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12 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Both teams are on Central....both schools though an early start would be nice since both are on Fall Break.

BoonVegas's defense is pretty tough/physical (no idea what happened in the Linton game) - they could maybe pose a few problems for Gibson ...but eventually GS will figure it out and put points up. Meanwhile, I don't see Boonville's O posing many problems for that Titan D...I believe Gibson will win fairly convincingly and end another stellar regular season.

Which, if I'm doing my math correctly ...is SR the last INDIANA team to beat the Titans, and that was 2 years ago?? That's pretty remarkable. 

19 hours ago, tango said:

I haven't seen VL on film so I don't know much of anything. He seems to be a thinner version of Vera, right? 

I don't think this will be a fun week of practice for the Tigers. Reitz is good but we had a some critical mistakes. Our QB continues to impress me. I'll admit I was skeptical at first, but now in hindsight I wish we had started him from Wk.1.  He may have been able to keep us in the first games on his athletic ability alone. Its a new week so I'm looking forward to seeing how we respond, but mostly excited to just see a different field for a change. I haven't been to Inman Field since 2011.  

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/10/03/could-the-ncaa-transfer-portal-come-to-ihsaa-high-schools/65473757007/

The Courier had this article today about the transfers. It is behind a paywall, but it is a somewhat cursory look at the issue anyway. Doesn't mention all the transfers that took place (only Herdes, Davies and Rode). Pretty sure there was more than just Davies who transferred to Reitz from other EVSC schools. Mentions that Herdes moved and Rode had to file a lawsuit, but not whether any of the others moved or just got waivers since they were EVSC to EVSC.  

Appreciate the Courier's effort to bring the issue to light - but it is not new to this year nor will it stop in the future. Those that play the game best will reap the rewards. 

Publishers hands are tied really for coming out and calling it what it is - everyone is afraid to get sued nowadays - IHSAA included. 

1 hour ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

 

This is pretty close to how I see it playing out.  
 

however for 3A I’ll go Lawrenceburg over West Lafayette. 

I would love to see GS make it back to LOS and go for B2B titles….but at the same time everyone in the GS community essentially put the expectation of a state title on the team the last 4 years….especially on Brady Allen.  I’m thankful Brady lived up to those expectations and it happened the way it did. 

I think right now this years GS team has already exceeded everyone’s expectations going 7-0 through a schedule most were hoping we would be 5-2 on.  

i honestly just want them to win the sectional and take it a week at a time from there.  
 

I think Lawrenceburg vs West Lafayette would be a lot of fun to watch and a good game….and Lawrenceburg has continually just ran into SW buzzsaws…between Memorial/Heritage Hills/GS it seems they always just run into the wrong team at the wrong time.  So it would be fun to see them get over the hump.  They will need to make some big upsets along the way but they could pull it off this year. 

We never count for anything it seems lol...

On 9/25/2022 at 7:19 PM, Bobref said:

6 on the line is a legal formation, so long as you have 5 players numbered 50-79 on the line (assuming none of the numbering exceptions apply).

So - what a minute here - you're telling me that we can have 5 in the backfield and have a legal formation?!? 

Or..the 6 man on the line is only when considering 10 players in the game? 

Is this thread serious??? 

Isn't there a big push in the NFL right now to get rid of all sod/grass fields because of injuries?? 

Believe it was the Shepard receiver who went down on Monday night and they made a big deal about grass fields being unsafe. 

10 minutes ago, cloudofdust said:

Not intending to remove judgement at all. I believe officials have an incredibly difficult job. You know rules better than anyone on the sidelines and I fully understand when and why judgment comes in to play. I was just elaborating on the scenario jets gave with a very specific scenario. It's what I have seen the most of in the past.

 

And so back to my original question on the subject - how is what you described ANY DIFFERENT than what Bob posted with the punt scenario?? 

4 minutes ago, Bobref said:

No, depending on the circumstances. It’s not really something you can evaluate without seeing it.

In all your years of officiating and evaluating football, you mean to tell me you can't picture in your head the above scenarios?? (Flexbone motions, hand-clap/hard count/"check with me") 

Or are we just avoiding the question because there is no good explanation for why one is called, and the others are not?? 

