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JULY 1st HERE WE COME
HoopsCoach replied to Coach Nowlin's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
It will be interesting to see what happens when there is a confirmed case on a team. Prior to the season and especially during the season. Would a coach instruct their players to not get tested for the virus and just stay home sick so the team can continue? -
Dr. McCormick explicitly said in today’s “Information and Updates to Indiana Schools Related to COVID-19” video (type that into YouTube if you want to watch it) that schools are to have no facility access for students until at least June 30th. She goes so far as to specifically say “I want to bring my athletics back, can I open up the weight room? - NO!” This will be hard for many coaches to accept. Especially the ones dumb enough to post pics on Twitter of their players in the school weight room lifting, or out on the field doing a workout.
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COVID Impact on football season
HoopsCoach replied to CoachAbe's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I wouldn’t expect contraction for the 20-21 school year. However, school budgets could definitely see reductions for the 21-22 school year as a result of lower tax revenue generated during 2020. That will potentially cause less funding to be allocated to schools for the 21-22 school year. How much less remains to be seen, but I would consider it a strong possibility. In the fall of 2008, the economic recession began which led to high unemployment and decreases in tax revenue. State and Federal budgets were already in place for 2009, so most schools didn’t have to make cuts for the 2009-10 school year. The reduced tax revenue led to budgets being cut for 2010, which is why many schools made cuts in the spring and summer of 2010 for the 2010-11 school year. Depending upon how long this lasts, I could see a similar trend happening in the next 2 years. 2020-21 will probably be ok, but schools could feel a crunch for the 21-22 school year. That’s where closures of schools may come into consideration. It may not be a contraction of a football program, it may be a contraction of entire schools. -
Hamilton Southeastern HC job
HoopsCoach replied to QB's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I would think he applied for the Fishers position when it was open not long ago. Those kinds of discussions are prohibited here, so I don’t know. This hire just needs the “Great choice” “Great coach and even better person” and “HSE got a good one” comments to complete the transition. Note: all of those things could be absolutely true about Mr. Kelly. Sarcasm is intended to poke fun at the comments that tend to follow nearly every hire. -
Hamilton Southeastern HC job
HoopsCoach replied to QB's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I believe that is prohibited here. -
Success Factor / Enrollment Question
HoopsCoach replied to NLCTigerFan07's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
8 schools dropped from 3A to 2A for the cycle that began this year. Southridge is also moved up to 3A due to success factor. Their enrollment would put them back in 2A (18 spots below Webo). Webo’s 8th grade class has the exact same number of students as their senior class, so their number shouldn’t change much from the 536 they have this year. Here’s what would possibly be the bottom 10 for 3A and top 10 for 2A based on this year’s enrollment (includes only 1 Elkhart and Indy Manual above them). There can and will be change in these numbers next year, which will be the enrollments used to set the next classifications. 3A Enrollment 55 Indianapolis Ritter 548 56 South Vermillion 547 57 North Montgomery 544 58 Monrovia 538 59 Speedway 537 60 Salem 536 61 Western Boone 536 62 Brownstown Central 534 63 River Forest 531 64 Woodlan 525 2A Enrollment 1 Oak Hill 520 2 Sullivan 518 3 Eastern (Greentown) 516 4 Rensselaer Central 515 5 F.W. Bishop Luers 511 6 Fairfield 508 7 Greencastle 506 8 Blackford 504 9 Centerville 502 10 Rochester 501 -
Success Factor / Enrollment Question
HoopsCoach replied to NLCTigerFan07's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I assume that you are looking at the enrollments that were used to set the classes for the current cycle, which are from the 2018-19 school year. I’m using the enrollments from 2019-20. Don’t forget that the consolidation of a couple schools that are larger than Webo will reduce the number of schools above them in the order of enrollments (2 Elkhart schools down to 1), and who knows what Indy Manual (a 3A school) will look like a year from now when classifications are being set. -
Success Factor / Enrollment Question
HoopsCoach replied to NLCTigerFan07's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
I think it depends on the strength of the program, as well as the potential opponents they could face in each class. Some schools may have a much easier tournament path in one class compared to another. Coaches may want to try to schedule some of their sectional opponents for regular season games, so that might cause some work for AD’s if they change classes. That seems to be more common with basketball and baseball since they have more flexibility with their schedules. I’ll use Lafayette Jeff as an example. They’ve been close to the 5A/6A split for several years. If they had been in 5A during the last 3-4 years, they would have been a threat to make some deep tournament runs. They’re a solid 6A team, but haven’t been able to get out of their sectional. Dropping back to 5A would potentially create an easier path being in a sectional with teams they have beaten for the last several years (McCutcheon, Harrison, Kokomo). Mishawaka has been on the 4A/5A cutoff for years, but they’ve been successful in both classes. They’ve made deeper runs the years they’ve been in 4A, but still won several sectionals in 5A. Mississinewa may move down to 3A in the next cycle. Their 3A sectional would probably be weaker, but everything after that is a bigger challenge than 4A in my opinion. I actually think the 3A tournament is tougher than 4A, especially with Dwenger, New Pal, and Cathedral all playing in 5A. Evansville Memorial would be an example of that - won 4A this past season after losing in the 3A finals in 2018. Western Boone has been close to the 2A/3A split and has greatly benefitted from the move down to 2A. In 3A they struggled to make it out of their sectional with the Indy parochial schools or West Lafayette. In 3 years playing 2A they’ve won a regional and 2 state championships. Using the enrollment numbers from the 2019-20 school year, they would go back to 3A, and there is a good chance they will get bumped by success factor anyway. Linton-Stockton has stayed close to the 1A/2A cutoff for a while. They had some great runs in 1A, but haven’t made it out of their sectional in 2A with Southridge and Mater Dei. They would probably welcome a return to 1A, but their enrollment likely keeps them in 2A for the next cycle. -
