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In that same site, they lay out exactly what they are referring to in terms of looking at the historical context ... and it is not the idea that the brakes should be put on until that answer is completely and definitively discovered. Rather than focusing on the stopping point, it might be good to figure where to start ... and some of those are extremely easy. As a matter of fact, if the approach was, "It is acknowledged that there are MANY of these monuments that exist for other-than-historical reasons" as opposed to "You want to erase history," it would provide a starting point. From that same site, where you quoted their stance, note that they actually give a good accounting of the general classification of the statues/monuments and the reasoning behind many of them. Per their own statement, they don't seek to address each and every one, but the first place to start is to recognize the history behind the plethora of these and to be very honest in recognizing that." From their site, https://www.atlantahistorycenter.com/research/confederate-monuments/historical-introduction-confederate-monuments-and-symbolism ... emphasis is mine: When discussing Confederate monuments, it is useful to group them into three general categories. The first category is Phase One monuments, or early funereal monuments erected from the 1860s through the 1880s. Often placed in cemeteries and taking the form of obelisks, arches, or fountains, these monuments were typically intended to commemorate Confederate dead. Usually erected by ladies’ memorial associations, these monuments served as centerpieces for activities, such as Confederate Memorial Day. The profound impact that the Civil War had on the white Southern population must be considered when examining these monuments. At least 20% of all white men of military age in the Confederacy died during the war. Because almost every white family in the South experienced loss, there was a great desire to create mourning spaces. The majority of remaining Confederate monuments are of a different character and purpose. These Phase Two monuments, erected from the 1890s through the 1930s, coincide with the expansion and consolidation of the white supremacist policies of the Jim Crow era. These monuments often feature celebratory images meant to justify the Confederate cause as a moral victory. Put simply: an equestrian statue of a Confederate general in front of a courthouse or capitol building is not about mourning or loss. It is about power and who was in charge. The strategic placement of monuments at public sites was meant as an official and permanent affirmation of the Lost Cause of the Confederacy. Lost Cause mythology promoted the idea that the Confederacy achieved a moral victory in the Civil War. The myth denied the role of slavery as the primary cause of the war and ignored freedom as an achievement of U.S. victory. The Lost Cause myth tries to delete the African American perspective from the historical narrative. It discounts the fact that a significant number of Southerners (if not a majority) were opposed to the ideology and concept of the Confederacy, given the stark reality that nearly 40% of the Southern population was enslaved. A new period of Confederate monuments (which we call Phase Three monuments) followed the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision mandating desegregation in the case Brown vs. Board of Education in 1954. As a show of “massive resistance,” segregationists revived Confederate imagery. For example, the Confederate battle flag was incorporated into the Georgia state flag in 1956, a Confederate battle flag was flown over the state capitol building in South Carolina in 1961, and new monuments were created. These included Stone Mountain, purchased by the state of Georgia in 1958 specifically to create a Confederate monument. Confederate imagery was used as a rallying point for proponents of segregation. Understanding the historical context of Confederate monuments is an important starting point when discussing possible actions taken in response to them. Rather focus on where we stop, it is appropriate to ask, in the 21st century, where do we start? There are plenty of those Phase Two and Phase Three monuments, statues, etc. that are low-hanging fruit for starting points. There may be some of those Phase One statues that also are in that Phase Two/Three majority grouping and there could certainly be a small number of Phase Two/Three statues that fall into more of a "mourning space" category ... although note that the reasoning behind the Phase Two/Three categorizing is less about when they came into being and WHY they came into being in those periods. There are even some that may well be classified Phase One that really became Phase Two because of movement to intimidate or from mourning space to power space. It's just like doing spring cleaning. Very few people ask "When are we going to stop cleaning?" They instead start with the stuff that is broken, not wanted, obviously a bad choice when purchased, no longer necessary. Are there some things that give us problems during spring cleaning that can't be easily categorized? Certainly, and I'll give a direct example of that from my own house. I have five kids ... the youngest kid is 9 and my oldest turns 22 in a week. We still have the baby bed in our garage that every one of them slept in as a baby. My wife just cannot part with it at this point. It can't be donated due to safety issues and it isn't something that we would feel comfortable giving to a neighbor/relative/friend because the safety component can't be guaranteed. With that said, it no longer has a place in the main house as its usefulness is no longer there; however, my wife is still emotionally attached to it, so it resides in the garage for the time being. As a compromise with me ... I'm not attached to it and it's just taking up room in the garage ... my wife has looked at perhaps having her dad, who is a wood worker, converting it into something like a light stand or plant stand or something else. With that said, there are also plenty of other things that we've had from the kids that have been donated, given away, sold, thrown way, etc. If we stopped to ask the question, where does the spring cleaning end or had gotten hung up on that one baby bed, we would have never progressed forward. Ultimately it's about acknowledgement that there is a major issue there and starting to do something about. Doesn't have to be all or none, but the more that the idea persists to stonewall the issue, no pun intended, the more the response on the other side gets pushed toward all-or-none and more extreme expected response. There then becomes little likelihood that it either gets worse or ends in a result that seems damn near draconian in nature.

