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1 minute ago, XStar said:

They very well might run through 2A next year with no problem.  BUT, I wouldn't be THAT confident with the defense they've shown this year.  If they improve there, they could.  But Western Boone ran all over them today with a line of underclassmen and that isn't the first time in the tournament their defense was exposed.

2021 will be a good year for Luers fans............quote me on it. They won't run the table in the SAC, but 2a is theirs for the taking. 

1 minute ago, Staxawax said:

Sorry.😞

Lol, no problem. Good catch on my part, good catch on your part. 

2 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Yes.

Good catch. Webo will be in 3A next year.

Thanks. And thanks for showing everyone my quote before I corrected it. 

6 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Then you haven't seen enough of my posts.

If you're talking about this specific play, I don't think the DPI call could be called unreasonable by anyone. Some might not have called it. But no one can really say it was unreasonable to call it. As for the receiver stepping out, I have no idea.

Perhaps the reason I agree so often with the call on the field is that they usually get it right. But I have not hesitated to call out officiating errors on this forum where warranted. I won't hesitate to do that. I just don't see an error here.

In this case, I believe the right call was made. Luers fans are reeling right now. I don't blame them. The Knights played a great game, forced some turnovers, but blew a two score lead with less than 2 minutes remaining. 

Luers fans...........there is light at the end of the tunnel. No one will touch you guys next year. Ring it up now. 

4 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Compliment? I don’t think Webo being called an Indy area school is a compliment. But your opinion.

Why wouldn't it be a compliment? They are a state champion from the Indianapolis Metropolitan Area. 

3 minutes ago, Bobref said:

What bias? I said I didn't see that part of the play. I'm not saying what should have happened. I'm just telling you what the rules say. Or are you not interested in that?

I think he's referring to the fact that you stand up for the play called on the field 100% of the time. Clearly you have a good grip on the game and I respect your contributions on here. But I'm not sure I've ever seen you disagree with a call that was questioned on this forum. 

3 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

Webo is a 100% rural school. Not Indy nor a doughnut county.

It looks "Indy area" to me looking at it on the map. Anyway, I thought it was a nice compliment. Just take it. 

I'll never understand why a coaching staff elects to play conservative at the end when playing conservative isn't what got them all their points in the first place. In the end, it was the conservative play calling when Luers last had the ball and the numerous penalties on the Knights in the 4th quarter.............none bigger than the penalty on the fair catch. 

Anyway, congrats to Indy area teams. Possibly the first of six champions crowned from the area.

On another note. Don't feel sorry for Luers. They will steamroll 2a next year. No one will stop them. 

7 minutes ago, temptation said:

I have always been intrigued by this and it would actually work at the 6A level because of the lack of sourhwest Indiana teams.  
 

At the five levels below, it would never fly.  A 5A semi-state between Michigan City and Castle would be asinine.  Countless other examples.

I would be on board with it. East vs West looks pretty balanced. Only three times in the last sixteen years has the north produced a team that could rumble with Indy's best from within a touchdown. Both Snider and Penn in 2015. Snider in 2004. One could also argue Valpo and Dwenger in 2019, but that was 5a. 

East vs West

Zionsville moves up, Snider moves down. 

East: Warren Central, Noblesville, Fishers, Hamilton Southeastern, Homestead, Carroll, Lawrence North, North Central, Columbus East, Columbus North, Warsaw, Carmel, Westfield, Lawrence Central, Franklin Central, Indy Tech

West: Ben Davis, Brownsburg, Zionsville, Center Grove, Lafayette Jeff, Avon, Pike, Chesterton, Portage, Crown Point, Lake Central, Southport, Perry Meridian, Penn, Elkhart, Merrillville

3 hours ago, temptation said:

Side argument (sure to get folks fired up):  IU hasn't been a "basketball school" in over 25 years...

I was just about to agree with you on that...............kinda funny actually. But Gipper made a good point. It's still a baskeball school for sure, just not much tournament success to show for it. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Good point.  I mean one thing the B10 does consistently do is pay its coaches competitively.  Allen is top 40 in America in salary, but that is only good for 9th in the Big Ten.  Having some roots in FL, maybe Allen goes after the Miami job if Diaz doesn't work out?  Would be a lateral step financially, but a massive upgrade in potential talent/ability to compete annually.

Side topic (maybe deserving of a separate thread), did Lincoln Riley miss his shot last year?  I know the Cowboys gig is a train wreck right now but has some of the shine worn off?

If so, Allen better look at all offers this offseason.  The Hoosiers have a young stud in Pennix but don't have the classes coming in behind him to make 2020 much more than an anamoly.

I thought IU had a recent class that was ranked in the Top 25.

The one thing I always appreciated about Michigan was their above average standard for student athletes. Not on par with Notre Dame, Stanford, and Northwestern, but not far off either. 

I must be out of the loop. Tom Allen is already making 4 million. Can a program like Indiana afford anymore? Allen is Indiana though and through. I'm not sure he would take a higher paying position elsewhere. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.............lesson learned from the Rich Rod debacle. 

