Kamala Harris Thread - Will she be the Democrat nominee?

[temptation]

1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Translation:  You're lying or you just to plain lazy to provide the actual data behind your assertions.

No, happily married for over 30 years.  How about you?

Bullshit.

 

Your own chart above provided zero examples of the AP leaning right, lol.

You’re digging your own grave.

[Muda69]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Your own chart above provided zero examples of the AP leaning right, lol.

You’re digging your own grave.

And where did I claim the AP is a 100% neutral, neither politically left or right leaning, organization?  Can you find one of those?  They are probably the closest of the lot, however.   

 

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Where do CNN/MSNBC fall?

Do your own research, you lazy bum.

 

[swordfish]

4 hours ago, swordfish said:

Serious question BR since you have legal prowess I don't possess - what happens with a Trump Presidency?  What can he legally pardon himself and/or others on?  I am under the impression the NY State charges he can't touch, correct?  Still waiting for a sentence to come down - which is wild card in the mix. He can only wipe away federal cases - am I correct?

Also, the latest SCOTUS decision and the "classified documents case" changes seem to have cooled the jets of prosecutors that tried throwing every page in the book at him trying to stick something.

BTW - Still SMH that you actually believe Biden (legally) got more votes than any other President in history.....

Also - Mope?  You can do better than that BR, I believe in you man!

I suppose the argument about the various news outlets has hijacked the thread.  Any-hoo....

[BTF]

2 hours ago, Muda69 said:

Not really, but you be you and keep believing that.

 

What does religion have to do with this?  Do you identify with the Christian Nationalist movement?

 

By and large, there's a larger percentage of Christians on the right than there is the left. Christians typically have a higher moral compass than those who aren't. Dems are way more likely to play dirty. 

[Bobref]

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

Christians typically have a higher moral compass than those who aren't.

The self-righteous arrogance of this statement is astounding to me.

[Bobref]

7 hours ago, BTF said:

78 million people felt that way

No, they didn’t. Some of them may have, like you. But I’ll bet quite a few of those 78 million were mad their side lost, but accepted the results and moved on.

[Bobref]

6 hours ago, swordfish said:

Serious question BR since you have legal prowess I don't possess - what happens with a Trump Presidency?  What can he legally pardon himself and/or others on?  I am under the impression the NY State charges he can't touch, correct?  Still waiting for a sentence to come down - which is wild card in the mix. He can only wipe away federal cases - am I correct?

Also, the latest SCOTUS decision and the "classified documents case" changes seem to have cooled the jets of prosecutors that tried throwing every page in the book at him trying to stick something.

BTW - Still SMH that you actually believe Biden (legally) got more votes than any other President in history.....

Also - Mope?  You can do better than that BR, I believe in you man!

No idea about the legal consequences, other than I foresee a crisis of constitutional dimensions. The rest of your post is meaningless Trumpspeak to me.

[temptation]

23 minutes ago, Bobref said:

No, they didn’t. Some of them may have, like you. But I’ll bet quite a few of those 78 million were mad their side lost, but accepted the results and moved on.

“Most secure election ever” was most likely the first of the many lies told by this administration.  Yeah, I said it.  Call me what you want.  They scared people into not voting in person and even continue to trot out the “no WIDESPREAD election fraud was found” line which is telling and their way of covering their asses.  The CAPITALIZED portion of that claim has always intrigued me.

It didn’t need to be WIDESPREAD.  Just a few thousand votes here and there in those 3-4 key swing states is all that was needed.

Question for anyone wanting to spar or debate the above statement…

How in the hell does the MOST POPULAR president ever (81 million votes) become unelectable just 3 years later when running against the same “threat to democracy” who now has additional baggage he didn’t have in 2020?

I counted the other day.  I’ve visited 18 states (including most of the swing states from 2020) since the spring of 2020 and can count on one hand how may Biden/Harris flags I’ve seen…lol.

Just sick and tired of supposed “conspiracy theories” being proven true and folks just shrug their shoulders…

Edited July 23, 2024 by temptation

[BTF]

44 minutes ago, Bobref said:

The self-righteous arrogance of this statement is astounding to me.

I mean, from a percentage standpoint, I'm pretty sure I'm right. Dems play dirty. If you can't see that, you're blind. Damn, look what they tried to do to Trump. Well, God's been watching. 

[Bobref]

3 minutes ago, BTF said:

I mean, from a percentage standpoint, I'm pretty sure I'm right. Dems play dirty. If you can't see that, you're blind. Damn, look what they tried to do to Trump. Well, God's been watching. 

“Dems play dirty” is not the part I object to. Of course they do. So do Republicans. I objected to the groundless claim that “Christians have a “higher moral compass” than non-Christians. What an insultingly arrogant statement, with actual nothing in fact or logic to support it. That’s called bigotry.