I think that's against the law in some states. 😀

Texas is an unlikely Blue although it is dangerously far from where it was in 2016 for the GOP. Yes, the two recent polls that just came out show it dead even in the PPP poll and Trump by 1 in the Quinnipiac poll, but Texas is part of the GOP red wall ... for now ... although it's a long cry from its 10-point stature in 2016. If, however, you are right that Texas goes Blue, again, I think it's a very long shot at best, then the Democrat EVs will not just nest around 282 ... it would be around 375+. If Texas goes Blue, there's no way that Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida, along with possibly OH at a minimum don't also go that way. I think you are correct in holding the states that Clinton won. At one point, there was talk about the GOP peeling off NH, but that seems to have gone by the wayside. There will several states that have to be defended as well as reclaimed for Trump. It was already foregone that Michigan and Pennsylvania were already in the "need to be reclaimed" area and they were going to be money states anyway given the thin margins in 2016. Wisconsin was less of where the GOP focus was going to be, but it now has to be there based on what's happening with AZ. There's going to have to be money spent in AZ to not only reclaim a presidential state, but to try to hold that Senate seat ... which is looking lost at this point. Georgia's going to also be another one with lots of money poured in based on the two Senate seats that are up this time around and Trump and Biden splitting the polls since April 4-2 in favor of Trump, but never more than by 2 compared to a 5-point margin in 2016 with a well-seated Isakson running for re-election ... and also before the funny business with the governor's election.

https://www.atlantahistorycenter.com/research/confederate-monuments

Here's a video that I came across a bit ago that talks about US politics against world politics as well as a focus specifically on US politics. Definitely worth a look for perspective.

And keep the knuckleheads out of the stations. Sometimes those watering stations look like a public fountain the way that kids get when they get around water. 😀 That 20 oz. will get him from the locker-room to the field if he's lucky. I'm always amazed at how much folks underestimate just how much liquid is necessary to sustain a body; especially under exertion in heat. Even with younger kids, I'm constantly having to force kids to take advantage of the water breaks when they keep saying, "But I'm not thirsty." You don't get too many balking at the high school level, but I always tell kids when they are getting water, "Just before you leave the station, always take another three or four mouthfuls to be sure."

I would expect that anywhere where someone could come in contact with the water would be considered communal such as water fountains, water stations that share a common/reusable spigot, and even the old standby hose. @Bobref or some of the others that deal in the "legalese" of the IHSAA and the local government might be better in a position to clarify, but the way it seems is that they must have water available AND it can't be from somewhere where there will be player contact with said source ... which would likely rule out refilling. It almost sounds like bottled water has to be provided. I would expect that, to cut some costs associated with something like that since bottled water would impose an additional cost beyond the usual communal watering stations, schools will says "bring your own water," but will also have stores of bottled water that they can work from if students need more, run out, forget to bring it, etc.

