Week 5 Takeaways

[23andCounting]

If anyone thinks NE Indiana football is dead this year, they may want to think again. Carroll, East Noble, Dwenger, and Luers all have semi-state potential. The latter three maybe further. 

Brownsburg seems to be on a collision course with Carmel. 

Warsaw gets HAMMERED by Concord. Defense wins championships. That excludes the Tigers.

Mishawaka's stock is rising. Maybe it was never down. They'll give the East Noble/Dwenger winner all they can handle and more.

A dictator needs to move in and bump New Pal up to 6A............this season!

How important is transitive property? What would happen in a Warren Central vs Concord matchup?

 

 

Edited September 20, 2025 by 23andCounting

[Komets2727]

29 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

If anyone thinks NE Indiana football is dead this year, they may want to think again. Carroll, East Noble, Dwenger, and Luers all have semi-state potential. The latter three maybe further. 

Brownsburg seems to be on a collision course with Carmel. 

Warsaw gets HAMMERED by Concord. Defense wins championships. That excludes the Tigers.

Mishawaka's stock is rising. Maybe it was never down. They'll give the East Noble/Dwenger winner all they can handle and more.

A dictator needs to move in and bump New Pal up to 6A............this season!

How important is transitive property? What would happen in a Warren Central vs Concord matchup?

 

 

Where is North Side being a threat in 5A that you called? Losing to Luers, who got shutout by Snider last week, and giving up 31 points an anemic Luers offense is not good

Dwenger is not a threat with that offense. East Noble giving up 40 points is not a good sign to a Leo team you say is not a threat. Mishawaka is the favorite to come out of the North

As stated previously, EN and Warsaw beating Snider becomes more irrelevant by the week. Without the botched punt by Carroll, it would have been 40-0 with a running clock in the 3rd quarter. Warsaw is irrelevant come tourney time

Warren Central would beat Concord

 

[23andCounting]

9 minutes ago, Komets2727 said:

1. Where is North Side being a threat in 5A that you called? Losing to Luers, who got shutout by Snider last week, and giving up 31 points an anemic Luers offense is not good

2. Dwenger is not a threat with that offense. East Noble giving up 40 points is not a good sign to a Leo team you say is not a threat. Mishawaka is the favorite to come out of the North

3. As stated previously, EN and Warsaw beating Snider becomes more irrelevant by the week. Without the botched punt by Carroll, it would have been 40-0 with a running clock in the 3rd quarter. Warsaw is irrelevant come tourney time

4. Warren Central would beat Concord

 

1.  When did I say that? A few weeks ago? Nah, North might be a threat in the NE part of the state, but I think the 5A North will come down to Concord, Jeff, and Merrillville. As far as Luers goes, I don't think 3A north is looking that strong, so they may have an opportunity at a deep run.

2.  With that Defense, Dwenger is a threat against anyone if we're being honest. I still like East Noble. I can't get over the 38-0 drubbing of the Saints a year ago. Leo kept alternating being down 21, then 14, all night long. EN was clearly the better team. What were you saying about Columbia City a few days ago?

3.  Agree

4.  Not so sure. This Concord team intrigues me. 

[Rodney]

I'd hate to see this thread fall through the cracks.

 

Dwenger and EN are both possible Title contenders, though I imagine both of them are Praying not to see HH when they get there.

if literally anyone else can pick HH off beforehand they might make a game out of this.

North side is not a threat in 5a, though it would be funny to see them send Merrillville home.

WC would beat concord.

 

[23andCounting]

28 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I'd hate to see this thread fall through the cracks.

 

Dwenger and EN are both possible Title contenders, though I imagine both of them are Praying not to see HH when they get there.

if literally anyone else can pick HH off beforehand they might make a game out of this.

North side is not a threat in 5a, though it would be funny to see them send Merrillville home.

WC would beat concord.

 

Maybe HH is the favorite, but something tells me EN, Dwenger, or Mishawaka will show up expecting to win that game. 

Again, Concord intrigues me. Why didn't WC manhandle the Tigers almost effortlessly like Concord did?

