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Let's be fairly realistic about this ... and this is the main reason that I'm against an automatic bump and, instead, all for a PERFORMANCE-based bump. Folks often lump LCC into the "dominant" school programs of the IHSAA for all time. But looking at the numbers at the time of SF policy consideration, and if you are including LCC as a reason for SF, then SF's reason for existing is flawed because LCC was, prior to the SF implementation and prior to their 4-peat run in 2009-2012, which ended in being part of the inaugural class of SF, a team that looks like lots of other public 1A schools in terms of their PERFORMANCE to that point . Prior to their 4-peat run in 2009-2012, LCC the following post-season record ... starting in 1976: 1976 - State champion 1989 - Sectional champion 1999 - State champion 2005 - Sectional champion That's it! Two state championships, a decade and a half apart and two sectional championships ... every other season they left with nothing; including eight of those 33 seasons being bounced in the first game of sectionals. The only thing that was close to being a power run was the fact that it took only six years after winning the state championship in 1999 to finally get out of sectionals again in 2005 ... then again, in three of those six seasons they were bounced by two different teams, in the first game of sectionals, so I'm not sure that's a real power run. Incidentally, go back and look at how many DIFFERENT teams ended LCC's seasons in that timeframe. It's not like it was just Pioneer. In addition, it was Sheridan, Westfield, Frontier, South Decatur, Clinton Central, North Miami, Caston, North White, and Seeger; all public schools that ended LCC's season. By the way, just for a couple of interesting comparisons, Clinton Central, who was one of those teams that ended LCC's season three times and all three times causing LCC to exit sectionals in Game 1, had: 1997 - Sectional Championship 2000 - Sectional Championship 2002 - Sectional Championship While Sheridan had: 1976: Sectional Championship 1980: State Championship 1981: Sectional Championship 1983: Regional Championship 1984: State Championship 1985: Sectional Championship 1987: State Championship 1988: State Championship 1990: Sectional Championship 1992: State Championship 1994: Semi-State Championship 1998: State Championship 2004: Sectional Championship 2005: State Championship 2006: State Championship 2007: State Championship 2008: Semi-State Championship And Pioneer had: 1997 - State champion 2001 - Regional champion 2002 - Regional champion 2006 - Sectional champion 2008 - Sectional champion While Fountain Central had: 1978 - Semi-State champion 1983 - State champion 1996 - Sectional champion 1998 - Sectional champion 2004 - Sectional champion 2006 - Sectional champion And North White 1994 - State champion 1998 - Semi-State champion 2000 - Regional champion And, lastly as another data point set, Seeger: 1977 - Sectional champion 1995 - Sectional champion 1999 - Sectional champion 2002 - Sectional champion 2003 - Semi-State champion 2004 - State champion There's no way that anyone can sanely convince me that LCC's post-season records, prior to their 4-peat run when SF was being considered, would be even in the mix as a data point for making the SF argument other than because they were P/P. It wasn't until LCC thoroughly thrashed Fountain Central 52-0 in 2009 and then a year later 31-6 that anyone started taking notice and lumping LCC in with the Chatards and Cathedrals of the world. Realistically, LCC's records to that point were no more spectacular than Seeger's, Pioneer's, North White's, Fountain Central's, and, of course, not Sheridan's. With the 4-peat, LCC shot into IHSAA "legendary" status, but at the commencement of SF consideration, they looked no different than plenty of other public counterparts in their "dominance" moniker. If LCC was in the discussion driving SF, then it was pretty much 1) based on the 2009-2010 seasons ... so two data points ... which isn't a great driving force for policy, 2) ignoring all other data points of all other teams prior to 2009, or 3) based on the P/P categorization. In reality, none of these SHOULD be true. Lumping LCC in with some of the other P/Ps mentioned, ignores the data that was present at the time of the decisions and also generally tends to distort the analysis. We can do a "lookback" a decade after the fact that LCC is in the SF discussion "post implementation," but by the data at the time, there's no honest way that someone could argue that, prior to the 4-peat season run, which started right around the time that SF discussions were peaking, that LCC could have been a driving factor, in football, for SF in the same bucket as Chatard/Cathedral unless we are willing to admit that it wasn't even really about whether the teams were dominant or even winning.

I like the idea of the lookback or trending forecasting model as opposed to just a set 2-year snapshot. Ultimately, you want programs to move up to a next level because their PROGRAM is ascending and not just because a couple of teams did so in a couple of years. The main reason that I suspect that most people who think that 2-year is too short and argue for 4-year isn't specifically because it's accurate, but because 1) it's better than 2-year in looking at program ascendancy as opposed to just limited team success and 2) it's easy to implement, as well as explain, than the lookback or trending modeling might be. Edit: BTW, Scecina is a school that got bumped and didn't win a state final in doing so ... 1A to 2A with a pair of red rings. Happened in the first implementation of SF bump ups.