Has probably everything it needs/wants in the Hoosier Conference. Good mix of classes, good mix of offenses and defenses they face, good mix of competitiveness in the different classes, a good cross-river rivalry, etc.

All links had text referring to wearing of masks and/or social distancing and are accounted for below. As for 4-5 days, only 2 of the 14 links appeared 4-5 days after the initial protests started. Both of those are tied to the FoxNews/AP entry ... with the initial FoxNews link being 4 days and the Al Araybia link being 5 days. 12 of 14 were less than 4 days. Also note that some are listed at 2 or 3 days after the initial protests began even though the article is referencing an event from the day before the article. Nonetheless, the days listed are from the date of the first protests in Minnesota, May 26 so the number of days stated below are overstated in some cases and are actually less from the event that they reference. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-urges-protesters-to-wear-masks-and-practice-social-distancing 3 days - “The City encourages everyone to exercise caution to stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19,” Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey’s office wrote in a statement addressed to individuals who took to the streets following the death of George Floyd while in police custody. “The City has made hundreds of masks available to protesters this week.” https://www.minnpost.com/health/2020/05/the-daily-coronavirus-update-33-more-deaths-walz-shocked-and-horrified-by-footage-of-george-floyd-arrest/ 1 day - Gov. Tim Walz and other state officials applauded people who wore masks and did their best to socially distance at a gathering in Minneapolis on Tuesday to protest the killing of George Floyd. Floyd died shortly after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for several minutes while Floyd yelled that he could not breathe. More than a thousand people showed up to the protest in south Minneapolis on Tuesday. Most were wearing masks, according to news reports. Police cleared the crowd late in the evening by firing tear gas and other projectiles after some protesters smashed windows of police cars and the Third Precinct building. The police response drew criticism, including from members of the Minneapolis City Council, though Mayor Jacob Frey later defended the police because he said the cars and the precinct had guns in them. https://www.insider.com/protesters-minneapolis-george-floyd-mitigate-threat-covid-19-2020-5 3 days - Protesters told us why they decided to show up despite the pandemic and how they tried to mitigate the risk of COVID-19. Many protesters wore face masks during the unrest, but large swaths packed together in the turmoil near the police precinct closest to where Floyd died — the Third Precinct that protesters set fire to later in the night. Various organizations and individuals organized to mitigate the threat of coronavirus. A church just blocks from the epicenter of the disruption was repurposed as a triage center for injured demonstrators and distributed hand sanitizer and masks. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/29/metro/what-do-we-want-justice-hundreds-chant-south-end-park-support-george-floyd/ 3 days - The protest on Washington Street was one of the first large public gatherings since the COVID-19 public health emergency was declared in Massachusetts in March. Wearing colorful masks, surgical masks, and bandanas tied around their faces, people rallied to mourn and rage, even while distancing as much as they could. https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/28/protest-of-minneapolis-mans-death-blocks-memphis-street 2 days - But Mayor Jim Strickland said he wishes more people would have observed coronavirus-related social distancing at a demonstration at a police precinct. “I wish last night’s protesters would have all had on masks, been six feet apart, and gone through the proper channels to ensure everyone’s safety,” Strickland said in a statement Thursday. “By not doing so, protesters and our officers were unnecessarily put at risk. Some protesters did not wear face coverings while standing close to each other, violating guidelines put in place by an order governing the city's response to the new coronavirus outbreak. https://abc7.com/black-lives-matter-george-floyd-dtla-protest-downtown-la/6215968/ 2 days - At the start of the protest, the crowds were packed tightly together, with few people observing physical distancing. The use of masks appeared to be inconsistent. https://www.fox23.com/news/us-cities-fear/HEG6POGPRVOQI7F7HZJSP4MZBA/ 4 days - The massive protests sweeping across U.S. cities following the police killing of a black man in Minnesota have sent shudders through the health community and elevated fears that the huge crowds will lead to a new surge in cases of the coronavirus. Some leaders appealing for calm in places where crowds smashed storefronts and destroyed police cars in recent nights have been handing out masks and warning demonstrators they were putting themselves at risk. “If you were out protesting last night, you probably need to go get a COVID test this week,” Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said Saturday evening. “There is still a pandemic in America that’s killing black and brown people at higher numbers.” Minnesota’s governor said too many protesters weren’t socially distancing or wearing masks after heeding the call earlier in the week. But many seemed undeterred. “It’s not OK that in the middle of a pandemic we have to be out here risking our lives,” Spence Ingram said Friday after marching with other protesters to the state Capitol in Atlanta. “But I have to protest for my life and fight for my life all the time.” Ingram, 25, who was wearing a mask, said she has asthma and was worried about contracting the virus. But she said as a black woman, she always felt that her life was under threat from police and she needed to protest that. https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/protesters-torch-minneapolis-police-station-in-violent-night-1.4958121 2 days - Erika Atson, 20, was among thousands of people who gathered outside government offices in downtown Minneapolis, where organizers had called for a peaceful protest. Many protesters wore masks because of the coronavirus pandemic, but there were few attempts at social