Irishman Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Something like 30 States now have legalized gambling on sports. Calvin Ridley spends $1500 to bet on NFL games. He apparently bet on 3, 5, and 8 game parlays; and none of them included his team; the Falcons. he was suspended for the ENTIRE season next season. For a total of 16 games on FanDuel, while he did not have a direct impact, the odds are he knows guys on the other teams. Anyone associated with a team simply CANNOT gamble on the sport. There are WAY too many issues. We are already seeing a negative impact in my mind that fantasy leagues are having. So, if the NFL were to show any semblance of being fair, I would be ok with the punishment. That said, here are some things to consider: Roger Goodell watched a video of Ray Rice knocking his gf out cold and initially suspended him 2 games Adrian Peterson: felony child abuse; 6 games Greg Hardy: beating gf; 10 games reduced to 4 Ezekiel Elliot: hitting women; 6 games Calvin Ridley: 17 games for using FanDuel I get that the other stuff does not deal directly with game play, but the punishment for the other stuff seems really small, right? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33446869/nfl-suspends-atlanta-falcons-wr-calvin-ridley-least-2022-season-betting-games here is a list of players who had to sit a season for gambling: 1963 Alex Karras 1963 Paul Hornung 1983 Art Schlichter 2019 Josh Shaw 2022 Calvin Ridley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Irishman said: Something like 30 States now have legalized gambling on sports. Calvin Ridley spends $1500 to bet on NFL games. He apparently bet on 3, 5, and 8 game parlays; and none of them included his team; the Falcons. he was suspended for the ENTIRE season next season. For a total of 16 games on FanDuel, while he did not have a direct impact, the odds are he knows guys on the other teams. Anyone associated with a team simply CANNOT gamble on the sport. There are WAY too many issues. We are already seeing a negative impact in my mind that fantasy leagues are having. So, if the NFL were to show any semblance of being fair, I would be ok with the punishment. That said, here are some things to consider: Roger Goodell watched a video of Ray Rice knocking his gf out cold and initially suspended him 2 games Adrian Peterson: felony child abuse; 6 games Greg Hardy: beating gf; 10 games reduced to 4 Ezekiel Elliot: hitting women; 6 games Calvin Ridley: 17 games for using FanDuel I get that the other stuff does not deal directly with game play, but the punishment for the other stuff seems really small, right? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33446869/nfl-suspends-atlanta-falcons-wr-calvin-ridley-least-2022-season-betting-games here is a list of players who had to sit a season for gambling: 1963 Alex Karras 1963 Paul Hornung 1983 Art Schlichter 2019 Josh Shaw 2022 Calvin Ridley Pro sports teams would rather beg for forgiveness from their fans than ask for “permission”. Bunch of clowns. Couldn’t care less. Maybe in 25 years, Ridley can have a TV sitcom w a dwarf white kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) It was bound to happen when every other commercial during an NFL game is for some kind of online sportsbook. But this also kind of begs the question of Brian Flores accusation that Miami Dolphins owners Stephen Ross offered him money to lose games while he was HC of the Dolphins. Doesn't this action, if true, serious compromise the integrity of the game? Edited March 8, 2022 by Muda69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Muda69 said: It was bound to happen when every other commercial during an NFL game is for some kind of online sportsbook. But this also kind of begs the question of Brian Flores accusation that Miami Dolphins owners Stephen Ross offered him money to lose games while he was HC of the Dolphins. Doesn't this action, if true, serious compromise the integrity of the game? Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 36 minutes ago, Muda69 said: It was bound to happen when every other commercial during an NFL game is for some kind of online sportsbook. But this also kind of begs the question of Brian Flores accusation that Miami Dolphins owners Stephen Ross offered him money to lose games while he was HC of the Dolphins. Doesn't this action, if true, serious compromise the integrity of the game? I will bet you a dollar that when all is said and done, what Steven Ross actually said to Flores was nothing like that. Probably a lot more like this: “We understand this is your first year, and we are looking to the future. So, there are incentives in the contract in the form of bonuses, and the won-loss record does not negatively affect them.” Through an agent, lawyer, and the press, that gets translated into getting paid for losing games. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Bobref said: I will bet you a dollar that when all is said and done, what Steven Ross actually said to Flores was nothing like that. Probably a lot more like this: “We understand this is your first year, and we are looking to the future. So, there are incentives in the contract in the form of bonuses, and the won-loss record does not negatively affect them.” Through an agent, lawyer, and the press, that gets translated into getting paid for losing games. Ridiculous. Color me shocked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 15 hours ago, Irishman said: Something like 30 States now have legalized gambling on sports. Calvin Ridley spends $1500 to bet on NFL games. He apparently bet on 3, 5, and 8 game parlays; and none of them included his team; the Falcons. he was suspended for the ENTIRE season next season. For a total of 16 games on FanDuel, while he did not have a direct impact, the odds are he knows guys on the other teams. Anyone associated with a team simply CANNOT gamble on the sport. There are WAY too many issues. We are already seeing a negative impact in my mind that fantasy leagues are having. So, if the NFL were to show any semblance of being fair, I would be ok with the punishment. That said, here are some things to consider: Roger Goodell watched a video of Ray Rice knocking his gf out cold and initially suspended him 2 games Adrian Peterson: felony child abuse; 6 games Greg Hardy: beating gf; 10 games reduced to 4 Ezekiel Elliot: hitting women; 6 games Calvin Ridley: 17 games for using FanDuel I get that the other stuff does not deal directly with game play, but the punishment for the other stuff seems really small, right? