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8 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

I guess I don't understand that, but yes, to each their own. 

I did grow up here, btw. And do coach here now. 

Ok - I'll give this a try:

1. Your original point (from what I gathered) is Brownstown doesn't have a soccer program because of its lack of proximity to a larger metro area. 

2. I said that argument/point doesn't necessarily hold water/make sense - as there are plenty of examples around the State of similar logistics that do have soccer. 

- It's no skin off my back either way, again, was just curious. I think the easier argument/point to make would be "we just don't want it (which you did say) and the community doesn't either" ....that in itself would be shocking to me, just given the culture of things nowadays 

1 hour ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

 I googled all of them before I posted what I posted. I understood how far in minutes and miles they were from Evansville when I posted. Thanks.

We don't have soccer close to us, not hard to figure out. Not sure there was ever anything for you to take issue with....  I was asked a question about why kids in Brownstown don't play soccer. 

I was just genuinely curious (and maybe a little jealous?!) how a school such as Brownstown doesn't have a soccer program. Obviously that is a big win for the football program (in terms of numbers)...I don't necessarily buy the argument of the proximity to a big city being necessary for having a soccer program - that doesn't make much sense to me? But, to each their own....

2 hours ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

What do those schools have in common that Brownstown doesn't? Especially North Posey/Tecumseh.... but even still Pike Central/Tell City have very simple drives/access to... 

Outside of that--- we simply don't want it. 

I actually don't know the answer?? Is there something obvious that I am missing? 

39 minutes ago, btownqbcoach1 said:

We have 480 students, so 240-ish boys... 60-65 of those play football. We also don't really have anyone in the community that cares to have soccer. 

Certainly understand that - but there are plenty of schools with those enrollment numbers and/or fewer that still certainly field a soccer program. (well, maybe not football roster numbers, those are impressive) North Posey, Pike Central, Tecumseh, Tell City come to mind in our conference. 

20 hours ago, Zonefball said:

Brownstown and Eastern for football playing MSC schools

How on earth has Brownstown been able to thwart off having a soccer program at their school?? That seems almost implausible in this day and age? ?

On 1/27/2024 at 12:45 PM, Zonefball said:

Any school that has girls/boys soccer, marching band and football, should have turf. Sounds like the majority of the  MSC is finally getting that figured out, the rest will follow suit. 
 

Tough sell if it’s just for the football team and the school (and community in turn) has to foot the bill. 

How many of the PLAC/MSC teams do NOT have a soccer program?? Is Brownstown the only one?? 

7 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Thanks for the Tag @HoopsCoach sorry not on much when school El ED PE is up and running, but with e learning today I popped in

@jets  yes as @Punttheball mentioned along with Hoops Coach:   That is the combo, ST. JOE has been a slow decline since closing, however count day 2022, we had a tremendous influx of transient families, families came into town, working fields and etc, and there was like 30 some HS age kids, Sept our count was 528, by Xmas we were under 500 and they all disappeared.   They had migrant busses parked an interstate hotel that was occupied for months, had Taco Truck (VERY GOOD MIND YOU) parked on site for them, first time I had ever seen this.   Hasn't happened since.   But yes, that Is what pushed us up to 3a for 2 years where we played in that class with less than 470 kids in the last 2 years.  

 

So it goes 

 

Wow - that is a wild story! (And pretty bad timing in regards to enrollment counts)....

23 hours ago, Punttheball said:

I think they found out they were at the wrong central and moved to Adams Central.

 

In all seriousness, I think it was a large migrant worker population that was added to the schools ADM in the fall of the count year.  

12 hours ago, HoopsCoach said:

 

 

The closure of St. Joseph’s College is probably a factor as well.  Here is the enrollment trend over the last 15 years for Rensselaer Central.  St. Joe closed in 2017.

2009 - 556

2010 - 570

2011 - 538

2012 - 536

2013 - 523

2014 - 553

2015 - 534

2016 - 531

2017 - 498

2018 - 498

2019 - 515

2020 - 494

2021 - 521

2022 - 468

2023 - 447

That's why I asked Coach Nowlin ....figured he had boots on the ground with an explanation

57 minutes ago, Punttheball said:

I think they found out they were at the wrong central and moved to Adams Central.

 

In all seriousness, I think it was a large migrant worker population that was added to the schools ADM in the fall of the count year.  

ADM?? Sorry, I am not familiar with that acronym ?? Care to explain?? 

Is the "migrant worker population" no longer around the area with their children, or did they move to another district?? 

