2025 College Football Season

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

I can't answer as to why the NCAA is spineless. I've repeatedly stated that. 

I do know they didn't hand out the single largest show-cause in their institutions history (among multi-year show-cause to several other coaches and staffers) to a team that "won fair and square".

Why did Paul Manafort only receive a 43 months for a conviction that carried a 25 year sentence? I can't answer these questions. 

Acting like Michigan did nothing wrong because the NCAA let them off easy doesn't excuse what they did. 

Maybe Sherrone Moore coaching your team is retribution and karma for the rest of us.

 

Can you show me where I said that it wasn’t wrong?  It was obviously wrong.

Now, to the extent it changed anything that actually happened on the field I think the results speak for themselves.

Teams began to huddle, and Ohio State claimed for three consecutive years that they changed their signs before the Michigan game and they went 0-3.

Leading up to the Rose Bowl, Saban scoffed at the insinuation that he should be concerned at any level about Michigan “stealing signs.”

But hey, GID resident in fraction expert @Footballking16 is outraged.

[Footballking16]

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

Can you show me where I said that it wasn’t wrong?  It was obviously wrong.

Now, to the extent it changed anything that actually happened on the field I think the results speak for themselves.

Teams began to huddle, and Ohio State claimed for three consecutive years that they changed their signs before the Michigan game and they went 0-3.

Leading up to the Rose Bowl, Saban scoffed at the insinuation that he should be concerned at any level about Michigan “stealing signs.”

But hey, GID resident in fraction expert @Footballking16 is outraged.

So because they won AFTER they stopped cheating makes it alright? How does that even make sense? I'm allowed to steal from the grocery store for the month of November and I should get a lighter sentence in the event I get caught if I show receipts for the items I purchased in December?

Of all the dumb things you've said on this website....

Edited November 3, 2025 by Footballking16

[temptation]

5 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

So because they won AFTER they stopped cheating makes it alright? How does that even make sense? I'm allowed to steal from the grocery store for the month of November and I should get a lighter sentence in the event I get caught if I show receipts for the items I purchased in December?

Of all the dumb things you've said on this website....

No, the fact that they won AFTER the cheating proves that the “cheating” was marginal at best.

It became a boogeyman talking point (mainly from Michigan’s rivals (and Matt Ruhle)) to save their jobs and justify why they were getting their teeth kicked in.

Michigan gave up 27 and 23 against OSU with “the spy” and then 24 and 10 against them without him and after claiming they “changed their signs.”

Man, all of those ass beatings Michigan has given IU over the years sure has left its mark.

[Footballking16]

1 minute ago, temptation said:

No, the fact that they won AFTER the cheating proves that the “cheating” was marginal at best.

It became a boogeyman talking point (mainly from Michigan’s rivals (and Matt Ruhle)) to save their jobs and justify why they were getting their teeth kicked in.

Michigan gave up 27 and 23 against OSU with “the spy” and then 24 and 10 against them without him and after claiming they “changed their signs.”

Man, all of those ass beatings Michigan has given IU over the years sure has left its mark.

Marginal at best equals a 14 year show-cause?

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

Marginal at best equals a 14 year show-cause?

Look at the box scores.  
 

You said yourself that the NCAA was spineless.

They went heavy on the show cause portion to give clowns like you the appearance they were taking things seriously.

[gonzoron]

Back on topic:

If the CFP started with today's rankings, it would be Notre Dame vs. Ole Miss, winner to play Indiana.

[Footballking16]

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

Look at the box scores.  
 

You said yourself that the NCAA was spineless.

They went heavy on the show cause portion to give clowns like you the appearance they were taking things seriously.

To a 65 year old who left the sport with no intention of coming back?

Like I said, spineless.

[temptation]

2 minutes ago, Footballking16 said:

To a 65 year old who left the sport with no intention of coming back?

Like I said, spineless.

Love watching a snake eat its own tail.

”It should have been a 60 year show cause!”

Edited November 3, 2025 by temptation

[Bash Riprock]

3 hours ago, temptation said:

You keep referring to this "cheating" but not one damn person on here has told me specifically how the "scandal" impacted games...

The NCAA press release I have provided you more than once covers the impact.  Shame you won't take a couple of minutes to read it because facts are irrelevant to you when it comes to Michigan.  WalMart Wolverine.....

[temptation]

38 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said:

The NCAA press release I have provided you more than once covers the impact.  Shame you won't take a couple of minutes to read it because facts are irrelevant to you when it comes to Michigan.  WalMart Wolverine.....

Oh, I’ve read it.  Doesn’t state anywhere the specific impact it had on the outcome of games.

Figured an intellectual football mind like yourself (I mean since you repeatedly remind the board you played the game) would be able to point to some specific X’s and O’s that gave Michigan a tangible competitive advantage.

And if so, why did they continue to win once the guilty party was dismissed from the program?

Whatcha got for us Hallmark Hoosier?

Edited November 3, 2025 by temptation

[temptation]

Separate question for the board…

Can anyone tell me Marcus Freeman’s record against his alma mater as the head coach at Notre Dame?

Edited November 3, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

5 hours ago, temptation said:

Big cheating scandals usually result in forefited games, postseason bans, etc...

