Footballking16

4 minutes ago, DT said:

Tier 1 :  OSU, UM, PSU, WIS

Tier 2 : IA. MSU, NW, MN, NE

Tier 3 : IU, PU, RU, IL, MD

Tier 1: OSU, UM, PSU, WIS

Tier 2: MSU, IA, NW, MN

Tier 3: PU, IU, NE, MD

Rutgers is in a tier of their own. They stink.

2 minutes ago, Gipper said:

I just don't see Rutgers as legit.   They may qualify for the Outback Bowl a time or two, but nothing beyond that as they're stuck in the B1G East with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.

I think Outback Bowl is giving them wayyyy too much credit. That would involve a 9, possibly 10 win season. Ain't happening in the B10 East. 

3 minutes ago, DT said:

They are paying their coach $4M   They have some resources.  The governor of NJ was at Schiano introductory press conference.  They are going all in.  NJ has a lot of talent.  If I were looking for a coach and had the choice of Lovie, Allen, Brohm or Schiano, Id take Schiano.

 

Every P5 school hiring is paying their coach ~$4/mil. That's the going rate these days. This isn't 2008 anymore. Rutgers could compete in the old Big East, they are doomed in the B10.

2 minutes ago, DT said:

Every conference has multiple tiers.

Tier 1 - Consistent top level

Tier 2 - Consistent mid level

Tier 3 - Consistent lower level

Rutgers is a T3 program.  Their goal is to bump to Tier 2 status, same as Indiana, Illinois and Purdue.  

The addition of Schiano makes this now a 4 team race.

 

Not disagreeing about tiers although I would put Rutgers in a tier of their own. They STINK.

They aren't anywhere close to passing anyone. 

Rutgers doesn't have the money/facilities/resources/fan support to compete in the B10. 

Rutgers will enjoy a short period uptick in recruiting (similar to that of Purdue the last couple years) by being able to offer immediate playing time until it plateaus. 

7 minutes ago, Bobref said:

DT, your training philosophy is stuck in the 70s. I can assure you with modern training methods, you can increase explosiveness and acceleration by adding muscle. He’s a running back. Nobody cares how fast he runs 400 meters, or even 100 meters. It’s more important how fast he runs 10 meters, and increasing power and explosiveness addresses that.

Shhh. We don't want to confuse certain posters about timed-speed.

18 minutes ago, DT said:

2020 looks like a 4 or 5 win season in WL.  

I think that's a doom scenario but there should be some major concern with the lack of development across the offensive line heading into year 4 along with a very thin, albeit talented D-line. I think Purdue fans see the uptick in recruiting, but its loaded at the skill positions and not spread across the field. Guys like Moore, Bell, and Wright are great individual talents, but not talents who single handily are going to will your teams to victory. Not going to have very much success if you can't protect your QB or stop anybody at the LOS. Most Purdue fans I interact with dismiss last season as an anomaly due to injuries, but many seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket banking on a bunch of RS freshman or injured underclassmen who have yet to see significant  game action. I still think Purdue is at least two years away from really being able to "contend" for a B10 west title.

7 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I strongly disagree 

As stated by the current 2020 recruiting class he still has verbal after the 4-8 season. 

I believe Purdue is on track to be consistent 8-9 win teams each year moving forward and on special years get into double digits wins and berth in B10 Title game

1 poor year playing mostly Freshman and Sophomores and all of sudden his value had plummeted.    Interesting   

 

 

When do you realistically see Purdue becoming an 8-9 win team moving forward? 

Purdue's secondary is bad, their LB corps isn't great, and they are very thin on the DL and they are now replacing a defensive coordinator. I just don't see Purdue winning 8 regular season games for at least 2 more seasons and that's assuming recruiting stays on the same trajectory. 

6 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I have ZERO problems with that 

Why do you care being a clear Purdue Non Supporter? 

If you do not believe in path of Brohm led Purdue teams, then you should rejoice the money spent.   

You do understand that extension was 100% connected to keeping him from going to Louisville correct?  

I think the point about giving him an extension is that you're paying him top 10 money. How long do you give Brohm till he actually has to live up to his paycheck. You go 4-8 at any one of the other 9 schools paying their coaches similar to Brohm you're on the hot seat. Do it again you're gone. Brohm has handcuffed the university and the only way Purdue is off the hook is off Brohm leaves voluntarily which at this point I think his value has worn off.

