Frozen Tundra Posted June 5 Posted June 5 I hate the “Indiana” Bears term or Gary Bears or Hammond Bears or anything that doesn’t say Chicago. They’re still the Chicago Bears regardless. The Giants and Jets are still the New York Giants and New York Jets despite playing in New Jersey. The Cowboys are still the Dallas Cowboys despite being in Arlington. The 49ers are still the San Francisco 49ers despite being in Santa Clara. It’s all about being in the metropolitan area of the geographic name (i.e. NYC, Dallas/Fort Worth, and San Francisco Bay). Whether in Illinois or Indiana, they’re still in the Chicago metropolitan area and, as a Packers fan, I still hate them. Carry on. I shall now get off my soapbox. Quote
Bobref Posted June 5 Posted June 5 21 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: as a Packers fan No Bears’ fan cares what you think … and we hope you fall off your soapbox and hit your head — even though it’s not a vital organ! 🤣😂😅 1 1 Quote
Boilernation Posted June 5 Posted June 5 54 minutes ago, Frozen Tundra said: I hate the “Indiana” Bears term or Gary Bears or Hammond Bears or anything that doesn’t say Chicago. They’re still the Chicago Bears regardless. The Giants and Jets are still the New York Giants and New York Jets despite playing in New Jersey. The Cowboys are still the Dallas Cowboys despite being in Arlington. The 49ers are still the San Francisco 49ers despite being in Santa Clara. It’s all about being in the metropolitan area of the geographic name (i.e. NYC, Dallas/Fort Worth, and San Francisco Bay). Whether in Illinois or Indiana, they’re still in the Chicago metropolitan area and, as a Packers fan, I still hate them. Carry on. I shall now get off my soapbox. Technically, they're not even in Chicago in the first place. Halas Hall and the practice fields are in suburban Lake Forest. 1 Quote
Boilernation Posted June 5 Posted June 5 Is this just a last ditch effort by the Bears to get Illinois to committ to property tax certainty and infrastructure improvements? Conflicting info here, but Cronin is a legit journalist and is well informed when it comes to the Bears. Quote
Frozen Tundra Posted June 5 Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Bobref said: No Bears’ fan cares what you think … and we hope you fall off your soapbox and hit your head — even though it’s not a vital organ! 🤣😂😅 Hey now, I’m protective of the rivalry. I don’t have to like the Bears to fight on their behalf to keep them as the “Chicago” Bears. It’s a special rivalry and I respect the legendary Bears players and their tradition. So we’re on the same side there. But that’s where it ends. I have more that I could say about them but I don’t need the admins kicking me off the site 😂 1 Quote
Titan32 Posted June 5 Author Posted June 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frozen Tundra said: I hate the “Indiana” Bears term or Gary Bears or Hammond Bears or anything that doesn’t say Chicago. They’re still the Chicago Bears regardless. The Giants and Jets are still the New York Giants and New York Jets despite playing in New Jersey. The Cowboys are still the Dallas Cowboys despite being in Arlington. The 49ers are still the San Francisco 49ers despite being in Santa Clara. It’s all about being in the metropolitan area of the geographic name (i.e. NYC, Dallas/Fort Worth, and San Francisco Bay). Whether in Illinois or Indiana, they’re still in the Chicago metropolitan area and, as a Packers fan, I still hate them. Carry on. I shall now get off my soapbox. It's a joke man. 45 minutes ago, Boilernation said: Is this just a last ditch effort by the Bears to get Illinois to committ to property tax certainty and infrastructure improvements? Conflicting info here, but Cronin is a legit journalist and is well informed when it comes to the Bears. Illinois is out of the race. Indiana will "sell the farm" to turn Indiana into a huge industrial park with a few footbal fields. Pun intended. Edited June 5 by Titan32 Quote
23andCounting Posted June 5 Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Titan32 said: It's a joke man. Illinois is out of the race. Indiana will "sell the farm" to turn Indiana into a huge industrial park with a few footbal fields. Pun intended. Illinois has always despised Indiana politically. It'll be off the charts now. Quote
Muda69 Posted June 5 Posted June 5 But, but what about all the toxic waste that is supposed to be on, and surrounding the Hammond site? How many more taxpayers dollars will it take to remove all that, maybe dump it somewhere in Green Bay? Quote
