Irishman

You are likely right that there would not be much of a difference without them. The perception is that voucher schools are still seeing a large number of students coming from public schools and that is not true as the original post in the topic states. There may be a slight difference in the affluent schools compared to poor schools, but the numbers are much closer than they are in my example. What a horrible take on my posts.

Hits the nail on the head. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19GEuSd6H3/?mibextid=wwXIfr

And given the chance today, we would all likely still eat it.

See…this is one of those detail things, where if the conversation were about software engineering, I would not even begin to consider venturing into. And then you make assumptions based on that lack of understanding. Do you really think voucher and charter schools have individual plans for every single student?

So I should have 150 individual learning plans? Pretty unrealistic. That said, I try to use as many different styles as I can to reach as many as possible. Posting Frankfurt’s numbers helps my point. Just more kids where voucher schools will tell them they are better served in a public school. Also, try to find a voucher or charter school with numbers close to your Frankfurt numbers or the ones I posted.

You are simply choosing not to see the disparity in the groups you mentioned. Try another angle. Bishop Dwenger and New Haven are in the same sectional often. Dwenger has With similar populations, Dwenger has just 5% of its students who qualify for free and reduced lunch. New Haven has 67%. The minority population at Dwenger is 19%. At New Haven, it is 55%. That said, you left out one group I mentioned, special needs students. On most voucher and charter schools, that population is non existent. Statewide, only 9% are special ed students. To meet the needs these students are allowed by law is what the per student money is based on in Indiana. For a comparison, Bishop Dwenger has 45 students who are labeled special needs. None of them are on certificate track. New Haven has 289 students labeled as special needs, or 21% of their population, and about 15% are certificate track. Another school in the sectional, Wayne HS has 264 special needs students, or 19% of their population. On a personal note, I had 150 students in class last semester. 79 of them had either an IEP or ILP. Of the ILP students, I had 16 that spoke no English. 8 of them were in 1 class period, and represented 5 different languages. Those students’ parents would not even know what a voucher was. And there is zero chance they would have been admitted if they did.

Yes I did....you claimed that teachers joining the association have to claim they do not want their dues being sent to politicians. And I provided evidence to show that it cannot happen. You have provided nothing to back your claim, including showing the "No" on the enrollment form.

As I do with what I said, which means you are wrong. But good luck with that.

Nope....cannot admit you were wrong huh? lol

Welll????? Looking at the enrollment form now laughing boy. Not a single box marked "No" on either page. There are options to have additional funds taken out that would contribute to a PAC and/or an Educational foundation.

I remember thinking that the first time he sold it. But from the last topic here, he was supposed to be paying people who provided content for him to post. He had a sponsor for a while too, a State Farm agent. It used to be his banner on his page, but I don't see it anywhere. With all the baggage he brings to the table, he was still able to do player and team profiles and coaches interviews/questionnaires. While not surprised, it is one less voice/page dedicated to HS Football....if it actually goes away.

Check no on what?

Not accurate. It is illegal for the association to use dues collected to fund political campaigns. Contributions to a PAC are voluntary.

I would agree on all counts. Any advantages gained in football from the vouchers already took place early in the voucher era. A couple schools I know firsthand had a number of players using them were Ritter and Luers; to the extent both schools were told to back off. Both have lost legacy families and while Luers seems to have bounced back, Ritter is still struggling. Most of their legacy kids have been going to BC, Cathedral, and Brebeuf.

I would be curious to find out. Ask the Internship Coordinator at Sheridan how challenging it has been in recent years to place interns; prior to these changes? I know in our building, she was struggling to place the ones who signed up for the class. Last school year, she had around 200 students to place. A handful already had jobs, but most of those will not count toward the new requirements. With about 300 students per class in our building, that challenge will increase dramatically. I get the whole thing about college. The problem with a pendulum swinging in these topics is that it never stops at dead center. It will swing too far the other direction. So, I might be able to find an electrician every couple of blocks, I will have to drive farther to find a doctor or a dentist. One downside to the focus on trades, or even manual labor is that too many students settle. They don't want to push. We see fewer students entering nursing programs, teacher programs, medical school, along with other professions requiring a degree.

I will add...pay attention to other things going on. Relaxing of child labor laws has been attempted the last couple of sessions, and could likely pass. The new graduation requirements dramatically increase the amount of internship hours students have to complete (aka free labor). these legislators want to guarantee a line of working class citizens. There is still a direct connection between the groups that support privatizing education as well as privatizing the prison system. Failing schools and/or lack of access to any school keeps that pipeline going.

$$$$$$ in their pockets and from the donors pushing the agenda. You think anyone in the supermajority in our Statehouse listens to their constituents?

These conversations have gone on for about 15 years now on this site in its various forms. There was a time I thought you actually were genuinely interested in learning details that factor into school performance as well what politicians are intentionally doing to make the public schools look bad or even fail. Then I realized you are actually were not and never have been interested in learning any of it. So, in recent years, I have stopped spending the time it takes to post those things in detail and have deferred to "look it up yourself" even though I know you never have and never will. Please do....go get a license and step up to teaching. I genuinely encourage you to do so.

See, there is the difference between us. I would never venture that deep into a conversation if my knowledge was lacking on the level that yours is on this topic all the while trying to act like I know more than I do.

I would not expect a loss there. Like Florida State, Oklahoma has become a team that is perpetually overrated.

Growing pains….the system has been in place for 21 years. And those fraudsters….often rename themselves and find another group to authorize them to continue what they have been doing. They are far from out of business. If your lack of understanding of the significance of being able to choose proficiency or growth leads to a childish response like that, that says more about you than anything else so far.

Stacking the deck…..when it comes to evaluating schools, legislators on the Statehouse gave non public schools the option of using growth or proficiency when test scores are factored in. Did public schools get the same option? Nope. Proficiency is the dominant factor in public school evaluations.

I will stay local. https://pro.stateaffairs.com/in/education/indiana-virtual-school-enrollment-scam https://indianacitizen.org/virtual-charter-lawsuit/ https://www.chalkbeat.org/indiana/2020/2/12/21178564/in-a-damning-audit-indiana-calls-on-two-virtual-schools-to-repay-85-million-in-misspent-state-funds/ Several years before these, local charter school operators were told to repay the State over $100Million So in less than 10 years, charter operators in Indiana have defrauded Indiana tax payers to the tune of $383 Million. when the State Board of Accounts looked into a charter school in Fort Wayne, they asked for financial records. The school refused stating they were a private business and are not required to do so. From 2001 to 2023, 1 of every 3 charter schools have closed, and most have done it during the school year.

Keep telling yourselves that lol. Plenty of other sources and evidence to the contrary. Not necessarily throwing shade on any of the schools themselves, although there have been plenty of scandals, fraud and scams in the couple decades they have been in operation in Indiana, just critical of how the deck is stacked by politicians in their favor.