Bash Riprock

I am not saying isn't a variable in the equation...we just differ in opinion as to the magnitude of the variable. I can point to schools across this country that are in lower income areas that have dominate football programs. Study Florida for example. I can also identify many higher income schools across this country that have lackluster football programs. We can point to several in our own state. Now to my question....of the bottom 8 sized schools in 6A that are being proposed to being moved down to 5A, how many of those schools and which ones would you consider lower income? I am just trying to determine if we calibrate on the definition. And if they (or most) are not considered lower income, then it must be a numbers game of enrollment....and as I pointed out, the number difference is not that significant from schools in the middle of the pack in 6A and outside of the top 8.

And the bottom 8 schools in 6A? But to be clear, I don’t find your theory absolute. Lots of variables in the equation for success.

I respect your opinion. We disagree that they 75% of those schools are title contenders in 5A. That's cool. Westfield played in the state title game last year in 6A. Yet they less than 100 students larger than the first of your 8 schools to be moved down, and <300 from the smallest 6A school. (based upon enrollment) CG won the title last year in 6A with <500 from the smallest 6A school. (based on enrollment) How do you explain this? There are 3 large 6A schools that tend to win or play for state titles on a consistent basis. Isn't this really about running from the outliers? BTW, thanks for the discussion....this is an interesting topic and I do appreciate your thoughts.

I sense your frustration...be nice. Yes I read the entire thread...maybe you just haven't made the sale. Question...of these bottom 8 6A teams, how many currently would be in the running for a 5A state championship and 6A holds them back from being a contender. If we agree that this is a small list (very small), is this about inceasing the probability for a sectional title? Just curious.

So mess with 6A because of outliers? How does dropping 8 schools out of 6A solve this?

Are you sure?....I am counting 8 schools in 2013 when 6A was implemented. Carmel has certainly grown. They were #2 at that time. https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Football Classifications 2013-15.pdf I am counting 11 schools now...but they don't inlcude some of the ones you mentioned. https://www.ihsaa.org/Portals/0/ihsaa/documents/quick resources/Enrollments & Classifications/football schools 19-20.pdf If we analyze the top 11 schools, how many of those schools currently have dominate or top tier programs? How many of those schools win a sectional regularly?? Just because some schools increased in size, doesn't mean football dominance followed.

I read that as well. Pretty late in the game to pull that move. IU's RB coach has quite the resume. Not sure what was said to James, but I would have liked to see him battle it out. It seems regardless of #1 or #2, he would have had the chance to get carries and prove himself out on the field. But as you said, this isn't his first time entering the portal. Hope he has success finding the right fit. I also have to wonder if he was close to graduating.....

I guess its the university's perogative if they choose to change their nickname....first I have heard of a connection to the Crusades being so negative that nicknames must be scrapped, but so be it. But a logo with a lighthouse in a landlocked city? This long time Lutheran is stuggling a little with the university's ability to brand. Irishman...your post about Univ of Tulsa led me to look it up their nickname origin. Interesting.....I guess Golden Tornadoes were taken at the time by Georgia Tech. https://tulsaworld.com/origins-of-the-golden-hurricane-nickname/article_9bab7080-630a-573e-9643-c7a8717f1564.html

Love the reaction on Twitter. One comment...."a landlocked city with a lighthouse as a mascot". Some preferred "The Bacons"...... I hope they didn't pay a marketing firm for this one....

The Beacons….

Great reads DT. Thanks a bunch!!!

I love what Bowden did while as head coach at West Virginia for Marshall following the plane crash and rebuild of the Thundering Herd program. That part of the movie was spot on including WVU wearing of green crosses on their helmets during the season. Below is a link to a nice article and Red Dawson's comments about Bowden...... https://www.loganbanner.com/sports/marshall-sports-bobby-bowden-to-be-keynote-speaker-at-herdspys-award-event/article_79a2c402-ec7e-5b88-aa15-b137ab310c13.html

I didn't know that. I talked to a old pal that live in the St. Paul area. He mentioned Gable lives in the Apple Valley, MN area which is tremendous for wrestling.

Wow! What an ending!! Awesome flip for the big man. What an athlete!! Thanks much for sharing!!!

What an ending!!! I see he is a Big 10 guy.....Minnesota Gopher.

Was happy for this young lady. Remembered her at age 17 in the Rio Olympics 5 years ago. Great race breaking a world record last night with a total of 3 women very close as you indicated. They mentioned her father just had a heart transplant.

FCS is D1....2 classifications. SDSU's conference, the Missouri Valley (also home to Indiana State & power North Dakota State) has held their own over the years against FBS schools. This is a pretty good source for listing FCS wins over FBS schools. https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/fcs-wins-vs-fbs-teams-all-time-victories-upsets

The Purple Aces played there for a few years correct? If I remember correctly, UE is about 5 miles away...actually very close to Memorial HS. Shame they no longer have a football program. At that time, was UE Div 2 for football?

Totally agree...she is incredible!! Love those who serve our country.....in Melissa' case, paying such a terrible price, yet moving on to make a true difference truly living her life. Inspiring Irish!! Would have give you a thanks on your post, but currently out of votes....must be too much of a +1 guy!!!

Thank you for sharing that story....what an amazing young man.

Some coverage in the IndyStar from Kyle N. https://www.indystar.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indystar.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fhigh-school%2F2021%2F08%2F02%2Fihsaa-mic-hcc-may-see-conference-realignment-near-future-carmel-center-grove%2F5448478001%2F

Maybe a positive thing that Stanford didn't cancel the 11 sports they had planned on earlier........ https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/05/18/stanford-reverses-sports-cuts-lawsuits/

Congrats to this young man from the LCHS class of 2023. Just picked up an offer from Michigan and already had some nice offers from Indiana, Purdue, Missouri, Rutgers, Iowa State, Cincy, etc. a 247 4 Star recruit.....more offers for this Bear are on the way. https://247sports.com/player/joshua-mickens-46113710/ https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Joshua-Mickens-145028/RecruitInterests/

interesting thoughts. Don't disagree. Geographically it would make a ton of sense for Carmel with HSE, Fishers, Westfield and Zionsville.