2 hours ago, Bobref said:

One that you still see from time to time is the quick shift from punt formation on 4th and 5 or less, attempting to cause the defense to encroach. 

The thing some coaches don’t know is that one of the definitions of a false start is “an act clearly intended to cause B to encroach.” Once had a coach in a semistate game explain this play to me, and after he got done I told him it was a false start. He told me they had done it 4 times that season, every one successful. I congratulated him, but told him it wouldn’t work tonight. You know, he tried it anyway! We called a false start. They won the game, and the next week in the state finals he went through the same thing with their crew. They also told him it was a foul. And again, he did it anyway, and they called him on it. SMH.

I'm not smart enough to embed a video clip - but can you explain the difference in the above clip and say - a flexbone team doing the "dummy motion" with a hard snap count. Aren't they both "clearly intended to cause B to encroach?" 

As since we're using that quote in the rulebook - isn't the "hand clap/hard count/check with me" doing the same thing?? 

On 9/24/2022 at 9:44 AM, Titan32 said:

You have honestly convinced yourself that privates and publics have the same dead weight...or even close for that matter?  The enrollment type between the two completely dissimilar organizations is significant enough for about half the states in the union to use a multiplier.  Oh but wait, that is only to punish the harder working better coached privates (I forgot).

We lived in the Mater Dei world during our time in 2A - so we were well versed in the public/private world. 

It is a little ironic, that down here in our Southwestern neck of the woods - it would be a GS Titan pointing out the "effective enrollment" (I like that term by the way) difference between the 2 (Public vs. Private) - given Gibson's socioeconomic status vs. some other neighboring public schools.

Point being - GS is still far better off than most other public's - but it doesn't change your original point either of it not being the same deck of cards vs. Private's. 

As is life I guess...

10 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Lighten up spanky, I might be an @ss but I'm no child.  Since 2012 we have been the best PUBLIC 3A school in Indiana for at least a handful of years and in the top 3 for the rest, arguably/subjectively.  I would estimate our "effective" enrollment somewhere around 500, actual enrollment 704 as compared to Chatards effective enrollment of 667, actual enrollment 667.  My oldest son lost to Chatard in Semi-State in 2015. 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2015/11/21/semistate-chatard-beats-gibson-southern-war/76203244/

My middle son lost by 1 point to a HH team that went to the State Championship and lost to Chatard 34-3 in 2019.  I have a friend who sent his sons to Chatard.  My youngest son was the sophomore RB/SLOT on our state championship team last year and does the same thing this year but has an additional role of strong safety.  I dedicated 20 years to our youth league, middle school (the cool kids call that feeder) and strength programs in leadership and coaching roles.  I was on the search committee who interviewed Coach Hart.  I am a professional who works in Evansville, however, we chose to stay in Gibson County and commute, otherwise my kids might have attended Mater Dei or Memorial (not a big fan of the EVSC).

Here is an aerial view of the Gibson Southern and nearby communities.

 

 

 

 

 

Now it all makes so much sense...

19 hours ago, Cappy said:

If the only thing you know about the Vikings is what happened the night we played Southridge I completely understand this thought. The young Vikings got punched in the mouth by a veteran Raider team and didn’t respond how we’d like, fortunately that game doesn’t define us. We are banged up and have some tough games ahead (starting with Tecumseh) but still have a lot of talent and will continue to improve. Half our starters aren’t eligible for their drivers license yet, these young men have a lot to learn about winning. Good group of kids that took a big step last week and had a little luck too. 

If you say so. Believe we start 3 seniors on offense (one because of an injury), and 5 on defense?? 

Granted- I get your point - it's better than having 2 on the entire roster. 

I figured it was just an off night as such and NP was better than they showed. 

From an HH perspective - I get the Boonville loss...they are pretty tough. 

What in the world happened in the NP-HH game?? That one raised an eyebrow...

Maybe it was just one of those nights. 

14 hours ago, TitanFootball said:

What happened to the Goldsberry kid playing QB this yr?  That was the rumor in the off-season. 

Not into the rumor game - but word on the street is Coach Wilk is getting a lot of heat to make this happen. Will see how it transpires...