[LC_Bears_04]

8 hours ago, Rodney said:

I'd hate to see this thread fall through the cracks.

 

Dwenger and EN are both possible Title contenders, though I imagine both of them are Praying not to see HH when they get there.

if literally anyone else can pick HH off beforehand they might make a game out of this.

North side is not a threat in 5a, though it would be funny to see them send Merrillville home.

WC would beat concord.

 

Heritage Hills has to get through Chatard first.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

10 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

Maybe HH is the favorite, but something tells me EN, Dwenger, or Mishawaka will show up expecting to win that game. 

Again, Concord intrigues me. Why didn't WC manhandle the Tigers almost effortlessly like Concord did?

I know I'll get flamed for this ,But . Sometimes that 2 hour bus ride does come into play . My guess is that Warren beats Warsaw by 6-7 scores if that game was in Indy . 

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

I know I'll get flamed for this ,But . Sometimes that 2 hour bus ride does come into play . My guess is that Warren beats Warsaw by 6-7 scores if that game was in Indy . 

I would have agreed with you before that study came out. It pretty much reveals zero impact on the game.

Explain Snider crushing Warren Central 42-20 in Indy. Then Warren winning in FW 15-0 the following year. Prime example. If you saw that study, you'd agree. 

[BDGiant93]

To those who think Warren would be a win for your squad:

Warren has a fantastic defense. They have one of the best running backs in the state. They have two QBs who share time and can sling it, too. WC is only getting better. Unless you're one of the top 6A teams or maybe one or two in 5A, you're not beating them.

Edited September 22, 2025 by BDGiant93

[temptation]

3 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

To those who think Warren would be a win for your squad:

Warren has a fantastic defense. They have one of the best running backs in the state. They have two QBs who share time and can sling it, too. WC is only getting better. Unless you're one of the top 6A teams or maybe one or two in 5A, you're not beating them.

Here we go…🙄

[GOLDRUSH1985]

10 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

I would have agreed with you before that study came out. It pretty much reveals zero impact on the game.

Explain Snider crushing Warren Central 42-20 in Indy. Then Warren winning in FW 15-0 the following year. Prime example. If you saw that study, you'd agree. 

Key word I used is sometimes . Warren winning in FW 15-0 , again probably 28-0 in Indy. 

[Coach Lou]

Don't count Warsaw out yet. Last year we wrote them off after loosing to Plymouth and the Tigers ended ups making it to Lucas Oil.

Concord's win is impressive.

Mishawaka may be the real deal. I hear they had 53 by half this week and actually threw the ball some.

 

[23andCounting]

1 hour ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Key word I used is sometimes . Warren winning in FW 15-0 , again probably 28-0 in Indy. 

So Snider would have beaten Warren the year before 49-7 if it were in Fort Wayne? 

I'm telling you Goldrush, I fought tooth and nail on your claim for years. This study is head scratching. Makes no sense to me. But it shows that traveling two hours has no affect. 

[23andCounting]

51 minutes ago, Coach Lou said:

Don't count Warsaw out yet. Last year we wrote them off after loosing to Plymouth and the Tigers ended ups making it to Lucas Oil.

Concord's win is impressive.

Mishawaka may be the real deal. I hear they had 53 by half this week and actually threw the ball some.

 

Warsaw's defense won't improve enough for them to be a factor unfortunately. 

Concord's win was an eye opener to say the least. 

I hope Mishawaka is the real deal. Whoever comes out of the North, be it Mishawaka, Dwenger, or East Noble, will be ready to rumble for a state title. 

[BDGiant93]

1 hour ago, BDGiant93 said:

To those who think Warren would be a win for your squad:

Warren has a fantastic defense. They have one of the best running backs in the state. They have two QBs who share time and can sling it, too. WC is only getting better. Unless you're one of the top 6A teams or maybe one or two in 5A, you're not beating them.

So you disagree?

[Frozen Tundra]

1 hour ago, 23andCounting said:

So Snider would have beaten Warren the year before 49-7 if it were in Fort Wayne? 

