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[BDGiant93]

Congratulations to Mark. As someone who has had dealings with Mark often, I can tell you he's a first-rate individual and not just a great athlete. I'm really excited for him. Great to see so many at the surprise reveal of the award...including past Mr. Football from BD, James Banks.

[PHJIrish]

Mark Zachary IV is Mr. Football!  Well deserved!

[PHJIrish]

I keep misspelling Mr. Football's name, it's Zackery.

[Yuccaguy]

On 12/17/2024 at 11:48 AM, BTF said:

The biggest travesty in the history of the Heisman was Johnny Manziel winning over Manti Teo. You had a well deserving devensive player, a senior, great student, and campus leader up against a freshman quartback who epitimized everything that a student athlete wasn't. 

No by far the biggest travesty was Jim Brown not winning the Heisman Trophy.   And you ABSOLUTELY know why!   

On 12/15/2024 at 7:06 PM, PHJIrish said:

Paul Hornung won the Heisman on a 3-6 team.  So yes it's possible.

See Above response!

Good Ole 1950's America

Edited December 20, 2024 by Yuccaguy

[BTF]

48 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

No by far the biggest travesty was Jim Brown not winning the Heisman Trophy.   And you ABSOLUTELY know why!  

I guess I have a presumption, but to be fair, I'll have to look into it further. I don't remember the story to be honest. 

 

[BTF]

54 minutes ago, BTF said:

I guess I have a presumption, but to be fair, I'll have to look into it further. I don't remember the story to be honest. 

 

Paul Hornung all the way. 

[Sparty]

5 hours ago, BTF said:

I guess I have a presumption, but to be fair, I'll have to look into it further. I don't remember the story to be honest. 

 

He’s insinuating Brown didn’t win (right or wrong) the Heisman because he was black. 

[BTF]

3 hours ago, Sparty said:

He’s insinuating Brown didn’t win (right or wrong) the Heisman because he was black. 

I presumed that. I just don't know enough about the players back in 1956 to form an educated opinion. 

[Sparty]

4 hours ago, BTF said:

I presumed that. I just don't know enough about the players back in 1956 to form an educated opinion. 

Ok

[Yuccaguy]

16 hours ago, Sparty said:

He’s insinuating Brown didn’t win (right or wrong) the Heisman because he was black. 

Not "insinuating"...  I am ABSOLUTELY saying it!

Also, as an aside.   Explain why Hershcel Walker and/or Bo Jackson didn't win when it was quite clear that EACH was the best Collegiate player when they were underclassmen?

Rules were placed upon them that only Archie Griffin was able to overcome.

Manti Teo. ..PULEEZE. 

Paul Hourning?  (he) Benefited from being a part of the Irish "subway" - National coverage.   Jim Brown by far had a better season @ Syracuse University.  

[BTF]

6 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

Not "insinuating"...  I am ABSOLUTELY saying it!

Also, as an aside.   Explain why Hershcel Walker and/or Bo Jackson didn't win when it was quite clear that EACH was the best Collegiate player when they were underclassmen?

Rules were placed upon them that only Archie Griffin was able to overcome.

Manti Teo. ..PULEEZE. 

Paul Hourning?  (he) Benefited from being a part of the Irish "subway" - National coverage.   Jim Brown by far had a better season @ Syracuse University.  

Let's go back to that "character" thing that was being discussed earlier. I'm glad Brown didn't win it. 

Now, strictly speaking of football? Tough question since I wasn't on earth in 1956. I do know that there was another running back that finished ahead of Brown in the voting who averaged 7.2 yards per carry versus Brown's 6.2. Also, Hornung did everything. He was a quarterback, a running back, a receiver, a punter, a kick returner, and a punt returner. Maybe that had something to do with it? 

It's not like there wasn't other qualified candidates that year. 

Edited December 21, 2024 by BTF

[Yuccaguy]

30 minutes ago, BTF said:

Let's go back to that "character" thing that was being discussed earlier. I'm glad Brown didn't win it. 

Now, strictly speaking of football? Tough question since I wasn't on earth in 1956. I do know that there was another running back that finished ahead of Brown in the voting who averaged 7.2 yards per carry versus Brown's 6.2. Also, Hornung did everything. He was a quarterback, a running back, a receiver, a punter, a kick returner, and a punt returner. Maybe that had something to do with it? 

It's not like there wasn't other qualified candidates that year. 

Character???   I don't think that throwing women out out of window (as a PROFESSIONAL) even comes into the perview. 

YET, in EVERY PROFESSIONAL League, GAMBLING is absolutely forbidden 🚫!  That would be the "Golden Boy, and Alex (Mongo) Karras).

None of that has anything to do with college football in 1956..  Nice try.  

Also, Jim Brown played BOTH sides of the ball.  Care to address that difference?  

3-6 losing season at ND.  Cotton Bowl Championship at Syracuse University.  

[Bobref]

31 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

 I don't think that throwing women out out of window

I think it was throwing a woman off a balcony, not out of a window.

[Sparty]

3 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Not "insinuating"...  I am ABSOLUTELY saying it!

Also, as an aside.   Explain why Hershcel Walker and/or Bo Jackson didn't win when it was quite clear that EACH was the best Collegiate player when they were underclassmen?

Rules were placed upon them that only Archie Griffin was able to overcome.

Manti Teo. ..PULEEZE. 