2 hours ago, Gipper said:

And a policeman in San Juan and a female journalist may have an opinion.

Then there’s Kent Harvey, but I digress....

The San Juan instant was actually pretty funny.

26 minutes ago, Gipper said:

Although I was only half-joking, that statement will transcend time and won’t be going anywhere as Glenn Edward Schembechler was a respected man.   Even Woods Hayes was going to speak at an event right before his death.  I know I’m probably going to catch a lot of hell for this, but he’ll be remembered more positively than Bobby Knight.

Some will remember him for his temper an tirades. Others will remember him for his multiple championships, graduating his players, and playing by the rules. 

1 minute ago, temptation said:

Well stated.  Michigan is not Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State but they are also not Nebraska or Tennessee.

If you try to re-tool and rebuild your coaching staff every 5-6 years, you dig yourself an even deeper hole to relevancy.

There are many once proud programs that ignore this fact.

IU struggled mightily with that from the time the fired Mallory until they settled on Allen. 

Play the #3 team on the road to the final seconds and drop 3 in the rankings? I give up. 

For whatever reason, the AP, Coaches, and the Committee will forever remember the 2019 Notre Dame team for how they performed on the road during a hurricane.............bless their little hearts, I guess they just don't understand things. 

So what if they took Georgia to the wire on the road. Who cares if they dominated what was suppose to be a good Virginia team. The 52-10 pasting of #20 Navy? Who cares. And then the complete and absolute demolition of what was suppose to be a VERY good Iowa State team. You know, the team that came with one of Iowa, two of Baylor, and one of Oklahoma? Yep, that's right. Notre Dame waxed them 33-9 in an absolute blowout. Good enough for the Top 10? Guess not. Like I said.........bless the pollsters little hearts, much learning to do. 

Kudos to Michigan, they get bragging rights over the Irish in head to head competition until they play again. And give Michigan a pass for Covid in my opinion. This is just a strange year and the Wolverines are fighting injuries and player defections. And as much as I hate to say it, give Harbaugh a pass too. By this time in his career at Michigan, he should have done more by now. But, I still think there could be light at the end of the tunnel if he completes a total evaluation of his team like Kelly did after the 4-8 season. 

Just now, temptation said:

Just using the data available.  I’ll tell SAC fans the same thing I tell HCC fans:  No one will take you seriously as a conference until you start winning your fair share against the others.  The HCC’s measuring stick is the MIC.  The SAC (big school’s) is the HCC under the current tournament format.

Agree. Hard to argue that. 

1 hour ago, temptation said:

The “SAC’s best” struggled with the bottom of the HCC in 2019 and was beaten by the HCC two consecutive postseasons now.  It’s a trend.

The gap from the HCC to the SAC may actually be bigger than the gap from the MIC to the HCC.

You enjoy bringing up the Homestead/Noblesville game in 2019. Homestead was bored to tears that game. In the players mind, they were traveling two hours to play a "nobody", and it showed in their performance. They were mentally unprepared for what Noblesville brought to the table. They came back the next week and outplayed Carmel for a half without their best player. Carmel's depth was too much to overcome in the end. 

I agree, there is a gap between the SAC and the HCC, I'm just not sure how big it is. This isn't the 90's anymore. Yes, there was a time that the SAC would have cleaned the HCC's clock. But present day, the HCC lays solid claim as the states second best conference. 

Glad to see ya back Temp. 

I watched the Westfield/Homestead game. I was impressed with the Shamrocks. Make no mistake, Homestead has a pretty good team and the game wasn't close. And what they did to Merrillville Friday night was equally impressive. Good luck to them against CG.........I think it will be a good game. 

7 minutes ago, dmizers3 said:

 I wouldn't call Zionsville beating Dwenger an upset.  That was probably a pick em game.  But absolutely no way, unless Cathedral took the night off would Dwenger stay within 2 TDs of the Irish.  Neither will Zionsville. 

Respectfully disagree. The HCC's 5th best team beating the SAC's best was definitely an upset. Dwenger traveled two hours and Zionsville played catchup the entire game despite several Dwenger turnovers. Cathedral beating Dwenger by two touchdowns, I agree is debatable. Cathedral is arguably the states best team playing in 5a. No one is in their league. 

I don't think there's anything bold about it. Zionsville beating Dwenger was clearly an upset. Watch the game again. In the end it really doesn't matter, no one is beating Cathedral. But Dwenger would have given them a closer game than Decatur Central, Whiteland, and Castle did. The Irish will do to Zionsville what they did to the other three. Cathedral/Dwenger would have looked something like 28-14.

I'm willing to bet that Westfield is a much different team now than they were when they were waxed by Cathedral in week one. They are the underdog against CG for sure, but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me Westfield won this game. Sagarin has CG by 14.........I'll take the Shamrocks to cover.

I feel like Cathedral's best competition in 5a emptied their lockers a week ago. Zionsville is in big trouble. Good for them for getting there, but this game won't be close. I don't think it will be a total embarrassment, but I like the IRISH by three touchdowns.