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33446869/nfl-suspends-atlanta-falcons-wr-calvin-ridley-least-2022-season-betting-games here is a list of players who had to sit a season for gambling: 1963 Alex Karras 1963 Paul Hornung 1983 Art Schlichter 2019 Josh Shaw 2022 Calvin Ridley Spot on Irish....the NFL announces exclusive sports betting partners, promotes fantasy football, and even moves a storied franchise to the betting capital of the world, but them goes spastic over a player betting a small amount with a NFL partner on games that are not his. Seem inconsistent?? When you choose to "dance with the devil", then try to convince society that you have morals..... https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners https://www.nfl.com/fantasy-football/free-fantasy-football-leagues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Spot on Irish....the NFL announces exclusive sports betting partners, promotes fantasy football, and even moves a storied franchise to the betting capital of the world, but them goes spastic over a player betting a small amount with a NFL partner on games that are not his. Seem inconsistent?? When you choose to "dance with the devil", then try to convince society that you have morals..... https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners https://www.nfl.com/fantasy-football/free-fantasy-football-leagues On the contrary, it’s totally consistent with their partnerships with the gambling industry. It’s not just the “integrity of the game” that’s important anymore. It’s also the “integrity of the line.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bobref said: On the contrary, it’s totally consistent with their partnerships with the gambling industry. It’s not just the “integrity of the game” that’s important anymore. It’s also the “integrity of the line.” Professional football is just entertainment, nothing more. It's has more and more in common professional wrestling than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Professional football is just entertainment, nothing more. It's has more and more in common professional wrestling than anything else. Could not disagree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Bobref said: Could not disagree more. Slippery slope Bob. The NFL condoning and promoting "betting partners" is just the tip of an iceberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Slippery slope Bob. The NFL condoning and promoting "betting partners" is just the tip of an iceberg. The slippery slope to what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bobref said: The slippery slope to what? NFL = WWE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Bobref said: On the contrary, it’s totally consistent with their partnerships with the gambling industry. It’s not just the “integrity of the game” that’s important anymore. It’s also the “integrity of the line.” The inconsistency is not in what they "do"....its their applications of what is moral....what consistitutes integrity. You can disagree with that....we will just see this issue differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: The inconsistency is not in what they "do"....its their applications of what is moral....what consistitutes integrity. You can disagree with that....we will just see this issue differently. People can certainly arrive at different conclusions on the morality issue. But it’s a no-brainer on the business side. It’s nothing more than a form of quality control over the product being sold for billions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Bash Riprock said: The inconsistency is not in what they "do"....its their applications of what is moral....what consistitutes integrity. You can disagree with that....we will just see this issue differently. NFL and integrity in the same sentence? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DE said: NFL and integrity in the same sentence? 😂 In this context, “integrity” does not relate to moral quality. Perhaps “legitimacy,” would have been a better choice of words. In other words, nothing that will discourage people from gambling because they don’t think the game is on the level. Strictly business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, Bobref said: In this context, “integrity” does not relate to moral quality. Perhaps “legitimacy,” would have been a better choice of words. In other words, nothing that will discourage people from gambling because they don’t think the game is on the level. Strictly business. No. I understand. I’m just saying the NFL has become a complete woke, joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzoron Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I'm surprised anyone on this Forum pays attention to the NFL. A few short years ago, everyone pledged to stop watching. The league definitely seems to take gambling more serious than many other rules violations/crimes. Depending on who is committing the offenses, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Riprock Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 15 hours ago, Bobref said: People can certainly arrive at different conclusions on the morality issue. But it’s a no-brainer on the business side. It’s nothing more than a form of quality control over the product being sold for billions of dollars. No disagreement there. But the application of quality control by the NFL in regards to their business/brand sure has tremendous variability. Thus my comment regarding inconsistency. The NFL chose to get into the gambling game. But when a player participates with one of its sponsors, unrelated to his own team or play, for a very small $$'s, the hammer comes down. I am not sure its a complete no-brainer for the NFL to partner with gambling. I understand the dollars....but with those dollars comes tremendous risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 15 hours ago, Bobref said: It’s nothing more than a form of quality control over the product being sold for billions of dollars. "Be sharp and play hard men, millions of dollars have been wagered on this game." - NFL Head Coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Muda69 said: "Be sharp and play hard men, millions of dollars have been wagered on this game." - NFL Head Coach. The NEW "Win one for the Gipper!" Love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Bash Riprock said: But when a player participates with one of its sponsors, unrelated to his own team or play, for a very small $$'s, the hammer comes down. @Muda69will explain the “slippery slope.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobref Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: "Be sharp and play hard men, millions of dollars have been wagered on this game." - NFL Head Coach. 1 hour ago, DE said: The NEW "Win one for the Gipper!" Love it. At least it’s not going to be “Be sharp and play hard, men … according to how you bet the game.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bobref said: At least it’s not going to be “Be sharp and play hard, men … according to how you bet the game.” Well.....maybe the falcons coach should've said that to calvin. Yes Bob, I am being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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