NLCTigerFan07

Great guy! Got to meet him only a few times, but always a great conversation.

Warsaw doing its part!

Before or after the most recent CONFIRMED enrollment data I provided? If it was before, then your statement does not exactly hold weight as it would seem the gap has shrunk.

I'm not sure if you're being fascious or not... but they go by Lady Kingsmen. Sorry if I missed the sarcasm in your previous response lol

There is? Based on what exactly? According to the 2019-2020 count (which is the last accurate data count we have access to) Jeffersonville had an enrollment of 2,035 while Castle has an enrollment of 1,965. Are 70 students considered a BIG enrollment gap between schools?

Yeah I DOUBT it would be Castle, but just wanted to make the point that those 6 schools were all within 90 students last time.

Imagine this being your arguement against Chesterton 😂 God forbid any team 2A-6A lose to arguably the best pound for pound program in the entire STATE. That "1A" school being Pioneer, a program that has gone 220-20 over the last 20 years with 2 State Championships, 4 Semi-State Championships, 7 Regional Championships, and 11 Sectional Championships during those 20 years. Yeah... to hell with Chesterton! There's no chance for them to become a legitimate threat in 6A North 😂😂😂

That is how it will be in the future - but the IHSAA could not accurately confirm which 32 schools belonged in 6A this year. It is not that hard to grasp. There is no way accurately telling which 2 schools should be moved up because the only accurate data is from previous years, and things have changed since then (with or without COVID). Add in the fluctuating numbers DUE to Covid, the IHSAA thought it best to just keep the same schools in 6A that were in it the last 2 years. It would have been "unfair" to add Zionsville and Valparaiso to 6A this year without knowing for sure their enrollments were in fact bigger than say.... Jeffersonville, FW Northrop, Harrison (WL) or Castle. Those 6 schools during the last enrollment period were all within 90 students of each other. For all we know, any 2 of those 6 schools would be included in "The 32 teams with the biggest enrollment" as you say.

It just makes too much sense.

Yeah I think there were some changes made this morning. Shortridge is no longer listed in 1A like @Bear54 pointed out, and I see Yorktown in Sectional 28 as well. My class count shows changes too so that makes sense there were some moves: 6A: 30 5A: 37 4A: 61 3A: 62 (Yorktown and another addition?) 2A: 63 1A: 62 (Shortridge removed)

Which at first had me scratching my head.... but then after thinking on it a little, it makes sense. They truly cannot move any teams up or down based on previous enrollment because we know that's not accurate for today. And they cannot use this year's enrollment data because as they stated, there were "significant fluctuation likely affected by the pandemic which raised questions about their true representation." So their best option was to just leave everyone where they were and move only those impacted by the Success Factor rule (both promotion and relegation). It was the only way to make it "fair" - which I agree with. However, I hate the 3 team sectionals in 6A and the single 6 team sectional in 5A. I am in BIG TIME agreement with whoever made the post on Page 1 that instead of the 6 team sectional 11, they could have easily moved Michigan City to Sectional 9 (making it a 5 teamer), Concord and Goshen to sectional 10 (making it a 5 teamer) then sectional 11 becomes just a 4 team sectional (all FW schools).

I think I agree with @Indiana Fan here. While sure, fewer games makes the path "easier"... potentially going 21 days in between playing an actual game? It's almost like having camp all over again right before the tournament. Just very interesting to say the least. Glad we will only have to deal with it for 1 season

Yeah as I think about it a little more... I can understand it. How could they pick the correct 2 teams to move up? Obviously you could base it on the old enrollments, but who's to say that is an accurate representation of today? Perhaps Jeffersonville and/or FW Northrop today have more kids than Zionsville and Valparaiso. I doubt it, but that's the point. If you cannot confirm it why "punish" (even though I do not think that is the correct term here) Zionsville and Valparaiso by making them move up to 6A this year if there is no guarantee they are in the top 32?

Color me surprised on 6A and 5A. Number of schools per class: 6A: 30 5A: 37 4A: 61 3A: 60 2A: 63 1A: 63

If I am being honest - this year might be a down year for the Tigers. They lost quite a bit of production on both sides of the ball this year, and defensively last year was not impressive IMO. Not like the defenses they have had in recent years. I would not be surprised if Warsaw goes .500 this year and maybe next year. However this past season, both middle school programs and the freshman team looked really good, so the not so distant future could be bright for the Tigers. *Side note to your rankings - maybe your 6A North line is everyone north of US 24, but I would put Westfield and Lafayette Jeff in that top 5. At the very least both of those programs are higher up than Warsaw and FW Carroll. Westfield would probably be #1 IMO and Jeff/Homestead tied at #5

According to this link and looking at the report Corporation Enrollment by Ethnicity and Free/Reducted Price Meal Status 3,094 Free/Reduced Price Meals out of a Total Enrollment of 6,797. So that would put the percentage around 45.5% I believe.

