Danville appeal denied

[Lemmy]

On 10/31/2024 at 8:51 PM, gindie said:

https://wibc.com/484817/ihsaa-responds-to-complaint-filed-by-danville-football/

I wonder what the percentage is of the ihsaa actually siding with the school/coach over the officiating crew?  I would say somewhere around 1 in a 1000 or less, I know I've never seen or heard of any instances.

[Yuccaguy]

36 minutes ago, Lemmy said:

I wonder what the percentage is of the ihsaa actually siding with the school/coach over the officiating crew?  I would say somewhere around 1 in a 1000 or less, I know I've never seen or heard of any instances.

You would have to define "siding".  If admitting that an error was made in an official's ruling (on RULES APPLICATIONS, not judgements), then its way better than 1 in a 1000.  Probably more like 25% or better.

If anyone is defining "siding" as overruling an egregious error to allow a team to advance/lose on said 'crew/call' then its 0%.  Its written in black and white by the NFHS.  

The one time that I was aware of the IHSAA having repercussions on an official (within sports that I am familiar with);  Is years ago when Vincennes Lincoln walked off a Baseball game.  But the batter/runner removed his helmet in celebration before he touched home plate.  They called him out,  Incorrectly.  Jasper then went on the win the contest in extra innings and advance in the tournament.  This was UPHELD.  Jasper advanced not VL.

The IHSAA did make note that the rule was misapplied in this situation.  Those officials were removed for the remainder of the tournament.  

[JustRules]

6 hours ago, Bash Riprock said:

But getting the call right does matter as to which team is screaming.  While its sad for any senior to conclude their football playing career regardless of which team, its still easier to swallow if the game deciding call is the correct one.

Your comment feels a little like rationalizing that it doesn't matter.  I struggle with that.....

It does matter but 90% of the comments I've seen arguing about this call are wrong in referencing the applicable rules. If the Danville players had been 5-10 yards closer then their enforcement was 100% correct. It was that close. The outrage from Danville would have been the same in that instance though. That's my point.

The fact the crew would have been correct if they had ruled illegal substitution, enforced the penalty, and still ended the game, the outrage would have been similar from the Brebeuf faithful. The same rule ignorance would apply. I've seen comments from fans saying the crew ruled 5 minutes after the game was over (it was 90 seconds). I've seen comments that the runner was down before the ball came out (it was clearly out). I've seen comments saying the QB took his helmet off while the play was still live (it was after the play was over which was perfectly fine). I've seen comments that the whistle blew before the Danville players came on the field (they were on the field while the ball was still live). I've seen comments that the game was over when the whistle blew (the whistle only notified everyone the play was over but not the game). Video clearly shows all of those are false, but people are adamant they happened. Ultimately the crew made an incorrect judgement on the location of the players or the wrong penalty enforcement for a unique situation they may have never seen.

[1st_and_10]

14 hours ago, JustRules said:

It does matter but 90% of the comments I've seen arguing about this call are wrong in referencing the applicable rules. If the Danville players had been 5-10 yards closer then their enforcement was 100% correct. It was that close. The outrage from Danville would have been the same in that instance though. That's my point.

The fact the crew would have been correct if they had ruled illegal substitution, enforced the penalty, and still ended the game, the outrage would have been similar from the Brebeuf faithful. The same rule ignorance would apply. I've seen comments from fans saying the crew ruled 5 minutes after the game was over (it was 90 seconds). I've seen comments that the runner was down before the ball came out (it was clearly out). I've seen comments saying the QB took his helmet off while the play was still live (it was after the play was over which was perfectly fine). I've seen comments that the whistle blew before the Danville players came on the field (they were on the field while the ball was still live). I've seen comments that the game was over when the whistle blew (the whistle only notified everyone the play was over but not the game). Video clearly shows all of those are false, but people are adamant they happened. Ultimately the crew made an incorrect judgement on the location of the players or the wrong penalty enforcement for a unique situation they may have never seen.

I have seen this posted too... I didn't see Geske (#14) take his helmet off until after the play... And again, the officials made the wrong call... Because they removed #14 for the play (after the incorrect penalty was called and gave Brebeuf the opportunity to replay 4th down).

[Rodney]

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