On 1/18/2024 at 11:49 AM, Coach Nowlin said:

speaking of 2 year difference:  Rensselaer in last count 527, Rensselaer this count 447 

What on earth happened to lose that many students??

On 12/14/2023 at 1:44 PM, Titan32 said:

2023 Courier & Press All-Southwestern Indiana Football Team

OFFENSE

QB - Tanner Boyd, Gibson Southern, 6-0, 175, Sr.

QB - Liam Stone, North Posey, 6-1, 185, Sr.

RB - Sean DeLong, Gibson Southern, 5-9, 180, Sr.

RB - Jed Galvin, North Posey, 6-0, 185, Jr.

RB - Carter Holsworth, Jasper, 6-0, 195, Sr.

RB - Landon Terry, Tell City, 5-11, 200, Jr.

WR - Jackson Graff, North Posey, 6-2, 215, Sr.

WR - Michael Herren, Gibson Southern, 5-10, 165, Sr.

WR - Tyler Ruxer, Heritage Hills, 6-4, 207, So.

OL - Brooks Aigner, Boonville, 6-4, 255, Jr.

OL - Kalob Egan, North Posey, 6-1, 260, Sr.

OL - Daniel Nash, Vincennes Lincoln, 6-0, 255, Sr.

OL - Tyson Ruhe, Jasper, 6-2, 210, Jr.

C - Caige Christie, North Posey, 6-1, 210, Sr.

Athlete - Ty Brown, South Spencer, 6-0, 175, Jr.

Athlete - Jett Goldsberry, Heritage Hills, 5-11, 190, So.

Athlete - Xander Hunt, Vincennes Lincoln, 5-10, 155, Sr.

K - Seth Deom, Heritage Hills, 5-9, 165, Sr.

DEFENSE

DL - Yamil Arroyo, Southridge, 5-9, 185, Sr.

DL - Brody Klem, Gibson Southern, 5-10, 220, So.

DL - Brady Schickel, Mount Vernon, 6-3, 200, So.

DL - Stihl Scott, Boonville, 6-5, 245, Sr.

LB - Braydon Durham, Heritage Hills, 6-0, 200, Sr.

LB - Blake Green, Vincennes Lincoln, 6-0, 170, Jr.

LB - Parker Hart, Heritage Hills, 6-3, 205, Jr.

LB - Beau Rose, Gibson Southern, 5-9, 200, Jr.

LB - Jack Rose, Gibson Southern, 5-11, 165, Sr.

DB - Preston Coop, Heritage Hills, 6-0, 200, Sr.

DB - Zach Foster, Gibson Southern, 5-11, 150, So.

DB - Mitchel Leinenbach, Jasper, 6-2, 180, Sr.

DB - Alex Smith, Heritage Hills, 5-8, 136, Jr.

Athlete - Jace Gauer, North Posey, 6-0, 195, Sr.

Athlete - Noah Terry, Tell City, 5-10, 200, Jr.

P - Luke Lindsey, Vincennes Lincoln, 5-11, 170, Jr.

Co-Players of the Year - Jed Galvin, North Posey and Jett Goldsberry, Heritage Hills

Co-Coaches of the Year - Waylon Schenk, North Posey and Todd Wilkerson, Heritage Hills

 

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/high-school/2023/12/14/ihsaa-football-courier-press-reveals-2023-all-sw-indiana-team/71839107007/

Now I remember why I have always despised the C&P. They treat us like dirt- always have. 

I realize postseason success should drive most of these awards- but to have 2 TC players,  3 VL , 3 players from Jasper- and NOT have a particular other SR player on the team (I don’t like to use names)…well- just sits wrong.

But- not that big of deal in the long run- just again reinforces what I’ve always thought of the C&P- trash 

2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Agree on the fall count vs spring count issue.  Way too early to worry about it.   Salem and Charlestown (up to 4A) could really shake up the SE Indiana sectional.

Washington and Bosse are right on the 3/4 cut line as well as WeBo, North Montgomery, and Centerville are close to 2/3A.  Those schools could change the groupings for what was 29/30 and 31/32 in the last classifications. I do not think West Vigo will placed in the "southwest" sectional again and highly unlikely Owen Valley is either.  They will almost certainly be grouped with Edgewood.  

Personally I would love to see Bosse go down to 3A setting up an all CENTRAL time sectional. Mt Vernon, Memorial, Mater Dei, Gibson Southern, Princeton, Heritage Hills, Southridge, and Bosse. 

Um…Dubois County (Southridge)is on - as we like to say - “God’s time” (Eastern)….not stupid…err I mean, Central time! 

5 hours ago, tango said:

If that's the way the IHSAA sets it up it would be wonderful. So many new and old rivalries. A fan's dream. 