9 hours ago, Miner_Pride said:

Sullivan Comes to the Roy to Face Unbeaten Miners

If you are from this area in Southwestern Indiana, and a sports fan, you need no prodding to know of this rivalry between the Arrows and the Miners.  Separated by 15 miles of Highway 54, these two have met over 100 times with Sullivan slightly ahead in win over-all.  However, the Miners have been dominant on late winning 10 of the last 12 meetings, and 21 of the last 27.  Last year the Arrows struck first and led 7-0, but Linton put up the next 27 points to win 34 to 21.  2020’s Overtime  win for the Miners was then-sophomore Hunter Gennicks first start as a Miner, and he scored the winning points on a QB run to win 22 to 16,  Sullivan, in Coach Blaine Powell’s final year, finished 7-3 falling in the sectional championship to Owen Valley.  The Miners would roll undefeated before losing 28-27 to Evansville Mater Dei in sectional championship.

2022 brings changes with Head Coach Mike Caton moving up to lead the Arrows.  But more so, a change in Sectional assignments put Sullivan and Linton in 2A Sectional 37.  Sullivan also moved down in class from 3A to 2A, and the Miners moved from a sectional dominated by Mater Dei the last four years. Other teams in Sectional 37 include Cascade, Greencastle, North Knox, North Putnam, South Vermillion and Southmont.  The Arrows started the year with wins at North Knox 31-12 and at Sportland Field over South Vermillion 24-14.  The big matchup with unbeaten Northview which many though was for the WIC title, went 28-7 for the Knights in Brazil last week.  Linton meanwhile has put up 172 points in wins over Parke Heritage (56-6), North Vermillion (64-15) and 52-27 over previous unbeaten Monrovia.  Those 172 points (57.3ppg) are those most scored in the 1^st three games going back at least pre 1994, and I’m guessing not surpassed.  Being in the same class, and same sectional adds another dimension to this rivalry.

Linton is unquestionably led by Sr QB Hunter Gennicks (#14, 6’0 195).  He has had back to back 160+ rushing games for a total 415 on 23 touches with 7 TDs.  Sr Hunter Johns (#12, 5’8 180) has tallied 7 scores and has 270 yards rushing on 22 carries, also with two 100+ yard games.  These two, dubbed “The Firm” of Hunter & Hunter are responsible for 685 yards of the teams 1,044 and 14 of Linton’s 20 rush TDs.  But they are far from the only weapons on a Miner offense averaging 458.7 total offense, 348.0 of that coming on the ground game.  Soph Jesse Voigtschild (#8, 5’7 150) is undersized but finds the opening and is quick, adding 94 yards on 11 touches with 3 of those TD runs.  Jr Braden Walters (#16 6’5 190) has 79 yards on 8 carries and a score in 2 games played, Jr Ashton White (#33 6’0 195) at FB, and Soph Eli Scott (#21, 5’9 150) at WB (started week one) could also see action.  Gennicks has been on target hitting on 24 of 40 for 332 yards 4 TDs and no picks passing the ball.  The Passing game accounts for just over 110 yards per game and features a load of basketball players with 6’4 205 Sr Logan Webb #23, & 6’3 205 Fr Paul Oliver #13.  Webb has 9 receptions for 93 yards and a TD, Oliver 3 for 22 and a score.  Linton’s WB’s figure highly in the scheme of passing, and Walter’s @ 6’5 has been a big play guy with 9 catches for 130 yards and a TD.  Voigtschild has 2 for 80 yards and a long TD score. The starting line, otherwise known as the “Trench Dawgs”, have been a dominating group.   Left side manned by Tackle Soph Hank Gennicks (#69, 6’2 250) and Guard Sr Wrigley Franklin (#51 6’3 225); Right side Tackle Jr Jacob Breedlove) #77 6’7 300) and Guard Sr Aiden Giles (#56, 6’3 200).  The Center is Sr Nathan Watson (#74, 6’0 255).  This group faced a huge Monrovia defensive front and paved paths for 353 rushing yards last week.  They’ve been very physical with Gennicks and Franklin each 10 pancake blocks, Giles and Breedlove with 6 each, Watson adding 5. 