Paul Hourning?  (he) Benefited from being a part of the Irish "subway" - National coverage.   Jim Brown by far had a better season @ Syracuse University.  

No, you passively insinuated the issue in the initial post.  2nd post you manned up and said what you implied in the first.  

[BTF]

3 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Character???   I don't think that throwing women out out of window (as a PROFESSIONAL) even comes into the perview. 

YET, in EVERY PROFESSIONAL League, GAMBLING is absolutely forbidden 🚫!  That would be the "Golden Boy, and Alex (Mongo) Karras).

None of that has anything to do with college football in 1956..  Nice try.  

Also, Jim Brown played BOTH sides of the ball.  Care to address that difference?  

3-6 losing season at ND.  Cotton Bowl Championship at Syracuse University.  

Again, I can't speak of 1956. I wasn't there to see it in person. But I have no respect for a guy that is a serial abuser of women, sorry. 

[BTF]

4 hours ago, Yuccaguy said:

Explain why Hershcel Walker and/or Bo Jackson didn't win when it was quite clear that EACH was the best Collegiate player when they were underclassmen?

As a sophomore, Walker lost to Marcus Allen, then beat out John Elway and Eric Dickerson his junior year. Not sure what the problem is.

Bo Jackson won in 1985, didn't even finish in the Top 10 before that. Are you sure he was deserving as an underclassman?

Edited December 22, 2024 by BTF

[PHJIrish]

On 12/21/2024 at 12:12 AM, Sparty said:

He’s insinuating Brown didn’t win (right or wrong) the Heisman because he was black. 

So?

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

So?

And?

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

So?

Is there concrete, 100% factual evidence, that Yucca’s claim is true?

[PHJIrish]

9 minutes ago, Sparty said:

Is there concrete, 100% factual evidence, that Yucca’s claim is true?

You must be a young person.  It was common in the 1950's to bypass players of color for major awards.  Just a sign of the times.

[Sparty]

52 minutes ago, PHJIrish said:

You must be a young person.  It was common in the 1950's to bypass players of color for major awards.  Just a sign of the times.

So no concrete evidence.  Thank you. No I am not “young”.   People get tired of baseless claims.  Hornung was the Hunter of that generation.

[Yuccaguy]

19 hours ago, Sparty said:

So no concrete evidence.  Thank you. No I am not “young”.   People get tired of baseless claims.  Hornung was the Hunter of that generation.

Might want to look at what was done to Johnny Bright, one of the GREATEST players ever to come out of Indiana.  He was basically massacred in game.  No penalties ever called.  

I wasn't born in the 1950's.  But as an avid fan of football, I've made myself aware of many of the historical slights that have occurred within that sport (and others).

When on to become a CFL legend and is in their HOF.  

On 12/21/2024 at 8:46 PM, BTF said:

As a sophomore, Walker lost to Marcus Allen, then beat out John Elway and Eric Dickerson his junior year. Not sure what the problem is.

Bo Jackson won in 1985, didn't even finish in the Top 10 before that. Are you sure he was deserving as an underclassman?

BOTH, Bo and Herschel had much better seasons the years "before" they won the Heisman.  At that point it was basically a career award, not a season-season award.  

 

[BTF]

1 minute ago, Yuccaguy said:

Might want to look at what was done to Johnny Bright, one of the GREATEST players ever to come out of Indiana.  He was basically massacred in game.  No penalties ever called.  

I wasn't born in the 1950's.  But as an avid fan of football, I've made myself aware of many of the historical slights that have occurred within that sport (and others).

When on to become a CFL legend and is in their HOF.  

BOTH, Bo and Herschel had much better seasons the years "before" they won the Heisman.  At that point it was basically a career award, not a season-season award.  

 

Looking forward to the video. I'm well aware of Johnny Bright's mistreatment among his foes. Tragic, but what a good man to pull through that. 

I've said all along that the Heisman should go to a senior, which appears to be the case decades ago. It's hard for me to feel sorry for Jackson or Walker, considering they both ultimately walked away with the trophy. Regarding Brown, I'm not saying he wasn't a victim of racism, I'm just saying that there appeared to be some other pretty good candidates in that class. I really just don't know the answer and don't feel like speculating on something I have zero knowledge of. 

[PHJIrish]

On 12/22/2024 at 4:15 PM, Sparty said:

So no concrete evidence.  Thank you. No I am not “young”.   People get tired of baseless claims.  Hornung was the Hunter of that generation.

I'm 81 years old and I remember many players of color not receiving their just do just because of their skin color.  It's history!  The first player of color to win the Heisman, for example, was the great Ernie Davis from Syracuse in 1961.  I lived through the era of racial divide.  I know all about it.  BTW, I was blest to have seen Ernie Davis play for the Orangemen at Notre Dame in 1961, and I can attest that he deserved the award!  He was dynamite, and it's a shame that he died soon after from cancer.

[Sparty]

1 hour ago, PHJIrish said:

I'm 81 years old and I remember many players of color not receiving their just do just because of their skin color.  It's history!  The first player of color to win the Heisman, for example, was the great Ernie Davis from Syracuse in 1961.  I lived through the era of racial divide.  I know all about it.  BTW, I was blest to have seen Ernie Davis play for the Orangemen at Notre Dame in 1961, and I can attest that he deserved the award!  He was dynamite, and it's a shame that he died soon after from cancer.

To the eye or were these “injustices” (lack of votes) publicly stated?