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So - anybody going to Saturday kickoffs yet?? 

Anybody know if this is being streamed anywhere?? 

3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Reading on Bluegrass preps that this game will be live streamed 

https://stfanclub.com/live/

Sweet...I wasn't looking forward to driving down to wherever Kentucky lol

I'll just say this out loud - Jasper looks pretty legit. Think the SIAC better be on notice.

10 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I would prefer anything to what we have now.  We have enough time in the summer to prepare to play.

What is good for one is not always good for another. Some schools have multiple athletes all over the place during the summer- so really there preseason and acclimation to the heat/hitting truly does come on August 1. Some might find it advantageous to get a "dress rehearsal" of sorts before the real lights come on. 

Regardless of how you handle yours- I think it is a disservice to call it "worthless" - imagine being one of those JV players/tweeners and thinking your time or risk of injury isn't that important. 

I think someone said earlier - just have an intra-squad. I don't believe it is required to have a scrimmage. 

On 7/31/2023 at 10:31 PM, Titan32 said:

https://www.pdclarion.com/sports/hart-leads-talented-and-experienced-team-of-gridiron-titans-into-2023-season/article_2ae521b2-89fe-52c0-b5b4-2f53a1873a1e.html

That is quite an impressive coaching staff Nick has put together. Do you happen to know how many them are in the school building and/or what positions they hold?? 
 

I know I that Nick is the AD …

3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Are there any others I said return that don’t?

Not sure on who you all listed- but we should return 7 starters on both sides of the ball- if academics/eligibility/specialization gonna be “basketball and baseball” stardom doesn’t get in the way lol…(insert eyeroll emoji) 

8 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Ok so looks like Maxpreps isn't cleaned up for SR.  Sooo...at least Schroeder and Arroyo were seniors.  I will look for a SR roster when time allows.

Correct on Schroeder- incorrect on Arroyo. He was a junior last year. 

3 hours ago, Bobref said:

I would really like to hear - from the perspective of someone who deals with seeding as a routine part of the sport - what are the obstacles preventing seeding in football?

15 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Does the IFCA have an official position on seeding?

2 hours ago, oldtimeqb said:

Two short answers: closed conferences and logistics. 

The SAC and SIAC have no games against outside opponents. There might be more conferences that I am unaware of that also fall in this category. Last fall had 6-3 Jasper, Ev Memorial, and Boonville. Jasper beat EM in week 1, but BV had no opponent that played an SIAC school. So coaches would have to go off a ‘hunch.’ 

Honest question. When do the wrestling seeding meetings take place? Football plays week 9 Friday night. When would seeds and pairings be determined? I don’t know a football coach that would want to wait until Sunday. Even Saturday afternoon or evening would be late for game prep for many of them

Ok I’ll try and respond to all these with one post:

1. I believe the IFCA has tried to push forward “only seed the top 2” in each sectional…which is better than nothing- but still kind of the lazy way out. 
 

2. As far as closed conferences and no common opponents- you simply have to set seeding criteria and go with it. It may leave some “head-scratchers” - but ultimately it’s better than 1-9 being in the Championship game while 8-1 goes home. 
In wrestling- if head to head and no commons, you go to past performance (if applicable- Past State placer)- obviously this wouldn’t happen for football. Then win %, etc…

Football would need to set their own- but it could follow something similar. 
 

3. I honestly have no idea what the obstacles are from seeding- except the fact that half of the football coaches don’t want it because they could “luck out” and get the “good draw” or whatever. To me I just want some value to a good regular season….

Sorry for the choppy messages/response- trying to type on a smartphone 

3 hours ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

You also wrestle about 35 matches before Sectionals in wrestling. Probably gonna see every kid you're gonna wrestle in the sectional before it gets there to help with seeding.

I'm all for playing 35 games before the sectionals starts for football, I just don't think a high schoolers body can make it that many games.

Not always....and yet- us dumb wrestling coaches can still figure it out. 