The Golden Arrows return 3 starters from this matchup in 2021 but loaded with seniors at 7.  They will lineup NT Gunner Bowman (#66, Sr, 5’9 265) with Senior Ends Skyler Boone (#58 5’10 210) and Cody Adams (#3 5’10 190).   Bowman and Adams both starters last year.  At Middle Linebacker stands Sr Lane Deckard (#28, 5; 8 190) with Outside Backers Sr Joshua Wence (#5 5’11 175) and Jr Camden Singer (#72, 6’3 225).  Wence is 2^nd on tackles with 24 and 4 TFL. Singer with 14.  Sullivan run 5 DBs with 3 safeties- returning starter Sr Luke Adams (#1, 5’11 170), Soph DJ Gaines (#32, 5’10 165) and Jr Seth Portlet (#8, 5’10 155).  Gaines leads the Arrows with 28 tackles.  The corners are Junior Isaak Osborne (#4, 5’9 160) and Senior Eli Gettinger (#47, 6’3 175).   Sullivan has given up 352.3 yards per game and North Knox and Northview had success running with 304 and 381 on the ground, while holding S.Vermillion to just 34.  However the Wildcats put up 25 passes gaining 255 in the air. 

On offense for Sullivan it’s Senior Rowdy Adams (#2, 5’10 175) who runs and passes well.  He is 20 of 35 for 260 yards, 2 TDs and 1 pick, hitting 57% of his tosses thus far in 2022.  He threw for 136 and 2 scores again Linton in 2021. He along with FB Deckard have accounted for most of Sullivan’s run game.  The Arrows average 261.0 of offense,  123.7 on the ground of which Deckard has 149 on 39 carries, Adams, 136 on 26. Both have 2 rushing scores. Sr Joshua Wence (#5 5’11 175) has 6 carries for 40 yards and a TD).  Northview’s defense knocked that average down holding Sullivan to just 87 rush yards, where they had 161 and 123 to start the year. Adams missed much of week 2’s win over s.Vermillion but Jr Jonathan WIley (#15 5’10 175) came in to pass 12 of 22 for 118 yards and a TD plus run for 37 and another TD.  Gone are William Newby, 6’5 Jackson Hills, Carter McKey and Randy Kelley from 2021, with a new set of receivers led by Sr #1 Luke Adams with 15 catches for 127 yards and a score.  Newcomer James Propes (#16 6’3 185) has 108 yards and a score on his 5 receptions, #34 Gaines with 8 for 80, and Sr Evan Royer (#9 5’9 190) with 4 for 32.  Sullivan averages 137.3 per game in the air.  3 starter return from ’21 on the offensive with LG Sr Mason Drake (#56 5’10 200), RT Jr Sebastian Ortiz (#65 6’1 275) and RG Sr Lucas Copenhaver (#61 6’1 270).  Copenhaver moved from Center where Sr Gunner Bowman (#66 5’9 265) is in ’22.  LT Jr Camden Singer (#72 6’3 225) rounds out the OL. 

Linton’s defense may have had concern with the losses from graduation, but through 3 games they have allowed just 253.33 per game, and much of that coming against the scrubs in running clock second halves.  Monrovia was a powerful rushing team put up 219 on the ground, but also scored on some big wide open pass plays.  Linton held their 1^st two opponents to less than 100 rushing.  A revamped Linebacker unit of ILB’s Sr Braydn Cox (#5, 5’10 185) and Sr Aiden Giles (#56 6’3 200) split time with Jr Ashton White (#33 6’0 195) and Fr Russell Goodman (#6’2 180) along with OLB’s Sr Wrigley Franklin (#51 6’3 225) and Fr Paul Oliver (#13 6’3 205). This group has performed well with White the leading tacklers with 24, Franklin 18.5 with 4 for loss and a couple sacks.  Cox with 18 and Oliver adding 4 TFL and a sack.  Franklin and Oliver each a 6; 3” have several pass blocks at the LOS as well.   Up front Linton uses quickness and hard nose playing from Jr Christian Shonk (#4, 5; 10 180) at NT and he had 4 TFL and a QB sack to his credit. On either side is Jr Ty Boyd (#9 6’1 210) and Soph Hank Gennicks (#69 6’2 250) at DT’s.  Boyd has 1.5 TFL. We have also seen Sr Nathan Watson at NT as sell as Jr Blane Kirkman (#79 5’10 25) and Fr Linkyn Yarber (#65 5; 11 215) at DT.  Eli Scott (Soph #21 5’9 150) shows up at OLB as well.