23andCounting Posted June 6 Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Muda69 said: But, but what about all the toxic waste that is supposed to be on, and surrounding the Hammond site? How many more taxpayers dollars will it take to remove all that, maybe dump it somewhere in Green Bay? Doesn't matter. Indiana will operate this as a loss if they have to. They're just laughing their asses off that they took the stadium from Illinois. Indiana's been whipping Illinois politically for years. Quote
Boilernation Posted June 6 Posted June 6 Bears still haven't fully committed. I'll believe it when a site is officially picked and construction is announced. But, I'm still betting on Illinois to completely screw this up because of politics. They've given away Milliions in tax payers funds for other reasons recently. Not giving the Bears a fair property tax rate as well as infrastructure upgrades around the property is not about them sticking it to the Billiionaires. It's political turmoil from within, imo. I'm thinking it's 80/20 at this point in favor of Indiana with the Bears ownership practically begging Illinois to cave. They once again crafted a public statement in favor of Indiana without actually committing on going to Indiana. Quote
Boilernation Posted June 6 Posted June 6 3 hours ago, Muda69 said: But, but what about all the toxic waste that is supposed to be on, and surrounding the Hammond site? How many more taxpayers dollars will it take to remove all that, maybe dump it somewhere in Green Bay? Muda, are you a pro union guy? I'm sure the local ironworkers union out of Hammond or Portage is loving this deal if it happens, which is interesting because that union is proud Democrats. I think the toxic waste is just rumors and the main issue will just be how much of Wolf Lake and the surrounding areas will need to be filled in. Sadly, I have a feeling Lost Marsh Golf Course would be used. Quote
23andCounting Posted June 6 Posted June 6 It's really kind of sad that the Bears had this beautiful area in Arlington Heights lined up and now they are strongly considering the nasty run down area of Hammond. Money talks. Nor do I feel sorry for the political landscape of Chicago. Is what it is I guess. Quote
23andCounting Posted June 6 Posted June 6 Why stop there? Maybe New Albany is interested in a franchise. Quote
23andCounting Posted June 6 Posted June 6 14 minutes ago, Irishman said: That could be the home for the next St. Louis franchise. Are they considering a move? Truth be told, I don't think Louisville is on the NFL's radar. Too small. Quote
Muda69 Posted June 6 Posted June 6 18 hours ago, Boilernation said: Muda, are you a pro union guy? I'm ambivalent regarding private sector unions. If individuals want to join one and really believe they derive some benefit from it, more power to them. But public sector unions should be illegal. Full stop. Quote
Frozen Tundra Posted June 6 Posted June 6 5 hours ago, Irishman said: Indiana is not done yet. 🤣 Why Batesville? Lawrenceburg is in the Cincinnati metropolitan area. Therefore, they can remain the Cincinnati Bengals. Plus, they can build a stadium along the Ohio River and have a nice riverfront district. And, like with Hammond, there would be a casino nearby. 1 Quote
Boilernation Posted June 9 Posted June 9 21 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Moot point. They'll be building in Arlington Heights. Nonetheless, personally, if I still lived in Porter County, I would be willing to pay a "luxury" tax at restaraunts or hotels to have the Bears play in Hammond. The Toll Road tax will come from more than Indiana residents. The admissions tax will come from those who actually attend the games. Quote
Muda69 Posted June 10 Posted June 10 17 hours ago, Boilernation said: Moot point. They'll be building in Arlington Heights. You have inside information? Quote
Boilernation Posted June 10 Posted June 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: You have inside information? Of course not. And I'm not a big fan of difinitive statements as well. Just looking at it objectively, they have a prime piece of property in Arlington Height they own and would like to devlop. I doubt they filed a trademark on the term "Bearadise" just to build a football stadium. They want to own a football stadium and a surrounding entertainment district. And every statement they put out about the idea of moving to Indiana never lists a specific location or timeline for construction. IMO, They'll continue to flirt with Indiana to get Springfield to change some property tax laws that would currently massively over tax the Bears and commit to building up infrastructure around the stadium. The Bears have already said they'll pay for the construction of the stadium in Arlington Heights. Edited June 10 by Boilernation Quote
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