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5 minutes ago, Temptation said:

Culture is important but PLAYERS and the right atmosphere/environment matters.

Look at Noblesville.  More specifically, look at Noblesville’s SES profile compared to the teams they face in their conference/county.

Its been a burial ground for great coaches.  Schieb could not win there after a successful run at FC.  Rosen could not win there after a successful run at East Central.  Your boy Jason Simmons seems to be finding his way at BD, but couldn’t win at Noblesville.  They all had (have in Simmons’ case) built a culture and had great leadership elsewhere so why didn’t things work out at Noblesville?

I've not talked in depth about it with Coach Simmons. 

https://www.indystar.com/get-access/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indystar.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fhigh-school%2F2019%2F12%2F03%2Ffishers-high-school-football-coach-rick-wimmer-resigns-after-14-seasons-indiana-ihsaa-greenwood%2F2593548001%2F

Hats off to Coach Wimmer. Built that Fishers program from scratch.

Just now, Temptation said:

How many years of “building” until they are a legitimate threat to BD for the sectional assuming the alignment remained the same?

I won't lie. Several, but could Perry be a competitive team in the Mid-State? Could Tech win the NCC? Sure. If we're setting the level at elite status...well...you're right.

Just now, Temptation said:

No doubt and while I agree, you can only do so much with the hand you are dealt.

Ill go ahead and ask it as I do not fear offending folks.  Drop Kyle Ralph or Eric Moore in at Perry Meridian or Arsenal Tech tomorrow; how’s that working out?

Well, Kevin Wright took a serious look at Tech supposedly once upon a time. I believe that's when Dr. White was going to make Tech the only football program in IPS if I remember correctly. I think Coach Moore would win any where he goes. It might take him a while. The kids would gravitate to him. Perry hasn't always been a doormat. While that program has struggled in recent history, Craig Barr had some good years, and the program had some very solid seasons in the 1970's and 80's under Steve Purichia and others. 

We're kind of seeing what happens when a great coach goes in there on the basketball side. Mark James took BD's boys basketball program and turned them from bad to mediocre into state champs in six years. Perry is moving in a positive direction right now with him down there. 

To answer your question, I think they would struggle early, but I think they also know how to build programs...especially in Moore's case.

Hire makes perfect sense. Hopefully he can have the kind of success that his father had there with the Wildkats!

He has no reason to leave unless it's for a college opportunity. The grass isn't always greener on that side of the fence, though. 

BD has the two I always wanted to see get on the schedule with Avon and Brownsburg. I miss the old Westside rivalry with Decatur Central, but that's probably done.

I'll go with St. Xavier because I don't think BD gave a very good account of itself in Cincinnati the last time around and Penn because I miss that old BD/Penn rivalry game.

2 hours ago, Bears62 said:

Speaking on next year, I would love to see some of the Lafayette schools play bigger opponents. West Lafayette vs a lower tier HCC school like Franklin Central or Noblesville would be a good matchup. Lafayette Jeff vs a “rebuilding” (using that term cautiously) New Pal would be very interesting. WL Harrison vs a school like Gibson Southern or Brebeuf would be a great challenge for them.

If Jeff has a week 2 opening, so does Carmel.

1) Supportive administration and community

2) Strong work ethic

3) Big toolkit in dealing with a wide variety of young people

4) Holding everyone in the program accountable

5) Excellent reflection and innovation skills

41 minutes ago, TrojanDad said:

leadership and culture go a long way.

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34 minutes ago, DT said:

Basketball games are easy to schedule. 

 

 

 

BD still has a game open. Anyone want to play them? Contact John Clark.

DT...always stirring.

2 hours ago, DT said:

Interesting.  Thanks for the explanation

Great time for a fresh start for the Larry schools

Would they be welcomed into the Circle City? 

Chatard

Guerin

Roncalli

Brebeuf

Southport

Larry C

Larry N

Indy Tech

 

I like it 

LOL 

2 minutes ago, US31 said:

I think everyone really agrees there is no easy answer because that is the problem.  You have a very small number of schools that are MUCH larger than everyone else.  You could argue its really a SUPER 2 (Carmel - 5300, BD 4500), The NEXT 2 (WC - 3800, NC 3700), and then from Fishers on down everyone is withing about 100 kids of the next school.  I think in a perfect world you would never classify schools together if one is twice the size of another but its hard to draw that line in Indiana unless you just put BD and Carmel in their own class.  Those 2 are the real outliers, and I don't have an answer for it.  

If you feel its unfair for 2055 Zville to be in the same classification as 5300 Carmel...you're probably right.