You mean like Notre Dame forfeiting 21 games because four smart kids had tutors doing their work for them? That's a vendetta against the Irish. 

[23andCounting]

2 hours ago, temptation said:

Separate question for the board…

Can anyone tell me Marcus Freeman’s record against his alma mater as the head coach at Notre Dame?

You know the answer already. Where are you going with this?

[Komets2727]

3 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

You know the answer already. Where are you going with this?

Everyone knows damn well where he is going with this, to deflect the criticism from Michigan. Same song, same dance over and over again 

[23andCounting]

7 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Everyone knows damn well where he is going with this, to deflect the criticism from Michigan. Same song, same dance over and over again 

Personally, I think Harbaugh is a devious slime ball when it comes to winning. Probably a great person otherwise. Probably a fun guy to have a beer with. Probably gives back to the community. I'm neither here nor there on the cheating scandal, I'm just glad the SEC didn't win the championship that year. Now, the guy driving around the Indiana lake blaring the Michigan fight song donning the university flag at the back of his boat? I really wish I had a rocket launcher. 

Night guys, gonna put on my pajamas and go to bed. Notre Dame top, Indiana bottoms. 

[temptation]

26 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

Everyone knows damn well where he is going with this, to deflect the criticism from Michigan. Same song, same dance over and over again 

Just asked a simple question, that’s all.

Just been told that Sherrone is awful and Freeman is a top 5 coach.

Why won’t you answer?

Edited November 4, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Just asked a simple question, that’s all.

Just been told that Sherrone is awful and Freeman is a top 5 coach.

Why won’t you answer?

Lol, you can't compare the two Temp. Body of work. 

[temptation]

10 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Lol, you can't compare the two Temp. Body of work. 

Freeman ever beaten Bama?

Sherrone has never lost to a MAC school…

Someone on this board even compared Freeman to the all-time ND greats.

Edited November 4, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

Freeman ever beaten Bama?

Sherrone has never lost to a MAC school…

C'mon, certainly you're joking. You really don't want to debate this, right?

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

C'mon, certainly you're joking. You really don't want to debate this, right?

Nah, I don’t.  Just yanking your chain.

I do like how folks have such a quick rush to judgment in both directions, however.

I’ll just end with this.

Freeman isn’t as good as many of you are claiming and Sherrone isn’t as bad.

Let’s revisit this after the 2026 season.

Edited November 4, 2025 by temptation

[23andCounting]

12 minutes ago, temptation said:

Nah, I don’t.  Just yanking your chain.

I do like how folks have such a quick rush to judgment in both directions, however.

Moore seems like a likable guy, I wish him well. I honestly don't care about any of this stuff, it's in the past. I do think the NCAA is a shit show though. Texas can give their 18 year old's passes to get into any 21 and over strip club they want. Most team's players sound so incoherent during interviews, one has to wonder how they even got into college. Notre Dame has four smart kids have tutors do some work for them because a school's workload and a football workload is a pain in the a**. And the NCAA pulls 21 victories out from under them. Sorry, just talking out loud here. 

Edited November 4, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Coach Nowlin]

Harbaugh Michigan teams of his last 3 years equate to Tom Brady last 3 Super Bowls for the PATS.......Correlation.......hmmmmmmmm.   

Literally to me same thing:  NE winning too many times....lets see if they can find all the ways they have cheated....yup, has to be that......

5 hours ago, gonzoron said:

Back on topic:

If the CFP started with today's rankings, it would be Notre Dame vs. Ole Miss, winner to play Indiana.

Sucks IU will have to play a B10 Championship game and risk losing premium seed.....however perhaps they host a game then.....  Oh the Irony....

[23andCounting]

9 hours ago, temptation said:

Freeman isn’t as good as many of you are claiming and Sherrone isn’t as bad.

Appreciate your opinion and honesty, but I think you're wrong about that. Freeman is a national champion caliber coach. This year is a good example. Choice of defensive coordinator wasn't a real good one, which is on him. But he stepped up to the plate and helped right that ship. Now the defense is playing at a caliber of that when Freeman was a coordinator himself. 

Notre Dame will be champions within the next three years. I believe that to be fact. 

[Footballking16]

9 hours ago, Coach Nowlin said:

Sucks IU will have to play a B10 Championship game and risk losing premium seed.....however perhaps they host a game then.....  Oh the Irony....

If Ohio State and IU are both undefeated playing for the B10 championship...the loser isn't dropping out of the top 4 unless it's a completely non-competitive 40 point game game. If Alabama and/or Texas A&M lose before they play each other in the SEC title game you can probably pencil in Ohio State and Indiana as top 4 seeds before they even play the game. 

Edited November 4, 2025 by Footballking16

[temptation]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

Appreciate your opinion and honesty, but I think you're wrong about that. Freeman is a national champion caliber coach. This year is a good example. Choice of defensive coordinator wasn't a real good one, which is on him. But he stepped up to the plate and helped right that ship. Now the defense is playing at a caliber of that when Freeman was a coordinator himself. 

Notre Dame will be champions within the next three years. I believe that to be fact. 

Guess it all depends on how much weight you place on the big wins versus the bad losses.

Two losses was usually a death sentence prior to the CFP era so I feel many folks are willing to overlook the bad early season losses if you close strong, which Notre Dame did last year and is likely to do this year.