I got this message when I tried to access the link: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons At first, I thought perhaps it was something like healthcode violations or money laundering or @Coach Nowlinusing his Rensselaer Mafia connections to have the place shut down ..."Nice burger joint you got here. Be a shame if something happened to it." Turns out it's just that the PharosTribune isn't GDPR compliant. With that said, @Coach Nowlin did have a "stray" golf ball collide with someone recently, so the folks from Mr. Happy Burger might want to just let him play through to be safe.

Heard there were special dispensations provided, along with Subways subs, at the rest break on the way home. Hopefully, they'll pad the schedule a couple of minutes to stop off and take a look at the Grand Canyon.

Apparently now official and decided. And then there were six.

The issues that we had between crossovers was that each league had its own set of rules. Most were the same, but ball carrier weights, for example, might differ. It might also be other things such as defense alignments, etc. Since these were typically a week or two of crossover, we just kind of compromised where there were variances.

Sometimes there's crossover activity with youth leagues/programs. I recall a couple of seasons where Little Gridiron played some games with Monticello Youth Football. The teams didn't join the leagues, but the leagues played some crossover matches. One year one of the LGI programs played both LGI and played MYF in weekends when they were going to have a bye. Just recently, I know that LCC was playing some of the 56er teams even though I don't think they had officially joined 56er football.

Like @Ballhawksaid, I'd say the Hoosier is a stronger conference of the two overall ... especially on the gridiron side of the coin. One advantage that TRC brings, specifically for Cass, is Rochester in 2A. On the other hand, having to face 2A Tipton and (sometimes 3A) RCHS/ (sometimes 1A) LCC every season is probably the better "stone sharpener" for 2A. At first blush, the thing I quickly noticed on TRC was lots of 1A. Southwood tends to be sturdy 1A with Northfield being occasionally sturdy, from a 2A team perspective. 3A+ TRC seem "less dangerous" than a couple chances in HC 3A. Drawing WL and, in some years, HH, can sometimes have some teams coming out banged up that will last into the season.

Doesn't appear to be a misprint or a one-sided mistake. Here's Chula Vista's Maxprep schedule:

There was no hijack intended. @vicvinegarasked a simple question ... I'm assuming he was trying to gauge what might have sent Logansport, from the NCC, looking to the HC ... and I responded. Someone else then responded. From the Logansport side, I'm somewhat perplexed as to whether they decided before or after Cass bolted to make a play for the Hoosier Conference. Anyone have insight on that? Unexpected opportunity, planned strategy, or a mix of both based on goings on in their old haunts?

I like that idea where high schools are concerned. The school keeps the copyright intact, can potentially write it off as charity, advertising, or community relations, and the high schools get the use of a recognizable logo.

Perhaps it wasn't a letter ... maybe it was just preemptively avoiding such a letter.

I recall when I first moved up this way, McCutcheon was using the longhorn emblem as its symbol. If I recall correctly, they got a letter from the University of Texas "requesting" that they consider another symbol.

I'm basing my sizing on the IHSAA classification for the schools for 2022-2023 and 2023-2024: https://www.ihsaa.org/sites/default/files/documents/2022-23 2023-24 Football Alignment.pdf. I certainly agree that Harrison will likely surpass Jeff in the next classification round and so they'll both likely be in the lower 6A / upper 5A. Of course, given the numbers that you are projecting for Jeff, that still places them upper 5A or lower 6A and also puts them above McCutcheon for size. The argument about enrollment gap in the NCC certainly is a legitimate one ... if you are Richmond, Logansport, or Marion ... but arguing about a couple hundred kids difference when Jeff and Harrison are both trolling the deep water of the IHSAA ocean seems somewhat off from Jeff's position. Realistically, Jeff and Harrison look the same, large, compared to the Logansports, Marions, Richmonds, etc. Even with the low end of the enrollment you are projecting for Jeff, it still puts them about 400-500 above Kokomo and roughly 600-900 above Richmond, Marion, and Logansport. Not to be a d*ck about things, but in the 20+ years that I've lived in this area, I've not once heard Jeff complain about enrollment gaps with McCutcheon and Harrison and how unfair it was that those two smaller schools had to compete against a 6A, upper 5A, school. I certainly can see the point of Marion and Richmond and Logansport wanting Harrison and McCutcheon out, but not Jeff. Travel's not an issue for Jeff to Harrison. Serious enrollment gap isn't an issue either. Competitive imbalance? For Harrison and Richmond and Harrison and Marion? Probably. Between Jeff and Harrison? No way. I've been a fan of what Jeff's been able to do with the advent of the Moore seasons and into your guidance of making them competitive again. And I have ties to Jeff too as my three oldest kids all attended Jeff. I've even sent you DMs concerning my appreciation for your stances on community issues. But this is a bad look for Jeff in this "fight." Same thing with Logansport too if they were considering to jumping to the Hoosier Conference at the time of the vote. The vote should have been an abstain. Similarly with Jeff, I can't see a legitimate reason for Jeff looking at those three issues, from their own vis-a-vis with Harrison and saying, "Oh yeah, I believe every one of these wholeheartedly." Or, realistically, even one. Again, I think it's a bad look for Jeff because none of those things make any real sense for Jeff to have pulled the trigger on an affirmative vote. They didn't have to vote "no," especially if there was an amendment hanging around to make it three Lafayette-area schools instead of two, but an abstain would have been the proper thing to do, IMO, for Jeff as the reasons just don't hold any real water vis-a-vis Jeff and Harrison.