[temptation]

Just now, Bobref said:

“Dems play dirty” is not the part I object to. Of course they do. So do Republicans. I objected to the groundless claim that “Christians have a “higher moral compass” than non-Christians. What an insultingly arrogant statement, with actual nothing in fact or logic to support it. That’s called bigotry.

Yeah, I’ve met plenty of “Christians” that justify their behavior and actions BECAUSE they go to church every week, lol.

However, on the other end of the spectrum I detest the demonizing of religion that has become normalized in America for many folks.

[BTF]

36 minutes ago, Bobref said:

No, they didn’t. Some of them may have, like you. But I’ll bet quite a few of those 78 million were mad their side lost, but accepted the results and moved on.

Fact, but I wasn't one of them. 

51 minutes ago, Bobref said:

“Dems play dirty” is not the part I object to. Of course they do. So do Republicans. I objected to the groundless claim that “Christians have a “higher moral compass” than non-Christians. What an insultingly arrogant statement, with actual nothing in fact or logic to support it. That’s called bigotry.

Groundless? Really? And you took it somewhat out of context. I did say "typically." 

[BTF]

55 minutes ago, temptation said:

Yeah, I’ve met plenty of “Christians” that justify their behavior and actions BECAUSE they go to church every week, lol.

However, on the other end of the spectrum I detest the demonizing of religion that has become normalized in America for many folks.

Those who go to church are hardly perfect. But it does keep them somewhat grounded. Bob knows that, he went to a Catholic university. What's your stance on abortion Bob?

Furthermore, most Christians wouldn't make light of a bullet grazing a presidential candidate's head. Tell me more about your love of Notre Dame Bob. 

Edited July 24, 2024 by BTF

[Bobref]

6 minutes ago, BTF said:

What's your stance on abortion Bob?

Nunya’

[BTF]

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Nunya’

I'll just role with Pro Life since you went to Notre Dame.

[Bobref]

35 minutes ago, BTF said:

I'll just role with Pro Life since you went to Notre Dame.

Roll with whatever you like. You seem fond of generalizations. Here’s one: “All generalizations are false.”

Notre Dame is, and always has been, a diverse community.

Edited July 24, 2024 by Bobref

[swordfish]

13 hours ago, Bobref said:

No idea about the legal consequences, other than I foresee a crisis of constitutional dimensions. The rest of your post is meaningless Trumpspeak to me.

Serious question BR since you have legal prowess I don't possess - what happens with a Trump Presidency?  What can he legally pardon himself and/or others on?  I am under the impression the NY State charges he can't touch, correct?  Still waiting for a sentence to come down - which is wild card in the mix. He can only wipe away federal cases - am I correct?

 

Thanks BR - I respectfully asked a simple question with no "Trumpspeak" there except his name since you are (seem to be) more "legally adept" than I.  I guess it is federal in nature so maybe you have no idea but I respectfully asked attempting to keep political opinions out of it.  The rest of that post was indeed opinionated I agree. 

[Muda69]

Harris Promises Expensive Paid Leave and Child Care Subsidies in First Campaign Speech: https://reason.com/2024/07/23/in-first-campaign-speech-harris-promises-expensive-family-leave-and-child-care-subsidies/

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What's an unpopular politician with low charisma and an unflattering record to do when she's suddenly thrust into the spotlight of a presidential campaign?

Promise to make it rain, of course!

Vice President Kamala Harris kicked off her substitute presidential campaign on Monday by promising to pass two policies that were dropped from President Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act when members of Congress balked at the price tag: paid family leave and government-funded child care.

"We believe in a future…where every person has access to paid family leave and affordable child care," Harris said in an address to campaign staff in Delaware on Monday, as she officially took the reins of what had been Biden's reelection effort. The rest of Harris' message was standard-issue fare from the Biden agenda—including promises to boost the middle class, protect seniors, and ensure Americans have affordable health care.

But the nods to family leave and child care were noteworthy because they signal what Harris sees as an opportunity to define herself as even more economically progressive than Biden.

The original version of what eventually became the Inflation Reduction Act was a $4 trillion spending package—known throughout 2021 as Biden's "Build Back Better" initiative—that included $585 billion for a variety of family and child programs. That included about $200 billion for a four-week paid family and medical leave program and $270 billion for six years of a new child care subsidy program (the actual price tag of that program would be larger if viewed over 10 years, as is standard).

Both were cut from the package due to opposition from Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) and other Senate Democrats who were unwilling to vote for such a massive spending plan while inflation and deficits were surging.

Expect both initiatives to figure prominently in Harris' campaign, particularly as she tries to shore up support from the progressive left, which might view the former prosecutor skeptically. Effectively, this would be a retread of Harris' mostly forgettable primary campaign in 2019, when she'd pushed far to the left on economic issues in an attempt to steer away from her record as a prosecutor and attorney general.

During that campaign, she'd proposed giving parents and other caregivers up to six months of paid leave from work. It was a more radical plan than what other Democrats had offered during that campaign, and even left-leaning publications like Vox expressed skepticism that Harris' proposal was politically workable or economically feasible.