If you feel that other factors (outside of enrollment) contribute to success...you're probably right.

If you feel there isn't a workable solution when its really 2 (or 3...or 4) schools that are the real outliers....you're probably right.

 

Here's what we should do. We should divide the number of schools into 16 classes in 6A and award 16 different trophies. BD/Carmel would play a single playoff game. Winner gets a trophy and so on.

Just now, DannEllenwood said:

Historians (and History teachers) are some great people.  😉

I'm just a dumb radio guy who meddles with history. Jim Pich is the man. 

25 minutes ago, US31 said:

Winning half your sectionals isn't being dominant....(honest question)?  Keep in mind on a few occasions they were in the same sectional as WC.  I'd bet many of the other losses were to Avon or Pike...both schools over 3000.

2005-Decatur

2006-Won Sectional

2007-Pike

2008-Won Sectional

2009-Avon

2010-Pike

2011-Won Sectional

2012-Pike

2013-Pike

2014-Won Sectional

2015-Avon

2016-Won Sectional

2017-Won Sectional

2018-Warren

2019-Won Sectional

People define decades differently, but Ben Davis Football finished the 2010-2019 period at 84-35 with 3 MIC, 5 Sectional, 4 Regional, 2 Semi-State, and 2 State Championships. Historically, this decade trails the 90's (115) and the 00's (97) in wins. It's third as well in winning percentage behind the 90's (.885) and the 00's (.752). Since 1980, the Giants are 352-124 (.739). Program wise, the Giants are 499-367-12 (.576). Next win will put BD at 500.

Thank you to Jim Pich for helping me get to these numbers. By the way, this win total includes a 1997 forfeit win over North Central (that John Harrell doesn't recognize).

3 hours ago, HoosierFB_JG said:

especially if they don’t have a license because their parents don’t want to drive them.

Transportation has been a growing issue over the last few years. When I was 16, I couldn't wait to get out on the road. That's not the case anymore.

15 hours ago, DT said:

 

I opined that Carmel and CG should consider a move to The HCC for financial-gate reasons.  I dont like the lack of reciprocity we see in the MIC relative to travel and school support.

 

 

 

 

Carmel didn't travel to Ben Davis this year.

36 minutes ago, DT said:

Bet those EC Central games were fun.

 

 

I was in college at that time, but it was a long drive I'm sure.

18 hours ago, cg_holmeaid said:

On a separate note, does anybody know about the “controversy” of the semi-state between CG and BD? I’ve seen stuff on Twitter from some BD guys saying that they should’ve been in the state game. Gipson (BD QB) tweeted at a CG student account saying that everybody besides CG knew what happened. They were saying that they were getting cheated, so I was curious to see if this is made up or not.

BD still had its chances. Ultimately CG made the plays and won. Not a knock on Trent. He had a great year...as did the Giants. Proud of them. It was an emotional end to the year.

On 11/29/2019 at 7:37 PM, HoosierFB_JG said:

Dude, it’s on the main part of Wikipedia.  I don’t need to make anything up.  I was an employee in a MIC school when the conference was formed and part of an oversight committee to determine if this was the right fit.

I literally interviewed Bob Britt who made some of the initial calls. BD and the other independents were having trouble filling football schedules. That started the MIC.

4 hours ago, Temptation said:

Since it’s officially off-topic season I thought I’d generate some discussion.  I see this topic tossed about frequently at the collegiate level so I figured I’d pose it to the board.

Say you are a young grad with coaching experience and opportunity comes knocking.

What FIVE coaching gigs in Indiana would most excite you were the phone to ring?  If you are looking to build/maintain a powerhouse program that competes for state titles immediately/annually.

Furthermore, what job/job(s) out there that might not appear in the above category immediately would qualify as a “sleeping giants” and excite you most over the next 5-10 years?

Why?

Have at it.

I mean, I think three are obvious. BD, Carmel, and Warren. Coach Moore has made Center Grove a great job. I think LCC, Cathedral and Chatard would be a tie for 5.

Sleeping Giants:

I think you've all hit the big ones. I'd watch out for Pike.

My plan would be to look at the eight Sectionals and see if there isn't a better way to geographically make them work. Maybe East/West for semi-states rather than north/south. Sectionals 1, 3, 5, 6 West and 2, 4, 7, and 8 East?

Also seeding the Sectional to get the Avon/Brownsburg/Carmel alignment out of the same Sectional, for example.

Congratulations to the Greyhounds! A worthy 6A Champion. Great year for the Trojans. Watch out for CG in 2020.

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