distancing. In New York City, protesters defied New York's coronavirus prohibition on public gatherings Thursday, clashing with police, while demonstrators blocked traffic in downtown Denver and downtown Columbus. https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2020/05/28/activists-and-community-organizers-demand-release-jailed-protesters/5274679002/ 2 days - The protest, which lasted for hours, came at a time when groups of more than 50 are forbidden in Memphis and Shelby County unless there's a clear social distancing plan. The group also expressed concern about Strickland’s criticism of protesters for forgoing social distancing guidelines and placing themselves and the police at risk of COVID-19. Akinmoladun, one of the organizers, said the demonstration started with observation of social distancing guidelines. What started out as a spaced-out, silent protest turned into a crowd as tensions flared between protesters and counter-protesters as well as police. https://kslnewsradio.com/1926173/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/ 3 days - Erika Atson, 20, was among thousands of people who gathered outside government offices in downtown Minneapolis, where organizers had called for a peaceful protest. Many protesters wore masks because of the coronavirus pandemic, but there were few attempts at social distancing. https://english.alarabiya.net/en/coronavirus/2020/05/31/US-cities-fear-protests-over-police-killing-of-Floyd-may-fuel-new-wave-of-coronavirus 5 days, but is an overseas republishing of an article that appeared 4 days after on FoxNews - The massive protests sweeping across US cities following the police killing of a black man in Minnesota have sent shudders through the health community and elevated fears that the huge crowds will lead to a new surge in cases of the coronavirus. Some leaders appealing for calm in places where crowds smashed storefronts and destroyed police cars in recent nights have been handing out masks and warning demonstrators they were putting themselves at risk. Visit our dedicated coronavirus site here for all the latest updates. Minnesota’s governor said Saturday that too many protesters weren’t socially distancing or wearing masks after heeding the call earlier in the week. https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation-world/violent-protests-over-floyd-death-spread-beyond-minneapolis 2 days - Erika Atson, 20, was among thousands of people who gathered outside government offices in downtown Minneapolis, where organizers had called a peaceful protest. Many protesters wore masks because of the coronavirus pandemic, but there were few attempts at social distancing. https://abc13.com/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/6218926/ 3 days, but a republish of an article that appeared 2 days after protests started - Erika Atson, 20, was among thousands of people who gathered outside government offices in downtown Minneapolis, where organizers had called for a peaceful protest. Many protesters wore masks because of the coronavirus pandemic, but there were few attempts at social distancing. https://www.dotnews.com/2020/protesters-decry-floyd-killing-racial-violence-peabody-square 3 days - All participants in the standout appear to have worn face masks and made efforts to maintain social distancing guidelines during the protest.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/outrageous-christian-leaders-reject-trump-use-of-church-as-prop-during-george-floyd-protests FTA: The Right Rev Mariann Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington, told the Washington Post: “I am the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and was not given even a courtesy call, that they would be clearing [the area] with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop.” Trump’s message is at odds with the values of love and tolerance espoused by the church, Budde said, before describing the president’s visit as an opportunity to use the church, and a Bible, as a “backdrop”. “Let me be clear, the President just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese, without permission, as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus,” she told CNN. “We align ourselves with those seeking justice for the death of George Floyd and countless others. And I just can’t believe what my eyes have seen,” she added. “I don’t want President Trump speaking for St John’s. We so dissociate ourselves from the messages of this president,” she told the Washington Post. “We hold the teachings of our sacred texts to be so, so grounding to our lives and everything we do, and it is about love of neighbor and sacrificial love and justice.” Other religious leaders echoed her comments. Presiding Bishop Michael Curry, Primate of the Episcopal church, accused the president of using the church and Bible for “partisan political purposes”.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-urges-protesters-to-wear-masks-and-practice-social-distancing https://www.minnpost.com/health/2020/05/the-daily-coronavirus-update-33-more-deaths-walz-shocked-and-horrified-by-footage-of-george-floyd-arrest/ https://www.insider.com/protesters-minneapolis-george-floyd-mitigate-threat-covid-19-2020-5 https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/29/metro/what-do-we-want-justice-hundreds-chant-south-end-park-support-george-floyd/ https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/28/protest-of-minneapolis-mans-death-blocks-memphis-street https://abc7.com/black-lives-matter-george-floyd-dtla-protest-downtown-la/6215968/ https://www.fox23.com/news/us-cities-fear/HEG6POGPRVOQI7F7HZJSP4MZBA/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/protesters-torch-minneapolis-police-station-in-violent-night-1.4958121 https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2020/05/28/activists-and-community-organizers-demand-release-jailed-protesters/5274679002/ https://kslnewsradio.com/1926173/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/ https://english.alarabiya.net/en/coronavirus/2020/05/31/US-cities-fear-protests-over-police-killing-of-Floyd-may-fuel-new-wave-of-coronavirus https://foxbaltimore.com/news/nation-world/violent-protests-over-floyd-death-spread-beyond-minneapolis https://abc13.com/minneapolis-police-station-torched-amid-george-floyd-protest/6218926/ https://www.dotnews.com/2020/protesters-decry-floyd-killing-racial-violence-peabody-square