45 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Trust me...it's not in the same universe as GS.  All one has to do is walk through a lunch...down a hall...attend a Grand March.  I would still make the case that MD and GS are very close in terms of effective enrollment.  Again, very non-scientific and I understand the scrutiny such an opinion might bring, but it's the biggest factor and I believe most folks can see it.  The homogeneity of any group/club/school/church where people chose or pay to be a part of it....is always far greater than the general population.   It's just common sense unless you're the one lining your trophy case, then it is because of hard work and fantastic coaching.

OMG - Mr. 32 and I agree on a subject - I have for years called this the "hallway test" !

5 minutes ago, First_Backer_Inside said:

But what is a good regular season? Fort Wayne Luers went 4-5 in the regular season, not a good regular season. They won the sectional and a regional. How do you factor in a 2A or 1A team with a schedule full of 4A and 5A schools. (I agree with you on seeding and think it should happen, just trying to show the problem the IHSAA probably has with it)

The problem is with a lot of the conferences in Indiana, especially for smaller private schools, is they play a lot of bigger schools and their record doesn't look great heading into the playoffs. There are just too many factors for the IHSAA to take into account that my guess is they don't want to mess with because its so much easier to just draw ping pong balls out and write down names of schools. For that reason, I don't see the seeding of sectionals ever happening. I would love for it to happen. What we have right now is just too easy for the IHSAA to do to change it. Also like previously stated, if they change it for football, they have to change it for all the other sports throughout the year, and if football alone was too much work, all those other sports would be even more work. Everyone within the IHSAA would need an even bigger raise.

Wrestling does it every year.

It.is.really.not.that.hard

6 minutes ago, tango said:

I will give you some degree of socioeconomics and definitely increased parental support at p/p schools, but evidently those don't translate to athletic success at Day School, Wash. Catholic or Rivet. As for controlled enrollment, those 3 schools could have significantly higher enrollment and still be 1A, so I'm not sure that holds water. The implication that schools like Memorial and Mater Dei control the enrollment to stay in a given class for athletics is wrong (or "bull crap" as Muda says, LOL). There is no question p/p schools cannot adequately provide for every type of student, especially those with significant learning challenges. Not being able to accept those student is a form of "enrollment control" but it has nothing to do with athletics. Having served on the board of trustees at Memorial for a long time, we would love to be able to accept all students, but the economic reality is we can't. If we could get another 200-300 non-sports playing students, we would take them in heart beat because it would mean tuition doesn't grow by 10-15% every year. 

Of course ...more students = more $$ . I get that. 

Anyone on message boards will pick apart any little thing - but I think the point is pretty clear as far as advantages p/p's have over their public counterparts - thus my feelings for just an "auto-bump" and be DONE with the success factor. 

Oh....AND SEED THE D#@$ SECTIONALS ALREADY! And none of this "only top 2" bologna - do the entire thing - GIVE SOME CREDENCE to a good regular season. 

1 hour ago, tango said:

No. I will never agree that every p/p has advantages over all similarly sized public schools - because it just isn't true. I ask again - what are the advantages that EDS, WC and Rivet have over Tecumseh, Wood Memorial and NE Dubois?  

To be honest, the only 1A p/p I'm aware of that actually plays football is Lutheran, who has demonstrated lots of success and yes, has advantages over most 1A publics. 

Um...the same advantages that every p/p has over their public school counterparts. 

Controlled enrollment, socioeconomic factors, parental support - "clearinghouse issues" as I've read somewhere else on this thread (I like to call it the "hallway test). Do we really need to state them every time this argument gets brought up?? 

18 hours ago, tango said:

Considering there are only a handful of schools currently being SF'ed in football, the other sports are probably relatively similar - a few in any given cycle.  

Me too. I'm okay with no p/p in 1A for football, but not other sports like basketball, baseball, etc. 

But wait ...what if they haven't had any success in football?? You would still move them up?? 

Of course you would because you realize they have built-in advantages over their public counterparts. 

Again - it really is THAT simple. 

23 minutes ago, vicvinegar said:

A lot of programs practice this way everyday. Both H.S. and college. So yes, it can be played that way. 

Of course it can be - but my point in my original post is that during these 11X11 "competitions" - someone most always takes it over the edge. 