The Defensive Backfield will be tested with Sullivan spread offense which is very close to North Vermillion’s style but with some better athletes and experience.  Linton changed defenses against Monrovia’s rush heavy offense, but should be back in their familiar, and I suspect, more comfortable 3-4-3.  This features Corners Sr Logan Webb (#23 6’4 205) and Soph Jesse Voigtschild (#8 5’7 150).  Veterans Gennicks and Johns are at Safety both with speed to catch about anyone.  Gennicks and Voigtschild, along with Boyd have picks for Linton, Gennicks’ went 67 yards for a score.  Voigtschild had one last week overturned by an inadvertent whistle nobody heard.  Linton has put Soph Hayden Feltner (#15 6’1 165) at CB and could possible use Jr Braden Walters (#16 6’5 190). Gennicks has 16 stops in run support, Feltner with 13 in limited action.  All in all a solid group that will only improve as the season prevails.  Out of the 253.3 per game allowed, 121.67 comes against rush, 113.67 in the air.  Sullivan has shown a good balance of run (123) and pass (137).  I suspect the Arrows will try to establish a ground attack to lure the DBs into run support then catch the Miners with blown coverages for big plays if not scores.   North Vermillion in a similar set could not run the ball and their talented QB Jerome White had to air it out 23 times hitting on 10 but all under 10 yard passes, one of which was a WR screen behind the LOS that went 37 for a score.   Sullivan has, in the past, always utilized big tall physical tight end types who run in slots causing a difficult matchup for Miner defenders.  Think 6’5 215 Jackson Hills and 6’0 235 Jackson Shake from year past.  This year with two 6’3 OLBs, and a 6’4 corner, and possible another at 6’5 things may be more even.  Other than Propes at 6’3” the Arrows are under 6’0” in WR. 

One are that is glaring in its favor to Sullivan has to be special teams, and more specific- in PAT and Place Kicking.  Sullivan has Sr Giuseppe Leone who is 8 of 8 in PAT kicks, and 2 of 4 on Field goals with a long of 43.  This means from around the Miner 25 Sullivan can put points on the board with his leg, and you can be about 100% sure a touchdown will be 7 points and not 6.  Plus, he has kicked off 17 times with a 55+ yard average.  He is also the punter.  In a close game, a good place kicker can be the difference in a one point loss.  Consequently, Linton has not looked good on a PAT kick this season.  4 misses, and another 2 had bad snaps that didn’t give the kicker a chance.  In fairness the bad snaps did not give Jose’ Sevilla-Garcia a chance to show his ability, and he was 9-13 last year splitting with 2 other kickers.  Linton should be well-versed in 2-point plays, and actually have been 11 of 19 (3 of 5 running, 6-11 passing, with 1 attempt a sack, the other two bad snaps winding up unsuccessful.  Kicking has been ugly at 0-6 counting the bad snaps.  I can only hope we stay ahead of the score and not have to chase points or Sevilla-Garcia and the Miner kick team have put in extra work this week!   Linton has only punted 2 times this year, but Paul Oliver has handled those well, including a nice high 3 yard kick last week.  Braden Walters took over Kick offs in week 2 and usually hits a high enough kick for good coverage averaging 35+ per kick. Russell Goodman averages 37+ in week 1.  I would say both teams have explosive return men capable of breaking a big play at any time.  Luke Adams has a 40 yard kick return and Isaak Osborne has a 21 yarder.  Hunter Johns has a 40 yard punt return for Linton as well with Jesse Voigtschild a threat as well.  I should mention Linton always gets pressure on the punter, with Oliver having 2 blocks and nearly 2 others, Franklin with a tip as well. 

