BTF

If Allen couldn't win the MIC with all the resources at Ben Davis, what made IU think he could win in the Big Ten?

Not many programs can say that their success is spanning into it's sixth decade.

Congrats Valpo. It was a long time coming for a historically good program.

If Snider wins the *rematch* next year with Valpo and wins state, then both teams move up and Dwenger moves down. That could pave the way for a Merrillville, North Side, or Mishawaka to represent 5A in 2024. *With several starters returning for both teams, they'll probably start the season as the favorites out of the north.

Carroll may have had the biggest crowd among all 12 contenders. Their student section still showed lots of spirit late in the 4th quarter. Ninety nine percent of the fans stuck it out till the end and cheered their team on. With that kind of community support, this could be just the beginning for the Carroll program...............a sleeping giant if you will.

Reveals what exactly?

I think Snider and Valpo take a backseat to Merrillville with Rodney now on board.

I'm just throwing possibilities out there. Having never been a coach, I don't have any idea.

Lol, if that makes you feel any better. Happy Thanksgiving.

Could sitting in a bus stagnant for 2 hours, then getting out and playing in wind chill temperatures of 5 degrees have contributed? Just saying. HSE had a lot of injuries that game. Carroll didn't. I dunno, maybe Carroll just hits hard.

Penn is a bad example. It was just a few years ago that they embarrassed Carmel and this year they were leading Cathedral in the 3rd quarter. Elkhart is a brand new school, they won't win state overnight. Someone from the Region will have to tell you why Lake Central is bad. And no one ever said it was all about numbers. Numbers is just a major contributing factor.

Hamilton Southeastern was obliterated by injuries during the game and Carroll was not. Was that a testament of Carroll's hard hitting ability? Or was there maybe a contributing factor?

Best contribution so far. Rodney for Governor.

So still just the one example?

Thank you for the education. My respect level for Chatard just shot up to my respect level for Dwenger.

Eric Moore era.......two decades. I think we can move on from "recent." You guys keep bringing up Center Grove. Ok, we get it. Westfield is good, I'll give you that. But I'm citing state championships. Carmel, Warren Central, and Ben Davis own that category with 9 each. The three largest schools. It's not just coincidence, there's more to it. I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade that "they just work harder and do it better." Center Grove has a long way to go to catch up, but they've certainly bucked the trend. Kudos to Coach Moore and the effort he has given that program over the last 20 years. You guys are exhausting.

With the exception of Cathedral. If I'm a Catholic parent with a son who has D1 potential, I'm choosing Cathedral first and foremost. If travel is an issue, then I'm going with the team closer by......Roncalli or Chatard. I thought Dwenger was an anomaly. Are 95% of Roncalli and Chatard's players from within their feeders?

Chris Geesman = Eric Moore.

When did I say class had anything to do with it? Football inside the circle (IPS) stinks no matter the enrollment.

Not really. There are no other conferences from top to bottom, maybe the Duneland, that are anywhere near similar to the HCC and MIC in terms of enrollments. Bad example.

All predictions go out the window in Friday's weather conditions. To be fair, same can be said for the HSE/Carroll game.

Again, one example. Center Grove. Eric Moore could accomplish the same thing at any school in the state that is similar in size or SES. Geography doesn't matter in this case.

"The IHSAA thru ticket sales and on-line profits are used for operations and supports the give back to schools." Not a horrible thing.

I'm just saying football in inner city Indy is bad. I mean really bad. You have a point with Pike, I guess they are one mile inside the donut...........which is the area I cited.

Private schools in Indy have a metro area of 2 million to choose from. I don't think Indy Catholics are a good example. Center Grove. Good example. But one example isn't good enough in my opinion. You guys keep hitting us with Center Grove. You can't erase the fact that the three largest schools in Indiana have won most of the large division championships. Friday's game: Center Grove is Center Grove. It's hard to predict against them. I'll say Trojans by 14.