Not to hijack this thread - but the title of it reminded me that we are almost to my "favorite" (SARCASM) part of the football season - the PLAY TO THUD/QUICK WHISTLE portion of the summer with these 11X11 scrimmages or whatever you want to call them

Some annoyances to try and avoid for you new coaches - or advice for coaches that just don't get it:

1. This is NOT the Super Bowl

2. Your actions (Coaches) a lot of times will "fuel" the problems that will arise in the scrimmage. (Hooting/hollering, chest-bumping, etc...)

3. Football is already a combative and emotional sport, don't egg it on by inappropriate actions - AND, if you have a player taking it over the edge, remove him/her until they understand no trophies are handed out in June/July

4. As you can probably tell, I DESPISE these things cause I don't really think football can be played at THUD level...someone (either an RB lowering his shoulder) or a safety running full speed downhill will start it...then the next play someone else has to get it back, and on and on. 

- That said, I know they are not going away - so here is to hoping everyone stays healthy and understands the purpose of these things. 

45 minutes ago, tango said:

Please explain their advantages.  Day School has an enrollment of 44, Washington Catholic 74 and Rivet 68. Ev. Christian is just recently eligible for IHSAA tournament play, but EDS, WC and Rivet have been eligible for a long, long time and have had little success in any sport. In boys basketball, EDS had Evansville's career leading scorer (twice actually) and won 1 sectional each time. They have zero advantages over Tecumseh, Wood Memorial, Northeast Dubois, etc. The problem with an automatic bump is while some p/p schools can punch above their weight in many sports (eg. Memorial and Mater Dei in SW IN), there are as many, if not more schools that can barely land one in their own weight.   

Uh....yes.... they do.

I have walked the hallways of Memorial, I have walked the hallways of Mater Dei - and I have walked the hallways of Southridge. They are not the same - not even close. 

5 minutes ago, tango said:

Explain the rationale for putting 1A p/p schools like Ev. Day School, Ev. Christian, Washington Catholic, or Vincennes Rivet in 2A?  

Because they have obvious built-in advantages over their public 1A counterparts . 

Just like seeding the sectionals- it really is NOT that hard. Just bump the P/P up one class and be done with it. They have built-in advantages over Public schools and anyone who denies that is just delusional. 

3 hours ago, Titan32 said:

I'm not ready to jump on the Mt. Vernon train.  I would bet a significant sum of cash that HH beat them handily in game 1.

 

 

And you would LOSE that bet - as we (SR) open up with HH week 1 @ the Jungle thanks to Tecumseh being added and scheduling shuffling. 

Could/Should be one of the more marquee match-ups around the State in week 1 - but I wouldn't pay it much attention as we're not suppose to be any good, ever. 

5 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said:

I don't think people are leaving for Lebanon... I think it is what it is... A small community school corporation.  Class sizes in the elementary schools are small.  The freshman class and senior class right now are rather large, but the current 8th grade class is small.  I don't think there is any one thing or any rhyme or reason as to why.

 

I don't think we are losing kids to Trader's Point either.  

557 to 511 seems to suggest other factors than just "small community class fluctuation" ....A business shut down? Another school opening up? Programs being cut at the school?? 

In Social Studies class we call these things "push factors" ....

You don't see any "push factors" that have driven down enrollment? 

3 hours ago, 1st_and_10 said:

Yes both commercially and residentially.

A quick google search shows that WeBo's enrollment dropped significantly following the 2015-16, 16-17 cycle to the next 2 year window (17-18, 18-19) from 557 to 529 ....any particular reason for such a big drop? 

And it looks like it has been on the decline ever since? People leaving to Lebanon? New School open up? 

13 hours ago, MHSTigerFan said:

Well, I only saw DMs from a certain coach.  So I can’t testify to any others - only hearsay that it happens.

Whether there’s an explicit solicitation for a transfer or not, it ought to be against the rules for coaches at one member institution to initiate contact with a player from another one.

I have no issue with transfers, in general.  But tampering isn’t appropriate.

Yup.

23 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

After several conversations with Coach Mann, I really am excited for the 2023 season. I think he's going to do a great job as a head coach.

Can you tell us what his role in the building will be?? Will he be continuing his position as a math teacher? 

SO...this is good enough for basketball and baseball, but not for football??