It’s a well-documented rivalry with as many tales of off the field antics as much as on the field plays. The result of this game a year’s worth of bragging rights of which Linton has earned the bulk of in recent years.  For Sullivan, the passing away of would be senior Jeremiah Vernelson is a source of great energy in Arrow-Land, and certainly something that transcends the sport or any rivalry.  Linton’s baseball team showing respect by hanging a jersey in their dugout with Vernelson’s jersey number an example.  Another factor has to be the rankings this week in both AP and Indiana Coaches with the Miners moving to #1 for the 1^st in their 2A years.  Nothing more could motivate the Arrows than to go to Roy Williams Field in Linton and knock the hated Miners from their perch atop the state rankings and from a quest for an undefeated season.  But as I type this, I know Linton’s Coaching Staff with Head Coach Brian Oliver, Coordinators Jake and Mark Gennicks, from the assistants down to the youth coaches there will be a constant theme.  You don’t lose to Sullivan. These are the games you talk about years later over a sandwich at McDonalds, a beer at the VFW or Sportsman’s Pub, at family reunions where brothers, Uncles, Fathers and Son… even Grandfathers relish tales of games gone by.  You can never go back to play it again.  Give it your all the first time around, and usually for Seniors it’s your last crack at the Arrows, and vice versa.  But this year being in the same sectional means a possible rematch. For this year’s seniors at Linton, it’s a chance to go 4-0 against Sullivan. 

Games like these are big time those young men suiting up in Red and Blue and running down that sideline carrying the battle flags, then up the tunnel as they are introduced.  These are times they need to see, feel and hear the Miner Faithful in person in the flesh at the Roy.  Last week’s opening home game with Monrovia was a pleasant site to see a large turnout with end zones and stands full.  But it can be more.  The weather is supposed to be perfect for Friday Night Football.  The Miners need your support, and you can bet Sullivan will bring their throng of support.  Let’s make this happen!   7:00 kickoff; Miners and Arrows, where else would you want to be?

Always enjoy reading your write-ups. You bring a lot to the digest, and I don't want to be "that-guy" that picks apart one line in an otherwise great write up...

BUT - you are better than that. Come on man

Haven't read through all the mumble/jumble in this thread, so apologize if I'm beating a "dead horse" here - but this is not SHOCKING news in the least. Well, a little shocking that it would be an assistant Coach doing the contacting...the modus operandi usually involves a parent doing the heavy lifting trying to sway a family or 2 to said new school. 

Appreciate the IHSAA at least trying to have some sort of rules/regulations - but they are fighting a losing battle in most cases. 

41 minutes ago, HHPatriots said:

Indeed.  Boonville turned over the ball 4 times against SR.  SR only won 13-0.  Boonville had a TOTAL of 29 yards on offense.  They must have a good defense.  TC has got some things going for them, I expect them to beat FP.  

NP and SR could be the game to see.  

The rest of the games are pretty obvious....South Spencer will pick up one of their couple wins.  MV will destroy Princeton and Gibson Southern will decimate the Hatchets, their children will feel that loss.

Red zone mistakes (penalties and turnovers of our own) will do that. 

Charlestown with 2 nice victories to start the season. (Silver Creek and Brownstown). For someone not from around the area - was this expected or kind of unforseen?? How were the Pirates last year? They return a lot I'm assuming? 

9 minutes ago, Bobref said:

If that’s what the kid wants to do, why shouldn’t he be able to do that?

And it’s only “tampering” if you define it as such. If my kid is a math whiz, why shouldn’t he be able to go to high school A, which has a great math teacher? And if that math teacher switches to another school, why shouldn’t my kid be able to follow him/her?

One of the rationales for open enrollment was that schools would end up competing with one another for students. As a result, they would have to step up their game to compete successfully, and the students would benefit. Why do we always think athletics should be immune to that type of reasoning?
 

 

Because Bob...there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. 

This is comical that this ONE SCHOOL gets called out by the IHSAA when we all know it is happening all over the place. 

4 minutes ago, crimsonace1 said:

A kid can go wherever he wants. 

But a school cannot openly recruit students to play sports. Some walk right up to (and, honestly, obliterate) that line by hiring travel sports coaches whose players seem to just happen to transfer to that school (or people with connections to certain travel sports programs who act as "feeders" for those programs, but you cannot reach out to people to try to get them to transfer for athletic-related reasons. 

I've heard of schools skirting this by having the parents (so therefore, no official school personnel) reach out to promising middle schoolers at area schools. About 20 years ago, I got a phone call from the athletic secretary of a school fuming because she got a phone call from the parents at a local private school who were trying to sell them on the benefits of an education and the athletic experience at that school (her response: "I'm a school athletic department staffer, I know the rules, you're recruiting, but trying to get around it by having the parents contact me. And no, we're not going anywhere else." 