Harris dropped out of that campaign before a single vote was cast, but she's now emerged as the Democrats' presumptive nominee this year after Biden's sudden departure from the race. That means she's now in a position to advance a proposal that was rejected by Democratic primary voters in 2020 (when they chose Biden over Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and others) and by Congress in 2022 when it passed the IRA.

Harris has also endorsed taking dramatic steps, if necessary, to get her agenda through Congress. In 2019, she called for ending the filibuster in order to pass the Green New Deal. (It's interesting that she did that at a time when Republicans controlled the White House and the Senate majority—in other words, at a moment when ending the filibuster would have helped the Republican Party achieve its own goals, not hers.)

Expect that approach to continue. "The line I got from advocates today is that while they don't necessarily expect a big break from Biden on policy, they can imagine [Harris] being even more aggressive on procedure/tactics," noted Semafor reporter Jordan Weissman on X.

If Harris does indeed push to the left on economic issues, voters will be left to pick between a Republican Party that wants to meddle more in personal and business affairs, and a soon-to-be-confirmed Democratic nominee who wants to borrow and spend more aggressively—and who is unwilling to take "there aren't enough votes in the Senate for your agenda" as an answer.

 

[Bobref]

26 minutes ago, swordfish said:

 

Thanks BR - I respectfully asked a simple question with no "Trumpspeak" there except his name since you are (seem to be) more "legally adept" than I.  I guess it is federal in nature so maybe you have no idea but I respectfully asked attempting to keep political opinions out of it.  The rest of that post was indeed opinionated I agree. 

I have no idea because it is unprecedented in the 248 years of our republic.

[Muda69]

GOP Rep. Introduces Articles Of Impeachment Against Kamala Harris: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/07/23/gop-rep-introduces-articles-of-impeachment-against-kamala-harris--though-political-stunt-is-bound-to-fail/

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A GOP lawmaker on Tuesday introduced articles of impeachment against Vice President Kamala Harris over her handling of the southern border, as Republicans lay into the new Democratic presidential candidate in the days after President Joe Biden stepped down from the campaign trail.

 

Rep.Andy Ogles, R-Tenn., introduced a resolution calling to impeach Harris for high crimes and misdemeanors, arguing that during her term as vice president, Harris “has demonstrated extraordinary incompetence in the execution of her duties and responsibilities.”

 

Specifically, Ogles claims Harris has exhibited a “stark refusal to uphold the existing immigration laws” and a “palpable indifference to people of the United States suffering as a result of the ongoing southern border crisis.”

 

Harris has not responded to the resolution, and did not immediately respond to a Forbes inquiry for comment.

 

Since launching her White House bid following Biden’s departure from the race on Sunday, Harris has faced a flurry of GOP criticism over her handling of a surge of migrants at the southern border—a major Republican rallying cry against the Biden administration and a situation Harris was tasked with addressing at the outset of Biden’s presidential term.

 

Among those attacks is a potential floor vote led by Republican Conference Chair Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., to condemn Harris over her handling of the U.S.-Mexico border, though with the Senate still in Democratic control, it’s unlikely even a House-passed impeachment would be confirmed by the Senate.

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A the political bullcrap continues,  wasting the American taxpayer's hard earned money.

 

[temptation]

This is pretty damn rich.  Love when they eat themselves from within.

It’s Reuters, so I am hopeful that @Muda69 will approve.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black-lives-matter-demands-dnc-host-virtual-primary-2024-07-23/

Edited July 24, 2024 by temptation

[Muda69]

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

This is pretty damn rich.  Love when they eat themselves from within.

It’s Reuters, so I am hopeful that @Muda69 will approve.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black-lives-matter-demands-dnc-host-virtual-primary-2024-07-23/

Thank you for the link.  I detected no political bias in that article, did you?

FTA:

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In a statement, Black Lives Matter (BLM) called on Democratic party leaders to allow public participation in the nomination of the presidential candidate, instead of leaving it to the party delegates.

So it appears BLM wants to eschew the traditional delegate method in favor of a true democratic, one person equals one vote,  model.  What could go wrong?

 

[temptation]

1 minute ago, Muda69 said:

Thank you for the link.  I detected no political bias in that article, did you?

FTA:

So it appears BLM wants to eschew the traditional delegate method in favor of a true democratic, one person equals one vote,  model.  What could go wrong?

 

Nope.  Fair and balanced in my opinion.

Never thought BLM would be on the right side of history but here we are.

[BTF]

14 hours ago, Bobref said:

Roll with whatever you like. You seem fond of generalizations. Here’s one: “All generalizations are false.”

Notre Dame is, and always has been, a diverse community.

I guess I find it strange that someone would want to go to a University that doesn't align with their own values. 

[temptation]

They lie because they know they can get away with it.  The American people have never had a shorter memory.