Temp’s Preseason Top 50

[Komets2727]

6 hours ago, temptation said:

10.  Carroll (Fort Wayne)

9.  Hamilton Southeastern

8.  Indianapolis Cathedral

7.  Westfield 

6.  Crown Point

Ok, I would rank these 5 teams this way:

10. Westfield 

9. Crown Point

8. HSE

7. Cathedral 

6. Carroll

Now, I would have Warren Central at 10 as the way they finished last year merits a lower ranking until they prove it, let the teams that had good to great years last year be above them, they earned it, but I digress. Thanks for doing the rankings Temptation 

[FBfanatic40]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

Ok, I would rank these 5 teams this way:

10. Westfield 

9. Crown Point

8. HSE

7. Cathedral 

6. Carroll

Now, I would have Warren Central at 10 as the way they finished last year merits a lower ranking until they prove it, let the teams that had good to great years last year be above them, they earned it, but I digress. Thanks for doing the rankings Temptation 

Your logic makes no sense. You say let teams who had good years be above them, but put Carroll at 6 who lost in the first round to Warsaw, above crown point (runner up), and Westfield (semi state). And what do you mean "the way they finished last year". A 14 point loss in regional to center grove sounds a lot better than a 14 point loss to Warsaw in the first round. 

[temptation]

13 minutes ago, FBfanatic40 said:

Your logic makes no sense. You say let teams who had good years be above them, but put Carroll at 6 who lost in the first round to Warsaw, above crown point (runner up), and Westfield (semi state). And what do you mean "the way they finished last year". A 14 point loss in regional to center grove sounds a lot better than a 14 point loss to Warsaw in the first round. 

Following…

(And any response other than “I am from Fort Wayne and I’m biased” is a lie.)

[temptation]

4 hours ago, BTF said:

HSE at Carroll in Week 1 should be a dandy. 

Fort Wayne is the place to be next Friday night.

[BTF]

49 minutes ago, temptation said:

Fort Wayne is the place to be next Friday night.

Hard to pick a game to be honest. Four of the Top 10 teams playing within 4 miles of one another. 

[Komets2727]

3 hours ago, FBfanatic40 said:

Your logic makes no sense. You say let teams who had good years be above them, but put Carroll at 6 who lost in the first round to Warsaw, above crown point (runner up), and Westfield (semi state). And what do you mean "the way they finished last year". A 14 point loss in regional to center grove sounds a lot better than a 14 point loss to Warsaw in the first round. 

My response is specific to Warren, they earned nothing going into this year. All the other teams, throw them in a hat. I like Carroll to beat HSE in week 1 and then lose in week 2, can’t remember if it’s Fishers or Westfield.

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Following…

(And any response other than “I am from Fort Wayne and I’m biased” is a lie.)

Wrong

21 minutes ago, BTF said:

Hard to pick a game to be honest. Four of the Top 10 teams playing within 4 miles of one another. 

Yes

[BTF]

3 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I like Carroll to beat HSE in week 1 and then lose in week 2, can’t remember if it’s Fishers or Westfield.

Center Grove.

[temptation]

 

My response is specific to Warren, they earned nothing going into this year. All the other teams, throw them in a hat. I like Carroll to beat HSE in week 1 and then lose in week 2, can’t remember if it’s Fishers or Westfield.

Wrong

Yes

What’d Carroll do?

 

[Komets2727]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

What’d Carroll do?

 

Helluva lot more than Warren did. Lost 27-24 to Snider and beat the anointed team this year, Warren. 

[temptation]

25 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Helluva lot more than Warren did. Lost 27-24 to Snider and beat the anointed team this year, Warren. 

Switch the schedules…what’s each team’s 2023 record with the other’s schedule?

(Still can’t believe I am sitting here defending a team that my poll will have lower than nearly every other poll released this offseason.)

Edited August 16, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Switch the schedules…what’s each team’s 2023 record with the other’s schedule?

(Still can’t believe I am sitting here defending a team that my poll will have lower than nearly every other poll released this offseason.)