1 hour ago, eschnur66 said:

Luke Kuechly was the FS for for that St. X team.  Loads of NFL talent on that field.  I remember watching that game on TV.  On a side note Chris Sale (Red Sox ace) was also in the graduating class with the Pouncey twins, Rainey and co.  Pretty special group of Dreadnots.

That St. X team was loaded. We played them a few weeks later and they beat us pretty good. I believe Kuechly was the only sophomore starter but they had a loaded junior class that sent about 6-7 guys D1.

3 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Thank you.

 

I think at just about every FBS school everyone is on a full scholarship and would say is the case for FCS. D2 is probably 1/2 or partial scholarships. Think it's very rare to give a full-ride in D2.

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

What is the functional difference between D1, D1-AA and D2?  Number of scholarships?

 

Yes. 85 scholarships FBS, 63 FBS, 36 D2

12 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Which is unrelated to SPEED...😉

I think I’ll take Belichick’s word over yours.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/23/bill-belichick-explains-time-speed-vs-football-speed/

9 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Sure it does.  Everyone else just slows down in those elements as well.  Fast is fast.

Track guys might not always succeed in football and vice versa but it’s not due to some sort of different type of “speed.”

Of course it’s two different types of speed. Track guys are springtime 100 to 200m in a straight line until they get to the finish line. Football players are stopping, starting, cutting, until they get tackled. How many track guys have to change their pace of direction in a race?

1 minute ago, Temptation said:

Yep, with pads and without.  Thanks for coming around.

Add surface, cleats, weather, contact..it’s two different sports. Put a track guy in those elements and his “track speed” doesn’t always translate.

52 minutes ago, Temptation said:

 The biggest difference between Indiana and Purdue is that one AD was smart enough to schedule cream puffs in order to inflate win totals and qualify for a bowl game while the other insists on consistently playing power five teams in the non-conference and even made a trip to Nevada!

A lot of football schedules are made years (sometimes decades) in advance so a lot of PU’s non-conference opponents were scheduled under a different regime, but yes it is funny to listen to some Purdue fans down play IU’s schedule and subsequent 8-4 record all while sitting at home.

1 hour ago, Temptation said:

I think you’re confusing speed with agility.  

The best have both.  Some can get by with one.  Others have even found a way to succeed with neither.

 

Well yeah, hence football and track speed. Track speed is all about linear, straight line speed. Football is all about cutting, etc (agility). There’s plenty of “track guys” who wouldn’t cut it in football, and a lot of “fast” football players who would get smoked in a race. They aren’t mutually exclusive. 

Two different types of “speed”.

1 hour ago, Sacked said:

He came back from injury and saw a lot of action towards the end of the season. I was at the Arkansas game were he played a lot and he looked really good. Of coarse it was Arkansas but still looked solid. He is second on their depth chart so I would doubt that he leaves. 

I thought Evan Neal, freshman all-American, ended up starting over him?

3 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I have, just never believed in it.

It's definitely a real thing. There are guys like Usain Bolt and all those other world class sprinters who nobody on a football field is going to touch in a linear race, but football ain't a linear race.

24 minutes ago, Temptation said:

What in the HELL is “football speed?”

Speed is speed.

Never heard of football speed as opposed to track speed? There's a lot of guys who have straight line speed who can absolutely fly, "track speed". There's others with exceptional short bursts of speed and the ability to cut and change direction on a dime. This is referred to as "football speed".

3 minutes ago, DT said:

OSU sweeps into Naptown and picks off our states Number 1 recruit, OG Josh Fryer from Beech Grove.

And it was Kevin Wilson who did the poaching!

Josh could have been the next Dan Feeney at IU.  Coach Allen needs to keep these guys at home.

Cant fault the kid for wanting to go to Ohio State.  But will he play?  That is always the key.  

https://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Fryar-46049949/

Committed back in July but yes he would have been a massive pick up. 

I have a feeling Emil Ekiyor from Cathedral who is currently at Alabama may enter the portal. Was given a shot earlier in the year and got hurt and may never regain his spot.

35 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

I really think it will be hard to defend Purdue next year:   The question will be can they get enough stops. 