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/health/protests-coronavirus.html FTA: Mass protests against police brutality that have brought thousands of people out of their homes and onto the streets in cities across America are raising the specter of new coronavirus outbreaks, prompting political leaders, physicians and public health experts to warn that the crowds could cause a surge in cases. While many political leaders affirmed the right of protesters to express themselves, they urged the demonstrators to wear face masks and maintain social distancing, both to protect themselves and to prevent further community spread of the virus.

Did Goodin take a HC position somewhere?

West Lafayette is poised to repeat in the West and I doubt there's anything that would hint otherwise until someone makes it different on the field or unless a sinkhole opens up under the school on the first day of classes. They are just too loaded and focused. LCC should have a good season and should be a contender again in 1A North at least through regionals, but West Lafayette just has the numbers and momentum right now. In the East, based on last year, I'd say Cass, but I wouldn't count out Western. I had heard, and @Sports Fan maybe you can clarify or give some details, that Cass may have lost a substantial level of talent to graduation this year. If so, that might give Western an inside track.

He played for Battleground when he was young. The kids he played with then played for Harrison.

Read an article the other day that was hinting directly at this. It said that it's usually a good idea, provided that you have strong trust in your doctor, to follow their lead both in word and deed. They also said that you have to sometimes temper the potential influence of pharma. Great example they used was, if your eye doctor is recommending laser eye surgery for you, but wears glasses, that might be a really good time to ask additional questions and to ask why what's being prescribed is what's being adhered to by the doctor. BTW, the question was raised in the article, what if you have a dishonest doctor or you don't trust your doctor. The answer was pretty straight-forward ... we should spend a lot more time checking out our doctors and making sure that there's a strong trust relationship there BEFORE it ever gets to this point.