I'm telling you Goldrush, I fought tooth and nail on your claim for years. This study is head scratching. Makes no sense to me. But it shows that traveling two hours has no affect. 

Overall, it does prove the travel has no effect on the outcome. However, there are always exceptions to the rule. Just because the data states it has no effect doesn’t mean that’s 100% accurate. Even if it’s 99%, that means there’s an exception to the rule somewhere.

[GOLDRUSH1985]

2 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

So Snider would have beaten Warren the year before 49-7 if it were in Fort Wayne? 

I'm telling you Goldrush, I fought tooth and nail on your claim for years. This study is head scratching. Makes no sense to me. But it shows that traveling two hours has no affect. 

Not going to argue about it, could care less whatever data you’re looking at. I’m going off what my eyes have seen after watching high school football for 50 years. Not to mention  all the coaches that say it does matter. Most coaches will say if the team traveling is a better team, they still should win the game, but the traveling team’s performance was lacking. 

[Rodney]

3 hours ago, 23andCounting said:

So Snider would have beaten Warren the year before 49-7 if it were in Fort Wayne? 

I'm telling you Goldrush, I fought tooth and nail on your claim for years. This study is head scratching. Makes no sense to me. But it shows that traveling two hours has no affect. 

I believed for years that travel has no effect on gameplay,

 

however I will absolutely not tolerate science on my football field, so now I am a firm believer that travel is one of the most important aspects of the game.

[temptation]

2 hours ago, BDGiant93 said:

So you disagree?

I guess it depends upon how deep your list of “top teams in 6A” goes.

I mean there are only 32 in the class and think Warren is in the top-third.  I think a couple of 6A teams behind them in my poll could also hold their own.

They seem to like to turn the ball over…can get away with that against the bottom feeders and a down BD squad but the teams atop 6A will punish you for it.

[23andCounting]

4 hours ago, GOLDRUSH1985 said:

Key word I used is sometimes . Warren winning in FW 15-0 , again probably 28-0 in Indy. 

Well, that's a bad example. Snider's defense had three guys go to Notre Dame, IU, and Delaware, and two went to the University of Indianapolis. So Warren probably isn't scoring 28 on Snider even if the Panthers only had 10 guys. I'm still curious though, does it go both ways? Do you think Snider wins the 2023 game 49-7 if it were in Fort Wayne? Don't look at this as an argument, rather a good debate. I'm not 100% sold on the study, but it was an eye opener. The more I think about it..............a team gets off the bus, what, at least an hour and a half before gametime? An opportunity to wind down, then warm up on the field. I'm just not sure the down time on the bus has much affect anymore, but that's just me. I respect your opinion though. 

[23andCounting]

33 minutes ago, Rodney said:

so now I am a firm believer that travel is one of the most important aspects of the game.

Really? Or are you just f****** around? I wanna know how the Wizard of Rodney really feels. 

[Rodney]

1 minute ago, 23andCounting said:

Really? Or are you just f****** around? I wanna know how the Wizard of Rodney really feels. 

the idea that an 18 year old kid plays exactly the same after a multi hour bus ride, as he would on his home field makes so little sense that I have to believe that the study you're referencing is inherently flawed.

 

 

 

[Rodney]

6 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Well, that's a bad example. Snider's defense had three guys go to Notre Dame, IU, and Delaware, and two went to the University of Indianapolis. 

with numbers like that they have to be closing the gap with Merrillville

[23andCounting]

19 minutes ago, Rodney said:

the idea that an 18 year old kid plays exactly the same after a multi hour bus ride, as he would on his home field makes so little sense that I have to believe that the study you're referencing is inherently flawed.

 

 

 

Noblesville over Homestead in FW 49-6. The Miller's didn't seem to play very tired that night. The following year Homestead wins in Indy. The examples are endless.

[Rodney]

2 minutes ago, 23andCounting said:

Noblesville over Homestead in FW 49-6. The Miller's didn't seem to play very tired that night. The following year Homestead wins in Indy. The examples are endless.

better team wins

 

doesn't mean they didn't play worse.