I can’t believe it either. You are defending Warren against Carroll, who beat them after Warren got steamrolled by Snider. Struggling to understand what your point is…

[BTF]

Clarity coming in seven days. 

[temptation]

17 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

I can’t believe it either. You are defending Warren against Carroll, who beat them after Warren got steamrolled by Snider. Struggling to understand what your point is…

You are cherry picking early season results from last year.  Warren played better football than Carroll in late October/early November last year.

The Warren/Carroll game was a rock fight that could’ve gone either way.  Then when the tourney rolled around, Warren played the 2nd best team in the state to a scoreless draw at halftime before losing by 14 two weeks after Carroll got mud stomped by WARSAW.

look, I know we are arguing semantics here and I actually agree and have been on record multiple times talking about how 6A  is sort of a crap shoot this year and you could flip-l flop any of these teams but you’re rationale seems to switch based on geography.

Even if I concede the Carroll over Warren argument, why in the hell did you put them ahead of the defending state runners up and a team in Westfield who made the final four?

”The way they finished last year.”

(Checks notes:  Lost in game 1 of the sectional to an unranked team by two touchdowns.)

Edited August 17, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

18 minutes ago, temptation said:

You are cherry picking early season results from last year.  Warren played better football than Carroll in late October/early November last year.

The Warren/Carroll game was a rock fight that could’ve gone either way.  Then when the tourney rolled around, Warren played the 2nd best team in the state to a scoreless draw at halftime before losing by 14 two weeks after Carroll got mud stomped by WARSAW.

look, I know we are arguing semantics here and I actually agree and have been on record multiple times talking about how 6A  is sort of a crap shoot this year and you could flip-l flop any of these teams but you’re rationale seems to switch based on geography.

Even if I concede the Carroll over Warren argument, why in the hell did you put them ahead of the defending state runners up and a team in Westfield who made the final four?

”The way they finished last year.”

(Checks notes:  Lost in game 1 of the sectional to an unranked team by two touchdowns.)

Same discussion we had a couple weeks ago, who did Warren beat last year? Nobody with a winning record. As far as geography, not buying that either. I literally said take the rest of the teams and throw em in hat. I will say again that even if Warren goes 14-0 and wins the state title this year, they don’t deserve to be ranked in the top 5 to start the year based on the performance of their team last year. I’m not changing your mind and you are not changing my mind on this subject so can’t wait to get this season started

[Footballking16]

1 hour ago, Komets2727 said:

I can’t believe it either. You are defending Warren against Carroll, who beat them after Warren got steamrolled by Snider. Struggling to understand what your point is…

Warren Central has the most on-paper talent in the state. Not sure what last year, especially early in the season, has to do with a preseason poll for the following year? 

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Warren Central has the most on-paper talent in the state. Not sure what last year, especially early in the season, has to do with a preseason poll for the following year? 

I think he's made his stance pretty clear. He believes in working your way up the ladder. Nothing wrong with that.

[temptation]

1 hour ago, BTF said:

I think he's made his stance pretty clear. He believes in working your way up the ladder. Nothing wrong with that.

Except with Carroll…they “almost” beat Snider last year…that outweighs their MOST RECENT game which was a 14 point loss to an unranked Warsaw team.

Its all about how “last year ended” for everyone else…

[BTF]

8 hours ago, temptation said:

Except with Carroll…they “almost” beat Snider last year…that outweighs their MOST RECENT game which was a 14 point loss to an unranked Warsaw team.

Its all about how “last year ended” for everyone else…

I don't think Carroll should be judged by their loss to Warsaw last year. Nor would I judge WC on their three touchdown loss to open the season.  Where would Snider be in your ranking if they didn't make a 45 yard field goal in the closing seconds to beat Mishawaka last year? Ben Davis last year will be regarded as one of the better teams this state has ever seen. Yet, they played three playoff games that could have easily went in the other direction. I've learned along time ago not to judge a team based on one game alone. No one will ever remember Warsaw in 2001. Fort Wayne boasts 23 state championships, but it's widely accepted in these parts that the best team ever didn't even win the whole thing. One game, one injury, one mistake................legacy diminished. 