There are a few differences that make this less likely of a direct tie-in. Universities that are potentially planning to return to the campus, like Purdue, at the start of the fall are also wrestling with many different items that high schools and elementary schools won't have the ability to do. For example, one discussion that happened in a meeting that I was in on was a discussion of possibly expanding the class offering to be able to split class sizes given room constraints. They discussed that might include adding sections to night schedules and possibly even Saturdays. I suspect that most high schools/elementary schools won't have that option. Also, a big part of the concern that I've heard expressed is how do you protect more vulnerable populations from less populations when both are needed to do face-to-face classes. In a university setting, some of that is already the nature of the beast. If a faculty member teaches two courses in a week for 3 credits each, then an older faculty member has a maximum of six weekly contact hours from classroom instruction for exposure. If you are a high school teacher that teaches five courses a day for an hour per class, you have 25 hours of direct weekly exposure. Even if you cut classes in half, the high school teacher has a minimum of twice the potential exposure of a university faculty member. While universities and high schools are both in the education field, the logistics and situations have a large enough number of differences that make it less of a likelihood that if one does it others will follow.

Not an exact match, but wouldn't this be somewhat akin to saying "I don't stop at stop signs because I'm trying to increase my driving skills?"

It's not about keeping the virus from getting in, it's to keep folks from treating the themselves as an aerosol can in spreading it. From @Bobref's post ... A cloth mask alone is unlikely to prevent you from inhaling microscopic virus particles, according to Rodney Rohde, PhD, chair of the Clinical Laboratory Science Program and associate dean for research at the College of Health Professions at Texas State University. “The coronavirus will go right through cloth and bandanas… but it will provide a bit of respiratory protection, which can reduce depositing of droplets of the virus on surfaces and to people near you,” Rohde told Healthline.

We just got word that our boys' travel baseball program has OK'd a start to return to practices for May 24 and games could commence in mid-June ... of course, still pending developments of a re-opening economy. One roadblock though is that the county schools are still on lockdown until June 30, so the teams can't use those facilities until then ... will have to look for other places to practice.

Who are three guys that have never been in my kitchen?

Oh, OK.

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Right now in Texas - Galena Park North Shore ... last 10 years, probably Allen.

That would raise more questions than it answers and would pose a potentially scarier scenario than we are in right now. Let's assume that it's been in the US since December and that the first two deaths didn't show up until March. That would suggest outside of it actually arriving in any real force in the US until later on 1) either an extremely long incubation period or 2) quick mutation. In the first case, that seems unlikely given what we know now. That potentially leaves the second scenario, which fits in with your position that this is actually a second wave that we are seeing. That would be extremely scary depending on how you look at it. If it's been here since December and we are just seeing the numbers now that we're seeing, then for all of our science, etc. we did a p*ss poor job seeing something like this coming and blunting it. And frankly, it doesn't matter whether the Chinese gave advanced notice or not ... no one gives advanced notice in a championship game that they are going to run a trick play ... if you are good, then you are ready for it. On the other hand, let's assume that it was here in December and this, 70,000+ in two months over two months after its appearance, is a "second wave." Why didn't produce similar numbers in January/February that it did in late-March/April ... especially in a city like New York City? The argument could likely be, it was here, but in a different form ... and that would be the scary part ... that something like this mutated in just 2-3 months. If this thing mutated that quickly and dangerously, which I don't believe is the case although the fact that it will mutate is likely, then this thing will have more than just two waves and the next one could possibly morph toward attacking a more resistant group to its original form ... and that would also explain where this "phenomena" has been for the last 5 months. Like you said, no one knows. And, until we start getting better at knowing, I think dismissing or perhaps downplaying things that are showing up in a time of not knowing is riskier than being prepared to deal with it in case it isn't able to be dismissed. At this point, not dismissing it and looking at it provides less risk than dismissing it. The impact on kids may be nothing and, like I said in my previous post, I honestly hope that you are correct. If those kids in the UK and NY are the canary in the coalmine, just like those two folks in late-February/early-March were, it provides for a much scarier scenario.