Yeah I wondered that too. Coach Curtis and Coach Kirschner have been involved in Indiana High School football for a LONG time... perhaps they have a good relationship (I truly have no idea) And I agree with your 3rd and 4th sentence. Do I expect Warsaw to be competitive? I do not believe that can be answered at this time. The kids that will be seniors and juniors in those games will be playing at the two Warsaw middle schools this season and on the Freshman team this upcoming year. But I certainly hope it builds excitement and buy in to the program from those in the community to understand what it will take for their football program to be elevated (and not get completely embarrassed in 2024 and 2025)

For what it's worth - it looks like Warsaw is playing Chesterton in 2022 and 2023. Also, looks like the Michigan City matchup is only guaranteed/agreed upon through 2022 season. So the Tiger's out of conference opponents the next few years are: 2021: Dublin Coffman (OH) and Michigan City 2022: Chesterton and Michigan City 2023: Chesterton and ????? 2024: Warren Central and ????? 2025: Warren Central and ????? That I have not seen confirmed/mentioned at the moment, but it would have to either be week 1 or week 2 due to the fact that the NLC plays all their conference games from week 3 through week 9 during the season.

That was nowhere near the point of my post. But I think it is understandable to see that Warsaw is on an island when it comes to 6A schools. The only other school that is in a similar situation to them would be Lafayette Jeff in my opinion. I was merely pointing out it does take "outside of the box scheduling" to make it work and find schools their size to play, which is exactly what they are doing. Not sure the reason for your hostility here.

And only 4 other 6A programs within an hour (Elkhart, Penn, FW Carroll, Homestead) and 2 of those schools do not have room for out of conference play. The Region schools aren't THAT much further, but with the time difference that adds to issues. I love that the Tigers have looked to Indy.

I will be interested to see who the Tigers will be playing in 2022 and 2023. The Dublin Coffman game is only a 1 time thing. As far as I know, the Michigan City game in week 2 will be continued on for awhile. I think both teams/programs enjoy that matchup and travel well. I wonder if maybe Elkhart in week 1 could be an option those two years, or maybe another team from the Region or Indianapolis area since the Fort Wayne schools are not available for out of conference play. Unfortunately there are quite a bit of established out of conference games week 1 for teams in the Region (Merrillville vs. Andrean, Valpo vs. Penn, Crown Point vs. Lowell, Chesterton vs. Hobart)... I am hoping maybe Warsaw and Elkahrt can start playing a week 1 matchup in the future.

Per the Twitter account for the Voice of the Tigers - Roger Grossman "Breaking news from Warsaw. Warsaw has signed a two-year deal (to) play at Warren Central in 2024 and home vs WC in 2025" Dublin Coffman (OH) this year, and then Warren Central in 2024 and 2025??? Coach Curtis is doing ALL he can to up the level of play/expectations in Warsaw, that's for sure. @DT - Figured you would want to see/weigh in on this!

All I can say as a Tiger fan... WOW

Oh I definitely think we'll see a number of changes for 6A sectionals. This is what I believe will happen: Sectional 1: Crown Point, Lake Central, Merrillville, and then either Hammond Central or Valparaiso Sectional 2: Chesterton, Elkhart, Penn, Portage (no change) Sectional 3: FW Carroll, FW Homestead, Noblesville, Warsaw Sectional 4: Carmel, Lafayette Jeff, Westfield, Zionsville (talk about a GAUNTLET) Sectional 5: Fishers, HSE, Lawrence Central, Lawrence North Sectional 6: Franklin Central, North Central, Tech, Warren Central Sectional 7: Avon, Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Pike Sectional 8: Center Grove, Columbus North, Perry Meridian, Southport

Perhaps they just want to release everything at once? Sectional groupings and class placements? Purely guessing here - but I would agree outside of where Hammond Central will be (were there any other school closings or consolidations?), everyone should pretty much know which class they will be in. The only question are those few schools at the top and bottom end of each class.