First of all- there are fall count numbers, not the Spring ones that the IHSAA will use for classifications. Don’t think they’ll change much- but you never know. 
 

Secondly- if Washington and Pike Central leave 30, does it makes sense for Memorial and MD to slide into their spots? (VL is already in the SIAC)

Not sure what you’d do with 32 with Salem’s departure?? 

39 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

Agreed, this will definitely be a problem moving forward. Not to get off topic because I know this was in a separate thread, but any idea on why the IHSAA did this? The only thing I can come up with is to make it easier for public schools to get back down to their enrollment class. I know it sounds bad, but typically public schools don't have too much success that I can remember when they are the ones success factored up. Maybe Webo and Pioneer had a little success that I can remember. Any other schools I'm missing that SF up and had sectional championship and higher success?

Technically and under the old "1 point to stay up" - SR is STILL SF'd up from our original class from 2017 & 2018 season. Believe we might be the longest tenured public school (maybe New Pal) that was SF'd up and stay up.

2017 - State Champ .....2018- Semi-State (bumped up to 3A)

2019-HH bounced during sectional (no points) ...2020 made it semi state (stay up in 3A)

2021- bounced in sectional (no points)....2022 Sectional champs (stay up in 3A)

2023 - bounced in sectional by HH....

1 hour ago, Just a dad said:

See @foxbat. They are easy to find.

I'm not following??? 

9 hours ago, Just a dad said:

I have learned in a very short time on the GID that some of the people are so attached to their narrative that it has become a defining part of who they are. To admit that there might even be the slightest chance that their chosen narrative might not be 100% correct causes them so much cognitive dissonance that they won’t even give credence to a differing perspective. They have chosen to go all in on the “it’s not fair” argument and that is all it will ever be. You choosing to supply facts and data will never counter their preferred explanation. After all, if they admit that “it’s not fair” is wrong then they are suddenly forced to face the fact that it comes down to something else. Maybe personal accountability. Their egos are too fragile to deal with that. Nice post though. Don’t be surprised if you get blasted by the fairness brigade. 

Hahahahaha....you wanna talk about "EGO!?!?" How much of an ego do you need to have to just honestly believe "we win because we just WORK HARDER, have a better FEEDER SYSTEM and it is our CULTURE." 

Like no one else has figured out those things. 

That, sir, is an EGO. 

3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

This always turns into a ....I have to win this argument kind of discussion.  Any good decent human being who really "cares about the kids" etc. knows there is an advantage in population type that skews enrollment.  Why would someone fight to screw over so many good hard working football kids?  Because it's always been that way?  Why are there so many attempts to fix this issue in every state in the union?  Seems like a lot of effort going into a problem that isn't real.  I would just rather you guys man up and say....we like our advantage, we paid for it therefore we deserve it.  I could live with that.

Me too…I honestly don’t understand how anyone can look at the results and NOT understand the inherent advantage 

3 hours ago, FastpacedO said:

I have yet to see a game where a population type at a P/P school forced little johnny from a Public school to fumble, throw an interception, miss a tackle, or miss a gap assignment. So again how are they getting "screwed" exactly? 

You want to know why there are so many attempts to fix this issue, it is because of the incessant moaning and groaning, 99% of the time for things that don't exist that there is some sort of cheating.

Chatard (which I have no affiliation with) has received a lot of grief over this for years. The talk about boundaries and feeder schools, they post their roster with what elementary school they went to. Guess what all but maybe a couple went to P/P elementary school in their feeder system. There have been plenty of Public schools right there with the talent to beat them. I bet you can go back and look at the game film or statistics and the big difference is they did not turn the ball over or didn't turn it over as much. The RB Kinnett that was a struggle to stop at 5'7" 165 lbs (in a cast) went to St. Pius X literally 7 minutes from Chatard. The DB Guy that had 3 Int's (6 Int's in the last two State Championship games) went to St. Matthew's 7 minutes from Chatard (about halfway between Cathedral and Chatard). They are good hard working football kids too, yet you have no problem saying they have an advantage. I could go on and on naming players.

I know from first hand experience there are teams that are beat mentally before some of these P/P even get off the bus to play them.

I look back over the impressive job Coach Moore has done at Center Grove since he arrived. What he did was instill his philosophy in every aspect of Center Grove and it started with the Bantham Football. They play disciplined, they make very little mistakes. They hit the weight room hard and he has put a major focus on building speed (having been the track coach too). He has built them into a dynasty. all something any team can do starting in their youth program. and filtering it into everything they do. 