You saw a walk on come in and light up teams ( I thought he looked better than Plummer from simple aspect that he got the ball out on time with some zip but does have mobility  concerns) without their All American Slot WR.  

You add Rondale on the same formation with David Bell, capable TE (Durham, 2 RS Frosh they will have) and Combo of Milton Wright, Amad Anderson, TJ Shelfield, ole reliable Jackson Anthrop, newest 4 star WR incoming in Malik Carr and a capable run game with King Duruane, Horvath, incoming RB Murphy.     That is really tough for defenses to figure out how to stop.   

Maybe they do turn into a B12 type team as DT said, win them 56-48 baby!!!    

He lit up a young Indiana secondary who had built a lead and 3-9 Northwestern. Did alright against Wisconsin but like Indiana had built a big lead and was content giving up the underneath routes.

Need to establish a running game and a line that gives the QB time to go through all his progressions for them to be consistent, but yes getting stops will be the death of Purdue next year in my opinion.

I watched for 3-4 years as Kevin Wilson trotted out an NFL caliber QB with NFL caliber skill position players (and a good line as well) lose shoot out after shoot out because they didn't have a defense. Might be Purdue's best bet next year, but the B10 has much better defenses than the Big 12.

18 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Please GID GODS, don't let us crash again!!  Daddy wants some Chuck Wagon!!    

Good Times!!     

Nebraska:   Toss Up:   Purdue won last time they visited Lincoln 

Memphis:   Take the Boilers at Home

Air Force:   Take the Boilers at Home

Boston College:  Take the Boilers on the Road

Rutger:  Scarlet Knights beat them last time they played, though I take Boilers at Home

Illinois:   Snag that Cannon back 

Michigan:  Tough one:  Maybe out score them??   Doubtful 

NW:   DUBS baby

Minnesota:   Why should lose?   Major Blizzard game, I will concede to Gophers in the Blizzard 

Wisconsin:   Boilers finally get them at Home 

Iowa:   Purdue owns Iowa!!!   

IU:   WIN BABY!!! 

 

I got me 9 wins baby!!!   Maybe 11 if they get Nebraska and Minny!!   LETS GO !!!  

In all honestly, it really does change projections week to week.   Health in sports always a concern in any sport, any level.   

would be a helluva coach em up job if Brohm gets the Boilers to 9 wins next year given that schedule and inexperience.

I think Purdue starts the year 0-2 (Purdue susceptible to slow starts under Brohm) and then wins their next 4. They then lose 3 of their next 4 and are 5-5 heading into the Iowa game. 

2 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

And if the Boilers get to 8 + wins next year???   

sure, then it negates everything. But I think Purdue is much closer to a 5-6 win team next year than an 8 win team looking at the schedule

@ Nebraska---Frost loses this game he may lose the fan base

Memphis---game just got a little easier with Norvell leaving but Memphis returns a ton and should be nationally ranked to start the year

Air Force---Another team ranked in the top 25 to end the year; never easy to prep for the triple option

@ Boston College----all world RB is gone and they have new coach, game Purdue should win even if on road

Rutger--Win

@ Illinos----Should win

@ Michigan-----loss

Northwestern--should win

@ Minnesota---should lose

Wisconsin---going with Badgers until Purdue beats them, what's it been since 04?

Iowa---Purdue has fared well against Iowa under Brohm; still a tough game

@ Indiana---Rivalry game and probably a toss up; would say any Purdue fan that thinks this is a gimme win will be in for a rude awakening.

10 minutes ago, Coach Nowlin said:

So those in Purdue program should stop doing anything to bridge that gap and leapfrog Wisconsin or anyone else their way and just accept that Wisconsin should win every year??    

I say along with the current Regime at Purdue from Prez on down, why not Purdue? 

I never said that, but again, looking at the bigger picture, Purdue is nowhere near leapfrogging Wisconsin. The only way "B10 title" and "playoff hopes" and Purdue belong in the same sentence is the fact that Purdue is paying their coach top 10 money.

As I said above, looking at Purdue's schedule next year, I don't think 6+ wins is a foregone conclusion. It would mean Brohm did better with the dumpster fire he inherited in years 1 and 2 over the teams he recruited for years 3 and 4.