To be fair, Roncalli originally pushed the idea of a "rebel" pope, which makes perfect sense for John XXIII and Vatican II, but the Confederate battle flags and Ronnie Rebel derailed that idea and had nothing to do with the original naming of the mascot. I suspect if the student body had instead taken up the peace sign, two fingers for Vatican II and carrying keys instead of the Confederate battle flags and the Confederate-uniformed mascot, it would have been much less an issue for the school.

God forbid they'd compete for it.

Watch for the Orwellian statements that will be coming soon about how your taxes were "lowered." The Indiana lawmakers just sent a bill to the governor to provide "property tax relief." Customer: "Hey, this hamburger costs $10. Just yesterday, it was $5." Seller: "Tell you what I'm going to do, just for you. I'm going to lower that price down to $7.50 and help you out a bit." Customer: "Gee mister, that's sure swell of you ... looking out for me like that." Seller: "No problem. Be sure to tell your friends how much we care about the customer." Customer: "Sure will mister. Thanks a lot." Seller: "See you later. *in a whisper* Sucker." Customer: "What was that?" Seller: "Oh nothing. See you tomorrow. Tell your friends." As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise (a ‘categorical pledge’ were the official words) that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration during 1984. Actually, as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from thirty grammes to twenty at the end of the present week. All that was needed was to substitute for the original promise a warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration at some time in April. ... It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours?… Was he, then, ALONE in the possession of a memory? 1984 - George Orwell

Man you aren't kidding. I recall when I lived in Allen, we paid out around $3,800 on property/school tax on a house value of around $145,000 ... I'm pretty sure some of it might be in that high school stadium. Up this way, you cap out at 1% on the home.

I think he headed to Nacogdoches, home of Stephen F. Austin University ... affectionately known as NacoNowhere by Texans from the larger cities. Google it and you'll see why.

My brother-in-law played for Mesquite Poteet. My wife is a product of North Mesquite High School back in the days of the power districts. They were a lot like Carmel is today where they didn't, at the time, split their schools, so they ran roughshod over big school football in the state. Even when Mesquite finally split off to create North Mesquite, the likes of Plano, Richardson, Highland Park, and Mesquite/North Mesquite had huge bodies of kids to select stellar teams from.

Once Jeff comes to its senses and realizes that it's an orca in an above-ground swimming pool in the NCC, it will realize that it can't do much of anything in 6A with Logansport as a non-con on their schedule anymore than with them on their schedule. They used to have WL on their non-con, but WL has moved over/back to Harrison and McCutcheon. Sharing the boundary with Harrison and deciding to open boundaries recently it's a smart admin move. Jeff replaced them with Cathedral, which is a good move on paper, but probably less so on the gridiron. If it remains in the NCC and Logansport goes to the HC, outside of maybe Kokomo, Jeff's going to get two shots in non-cons to get ready for Week 10. I would suspect that Logansport would be on a short-list of of those non-cons unless that list is short because of external factors.

I think you are right. I must have been thinking Northwood and mixed in with Western who is in 4A and the HC.

Then why vote to boot Harrison and McCutcheon? Only two programs voted not to boot Harrison and McCutcheon and I have to assume it was Harrison and McCutcheon. Assuming that Logansport truly believed their vote, then their move to the HC was totally opportunistic when they saw an opening left by Cass. The other alternative means that they already knew that they were making a bid to leave the NCC and thus it would seem that the honorable thing would have been to abstain from voting about the future of a conference that you planned to leave. Calpreps also shows Logansport finishing behind Western too. That would put them about in the middle of the conference ... by Calpreps would have been fourth third in East last season and third in the West.

Northwestern used to be too.

Poteet's a little old town. Heck, Rensselaer's bigger.