That being said, everyone has their own criteria for preseason rankings. Personally?

1.     How good was a team last year. 

2.    How many starters return. 

3.    How proven is the coaching staff. Trending up, down, or sideways?

4.    And now, unfortunately, who transferred where.

As always, great poll, you put the time in. Carroll is #10. Compliment out of Fort Wayne accepted. 

[temptation]

3 hours ago, BTF said:

I don't think Carroll should be judged by their loss to Warsaw last year. Nor would I judge WC on their three touchdown loss to open the season.  Where would Snider be in your ranking if they didn't make a 45 yard field goal in the closing seconds to beat Mishawaka last year? Ben Davis last year will be regarded as one of the better teams this state has ever seen. Yet, they played three playoff games that could have easily went in the other direction. I've learned along time ago not to judge a team based on one game alone. No one will ever remember Warsaw in 2001. Fort Wayne boasts 23 state championships, but it's widely accepted in these parts that the best team ever didn't even win the whole thing. One game, one injury, one mistake................legacy diminished. 

That being said, everyone has their own criteria for preseason rankings. Personally?

1.     How good was a team last year. 

2.    How many starters return. 

3.    How proven is the coaching staff. Trending up, down, or sideways?

4.    And now, unfortunately, who transferred where.

As always, great poll, you put the time in. Carroll is #10. Compliment out of Fort Wayne accepted. 

Just out of curiosity, had Warren/Carroll played in the second to last regular season game as opposed to the second regular season game, would the result have been any different?

I’ve never been much a moral victory guy and Warren had three weeks to prepare for Center Grove because their sectional is a joke but you have to admit that Warren playing CG within 14 points in the regional showed they were vastly improved from August last year.

As I stated prior, it was a 0-0 game at half and eventually the damn broke and CG broke some big plays.

[Komets2727]

13 hours ago, temptation said:

Except with Carroll…they “almost” beat Snider last year…that outweighs their MOST RECENT game which was a 14 point loss to an unranked Warsaw team.

Its all about how “last year ended” for everyone else…

No it’s not. My stance has been the same on Warren all along. They beat nobody with a winning record. Nobody. Hang your hat on them and reward them to start the year, I am not.  They need to earn a preseason designation, not be given it as preseason ranking are pretty much based on last years results 

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

No it’s not. My stance has been the same on Warren all along. They beat nobody with a winning record. Nobody. Hang your hat on them and reward them to start the year, I am not.  They need to earn a preseason designation, not be given it as preseason ranking are pretty much based on last years results 

So where do you have Warsaw?

They went 9-2 and beat your #6 team by two touchdowns.

Lets be consistent here.

 

Edited August 17, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

13 hours ago, temptation said:

Except with Carroll…they “almost” beat Snider last year…that outweighs their MOST RECENT game which was a 14 point loss to an unranked Warsaw team.

Its all about how “last year ended” for everyone else…

Hilarious. Carroll is not a favorite team of mine, but I recognize they are a team that is a top tier team in the SAC, challenges itself with 2 tough out of conference games, is growing faster than any other team in the SAC, and will be a contender for years to come

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Hilarious. Carroll is not a favorite team of mine, but I recognize they are a team that is a top tier team in the SAC, challenges itself with 2 tough out of conference games, is growing faster than any other team in the SAC, and will be a contender for years to come

I agree on Carroll’s long term outlook, hence the reason I have them 10th.

They somehow get credit for a close loss to Snider and win over an overrated Warren team and leapfrog teams that were playing at the semi state/state level?

Edited August 17, 2024 by temptation

[Komets2727]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

So where do you have Warsaw?

They went 9-2 and beat your #6 team by two touchdowns.

 

They will be a contender in the North for 5A this year. Expect them to be playing for a regional title. Where that puts them, not sure, somewhere around 25-30

[temptation]

1 minute ago, Komets2727 said:

They will be a contender in the North for 5A this year. Expect them to be playing for a regional title. Where that puts them, not sure, somewhere around 25-30

Gimme your week 1 point spreads for the two biggies in Fort Wayne.

I’ll go Warren -5.5 and HSE -2.5.