They can move on their own - and I coached kids in middle school whose parents were clearly shopping them around to every private school in the area - but coaches and school personnel cannot try to entice someone to leave their current school to attend yours. 

Sounds like I've heard of this somewhere before also...

13 hours ago, Screagle said:

Yep. Memorial playing 4A football  and staying 4A because of kids who graduated 3 and 4 years ago.  

4 hours ago, DumfriesYMCA said:

Yes because last year Memorial definitely did not make it to semi state as a 4A and they definitely haven’t been one of the top teams in 4A.

 

you have my support when it comes to the possibility that EM could be playing in 5A despite barely having a 3A enrollment….but Memorial belongs in 4A and that’s not even remotely a hot take or something unearned 
 

 

Well - you probably won't like the upcoming statement - but Memorial doesn't receive the same sympathy as a Southridge when it comes to the SF. The Success Factor was put in place for the Chatard's & Memorial's of the world (private/parochial). We aren't exactly playing with the same deck of cards....

Well...in our "neck of the woods" (Southern Indiana) - let's take a quick quiz.

Since the implementation of the SF, which schools have been forced up due to tournament success?

A. Gibson Southern

B. Mater Dei

C. Heritage Hills

D. Southridge

While I realize their time is probably quickly coming (Mater Dei and Gibson Southern) - we've personally felt the sting/pitfalls of such a program. Not only after a State Championship, but also acquiring enough points to STAY up (I realize enrollment was going to put us there anyway in the newest classification cycle.) 

Bottom line, we had kids who weren't even in the high school program paying for the successes of kids who are now in the junior/senior year of college...and that just seems weird. 

But, as they say, "it is what it is"

23 minutes ago, oldtimeqb said:

I would agree with this idea. I think that probably is the best way to handle it. 
 

I will point out that there have been fights/skirmishes at NFL joint practices.  So even at the highest levels, chippyness can get out of hand. 
 

 

Correct - that's the competitive nature of the beast - I understand all that. 

HOWEVER- the original point of my post was to point out how often it seems to be "antagonized" or...I don't know the correct word to use - but sure isn't helped by celebrating/chest thumping coaches. 

Again, as a coaching community, we should be better. 

As another football summer is drawing to an end - something that has been on my mind that I don't really know where to address it - but wanted to get it out there - I thought I'd share something that I've noticed that has been a troubling trend that I've observed throughout the last couple summers.

These 11 on 11 "scrimmages" or whatever it is you want to call them.

While they CAN be a great tool for self-evaluations - I've been a little "taken aback" or "put off" by some of the antics by fellow coaches that are supposedly there to coach up their own teams - but yet it turns into a "macho/chest bumping/screaming/hollering" antics after a given play or whatever it is. 

I get the competitive nature of these things - but in June/July there are no championships won or trophies given out...can't we just cool it with all of that? 

I know I sound like an old "get off my lawn" type - but it seems it has just gotten increasingly worse as the summers have gone on. 

I'm now into my 16th year coaching (where does the time go?) - but I find it hard to believe that "back in the day" (if these things were allowed) - some of my ol ball coaches going crazy after a play trying to drum up excitement. 

I've seen it escalate into chippyness - and kids take after their leaders - so what do you expect? 

As a coaching community - we can and should do better. 

That is all.  

Come on now guys - it's really NOT THAT HARD. 

We do it in wrestling every year. You don't need sagarin or CalPreps or any other computer system. 

No anonymous voting. 

You get the head coaches in a room with a tournament director. You have a list of criteria (Head to head, common opponents, etc..) and you hash it out. 

It FINALLY gives some credence to a good regular season. 

Everyone wins in this scenario.  

On 7/20/2022 at 3:58 PM, temptation said:

Has any statewide data been collected recently?  One would have to think that central Indy coaches would be heavily in favor but do they speak for the rest of the state?

And of course the million dollar question every time this topic comes up:  HOW?

Just ask wrestling coaches - it is really not that hard. 

13 minutes ago, temptation said:

So somewhere in the middle of where @HHF and @jets are projecting?  Got it.

Well - I didn't mean to imply we're talking 2021 State Championship material. Those years are special, and few/far between. LOTS of things have to come together.  

But I think some from the outside think they'll be a massive drop- but most down here know better.