Lol…the ol “we have CYO feeder league and tradition- that’s why we’re successful “ argument lol

1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

This entire statement is fair except for the roster count part.  Rosters follow the general student population to a large extent.  Said another way, those 23 freshman are still going to have a significantly different makeup than 23 at Southridge.  It's nobody's fault, just the nature of the business to to speak.

The only guy as thick as this dude on here was Cody.

1 hour ago, Titan32 said:

This entire statement is fair except for the roster count part.  Rosters follow the general student population to a large extent.  Said another way, those 23 freshman are still going to have a significantly different makeup than 23 at Southridge.  It's nobody's fault, just the nature of the business to to speak.

The only guy as thick as this dude on here was Cody.

MUCH DIFFERENT LOL

50 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

I just want someone to tell me how p/p's, if there is no unfair advantage, continue to dominate the classes 1A-3A. That's all I want. And don't tell me they don't because since the SF there have been 33 state title games in those three classes. p/p's have won 18. They make up 10% or somewhere around that of the teams in those three classes. If there isn't an advantage, how do those numbers make sense. I don't want to hear they have a great weight lifting program. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its coaching. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its the youth program. Public schools have that. Don't tell me its a combination of the three. Some public schools have that. So what is it? I wanna hear a private guy explain it to me. You public guys don't win enough state championships, I want someone that knows football to speak on the matter.

Also don't tell me it's the same public schools winning because it isn't. Of the remaining 15 state championships, 12 different public schools won those.

The answer you seek is OBVIOUS - but since I'm a public school representative I guess I don't qualify to answer lol...

On 11/28/2023 at 10:42 AM, US31 said:

 

To be clear...I was never a proponent of SF or a class "bump" for p/p's.  I would have preferred a "clearninghouse" method of counting enrollment (i.e. kids who want to participate in ANY extracurricular - football, sports, music, student gov, or even those parasitic robotics and chess club kids you despise, would be "counted" as they fill out an inschool clearing house form.). Most schools already have a code of conduct form that extracurricular kids have to complete (or something similar) so its not a hard number to determine.  This number would be used for classificaiton.  The percentage of kids in the clearinghouse would probably be very similar between Chatard, Zionsville, Brebeuf, Carmel....but drastically different at Elkhart, IPS, South Bend, etc.

 

 

This might actually be the best idea I've read on this subject in a long time. 

6 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I did....and my athlete just plays who is in front of him ...we don't even discuss the current situation with the IHSAA.  But, I also taught them with regard to life, nothing ever changes when people stick their head in the sand, be a catalyst for change...don't wait for other people to do it...never accept the status quo no matter the push back and no matter how many other people are willing to accept it. 

The IHSAA reads GID.

For the record I have never been a recruiting/transfer complainer....I really don't think those things are the issue.

LOL…well I imagine not!

(Sorry man- you set yourself up for that one lol)

1 hour ago, Screagle said:

Nobody in SW Indiana has had more football move-ins than Gibson Southern and Reitz over the last several seasons. 
Those are facts. I guess it’s not called recruiting since the school is free? 

Haha…well- you ain’t lying. But be careful treading on this subject- I still have the emotional scars from pointing out such obvious factors lol

I was dead wrong on this one. Congrats to Luers and congrats to NP on a great season.

Not a great representation for Southern Indiana this weekend- but proud of the PAC none-the-less. Turns out those parochial schools are pretty tough. 
 

22 minutes ago, combthehair said:

Beat down by the ole private school that plays by different rules. It’s all bullshit. Heritage Hills won’t say it because they are classy. But I will because I’m not. 

Stinks when it happens on the “big stage” for everyone to see- but it happens all over the State to lots of public’s. We dealt with it for years in Sectional vs the mighty MD Wildcats. Imagine how many State finals appearances HH would have if Chatard wasn’t a Southern representative for all those years??

Fear not though- I think NP will score one for the good guys today and not let the P/P make it a clean sweep from 1-3A. 

 

Geez…does no one throw the ball in Northern Indiana?!? Looks like AC has never had to defend a pass route lol

42 minutes ago, Grover said:

 

2 hours ago, Titan32 said:

At the end of the day even with the typical bad GS start, the game was a statistical dead heat and the long pass play was the difference.  It was a one play game.  They have been able to consistently make those plays for several games so it's not like it is a detriment. 

Sounds familiar…

I will say HH has a knack for making the plays when it matters the most. And ultimately- that’s why they’re playing in the biggest game of the year. Championship teams figure out a way to make those plays.

I’ll say this- I have no idea how the game will go- but HH’s defense is very legit.