Success Factor / Enrollment Question
HoopsCoach replied to NLCTigerFan07's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
An athletic program can elect to play up, but they cannot choose to stay in their current class if they are moved up due to success factor or by enrollment. They cannot elect to play down a class either. Zionsville is moving down to 5A this fall with the consolidated Elkhart moving up to 6A. Zionsville could elect to play up and stay in 6A, and the next smallest 6A school would move down to 5A instead. Let’s say the opposite occurred and Valpo was assigned to move up to 6A when a 6A school closed or split. Valpo could not ask to stay in 5A (Note: in the past the IHSAA has always just left an open spot in a class when a school closed rather than move a school up. However, they also never made a mid-cycle move due to a consolidation until this situation with Elkhart this year). Electing to play up can be done in a single sport and does not have to be for all programs at a school. South Bend Washington did that with boys and girls basketball a few years ago. Both were going to be 3A by enrollment but one of the two programs (can’t remember which) elected to play up in 4A. I am not sure what the official process is to petition the IHSAA to play up, but it has to be done prior to the alignment of sectionals during an alignment year (20-21). -
Success Factor / Enrollment Question
HoopsCoach replied to NLCTigerFan07's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Those success factor points only keep you in a class if you were bumped up. Like New Pal for example. They already have enough points to keep them in 5A no matter what their enrollment is next year. They could go to 6A with a regional win, but cannot move down to 4A since they already have 4 points. Warsaw did not get moved to 6A due to success factor, so they could be moved down based on enrollment even if they score enough success factor points to “stay up” in 6A. -
IHSAA Football Changes - Wish
HoopsCoach replied to RegionFBFan's topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
It could be done with some planning. Facilities have improved enough to make it possible (turf fields with sufficient seating in both the home and visitor sides). This would have been relatively easy to assign during the 2019 season. This is assuming that the host schools would be willing to do this, but it could have looked something like this: @ Warsaw Valparaiso vs Dwenger East Noble vs Hobart @ Lafayette Jeff Carmel vs Merrillville Eastbrook vs Andrean @ Kokomo Chatard vs Mishawaka Marian Lafayette Central Catholic vs Adams Central @ Warren Central (or Arsenal Tech) Ben Davis vs Center Grove Western Boone vs Triton Central @ Martinsville Evansville Memorial vs Mount Vernon Heritage Hills vs Danville @ Columbus North New Pal vs Bloomington South Indianapolis Lutheran vs West Washington -
Positive Thread-favorite game
HoopsCoach replied to a topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Hardy was actually from Elmhurst. I think he caught the go-ahead touchdown pass to beat Dwenger in the season opener during his senior year (03-04). Elmhurst had six consecutive 0-10 seasons, then beat Dwenger who had played in the state finals the previous season. -
No issue at all with the attendance secretary reporting this. By law, he has a duty to do so (which is why all the others are professionally hanged). Copying the surveillance video, which he probably downloaded to a personal device without school permission, and then distributing it to the media (even with permission from the victim’s parents) is not a good way to ensure job security. That being said, the clip of the AD walking in on the coach and the student, then walking out smiling is disgusting. This is on a similar level to the Park Tudor situation with Kyle Cox. A scumbag coach with an invincibility complex that bit him.
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River rats.
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If Ole Miss did end up in 3A, I could see them moving into sectional 27. Concordia is the best team in the current alignment of that sectional. Delta and Marion both had a higher Sagarin rating than Concordia last season, and Ole Miss beat both of them to win sectional 20.
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Mississinewa could drop down to 3A for the next cycle.
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Northview is a neighboring school for both Terre Haute schools and they have 975 students. Owen Valley is not too far away and their enrollment is around 715. Northview can compete with THN and THS in several sports, but Owen Valley would struggle. Mooresville, Plainfield, and Decatur Central are all about an hour from Terre Haute, and Martinsville is about an hour and 20 minutes. I don’t see any of those schools being eager to leave the Mid-State Conference to pair up with THN/THS, and the other Mid-State schools farther east would have no interest in bringing them into the conference. They would be a competitive fit in the Mid-State, but not a good geographic fit. That is probably the best place those two schools could go.
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I would not expect Conference Indiana to be around in 5 years. It will take the collapse of that conference to get Columbus North to move to the same conference as Columbus East (more trophies for everyone in Columbus if they aren’t competing with each other). From a competitive standpoint across all sports, I think it makes sense to have Madison, Silver Creek, Seymour, Jennings County, Scottsburg, and Brownstown Central in a 6 team conference. Then the Hoosier Hills can stay an 8 team conference by adding Bloomington North, Bloomington South, and Columbus North to the remaining 5 members (Columbus East, BNL, Floyd Central, New Albany, and Jeffersonville).
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I’d like to see all games prior to Labor Day start at 8, all games for the rest of September start at 7:30, and all games in October and November start at 7.
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SIAC vs The SAC - Who now has the upper hand?
HoopsCoach replied to a topic in The Indiana High School Football Forum
Torn down. Elmhurst has somehow reappeared on the IHSAA membership map, even though it has been closed for a decade and the building no longer stands.
