using it as your last line of defense to stand by your sticking point that Michigan is AT WORST the 11th best program in America. Imagine throwing shade at a team that just finished #3 in the country. The CFP is damn hard to get to and Michigan is fresh off of a conference title, a 12 win season and an appearance in the Orange Bowl and you want to talk about teams who are winning the Duke's Mayo Bowl and Pinstripe Bowl. It is CFP or bust. Hell, guys even opt out of NY6 bowls regularly in this era. If they are deemed irrelevant and not worth the time of the actual players on the team, then hell yes I can call them meaningless as a fan. As for the rivals comment, the record IS what it is. I admit it is underwhelming. 1. But no program in America has more rivals than Michigan (Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Minnesota, hell Michigan even plays Northwestern for a damn trophy now). 2. At no point in either MSU or OSU's history has their brand been better or their football program in a better spot than it is now. We all can't have PURDUE as our rival, or Tennessee/Iowa as I mentioned above. Give those programs credit. Those are not excuses but simple facts. Any 10-11 win season for any program not named Alabama, Georgia, Clemson or Ohio State is a success. Only 15% of college football programs can say they have won that many in any given year.

One of those NY6 bowls Penn State won was against MEMPHIS, while Michigan got matched up with Alabama. ONE playoff appearance trumps 2 NY6 bowl wins and gimme a break on the Las Vegas Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl, Duke's May Bowl or Holiday Bowl win meaning jack shit. Penn State's rival is...PITT? Wisconsin's are IOWA and MINNESOTA? Come on dude. Admit defeat.