BTF

3 minutes ago, MuleDriver said:

Well that team is as advertised. 

Overrated, they are in trouble next week.

Dwenger holds Valpo to three and out, then fumbles the punt return giving the Vikings the ball at the 20 yard line. Could be the game.

 

3 minutes ago, New Money said:

Fort Wayne Dwenger (11-1) at Valparaiso (12-0)
GAME TIME: 6:30 pm CT, Viking Field.
COACHES: Jason Garrett, 25-2 in 2nd year at Bishop Dwenger. Bill Marshall, 22-4 in 2nd year at Valparaiso.
SAGARIN RATINGS: Valparaiso, 97.72, 6th overall, 2nd in 5A. Bishop Dwenger, 86.64, 18th overall, 4th in 5A.
LAST OUTING: Bishop Dwenger defeated Harrison (West Lafayette), 35-21. Valparaiso defeated Mishawaka, 49-0.
OPPONENTS' RECORDS: Bishop Dwenger 63-68. Valparaiso 54-74.
SERIES LAST 35 YEARS: No meetings.
jh PREDICTION: Valparaiso, 35-14.

That prediction blows me away. Especially from John Harrell. I don't see it being more than a 7-10 point game in either direction. And I certainly don't think Valpo will put up 35 against Dwenger. I guess time will tell. 

4 minutes ago, Da Region said:

Where are people getting their information, 3TD underdogs? Not likely, not even sure they are the underdog, depends on which part of the state you ask. Should be a great ball game.

I've seen a couple 14 pt predictions. Not sure where the 3 TD came from. 

13 minutes ago, BDGiant93 said:

@Bobref pretty much nailed it.

Agree 100%.

4 hours ago, Da Region said:

If you wouldn't mind being a bit more detailed about the "hype"? Also, if Dwenger (might be toughest team they've seen in last two years.) is better than last years Carmel squad, how do you not have them favored? Find your statement somewhat contradictory.

"Hype"................meaning that Valpo appears to be good this year based on the fact that many people from that area have said so. I haven't seen Valpo play in person or on film. All I have to go by is what people are saying and the scores of their games. By no means am I using the term as a way to say that they are overrated. 

I said "toughest." I didn't say anything about them being the best or having the most talent. They probably aren't as good as Carmel and they likely have less talent than Merrillville. But they will give you their best shot. They always play hard, physical football. You might have the better team. You might have the more talented team. But, in more cases than not, Dwenger out "tough" you. Meaning...........................they will play with more passion. 

12 hours ago, Mebuck said:

I am saying, Valpo reminds me of Carroll. Nothing bad at all. Carroll will when SAC next year. Yes Dwenger is built around the run but can pass as well. With 5 different running backs we DON'T have a stand out. To be honest Dwenger is built around defense.  Defense get dibs on the talent first. Not a fan of this but it is true.

I agree, Carroll is very solid and should contend next year. I wanna say they are the favorite, but I'm not sure what Homestead has coming back besides Goode. And never count out Snider and Dwenger. Should be a fun 2020.

Good luck to the Saints! I've got Valpo by 7. I haven't seen Valpo play, I'm just buying into the hype. They have a good win against Merrillville and they seem to have carried their success over from last year. They've won 22 of their last 23.........only loss being to Carmel by 4. But Dwenger might be the toughest team they've seen in the last two years. 

16 hours ago, FWfootball10 said:

I think he is comparing Valpo to Carroll. 

That would make more sense. My error.

19 minutes ago, Mebuck said:

From all I have seen on film, they are just like Carroll here in Fort Wayne. 

Not sure that's a good comparison. Dwenger's defense is way better than Carroll's. Carroll had a very good passing game. Isn't Dwenger's offense built around the run? 

Care to elaborate on the comparison?

1 hour ago, psaboy said:

I'll go one better. The FW Luers teams in the late 2000's & early 2010's led by Jaylon Smith would have been a hand full in 5A (That was top class back then). 

I had to do a double take when I read this. But after further review, you may have a valid argument. I'm thinking 2010 & 2011.

2019.......................I'm going with New Pal, but not by a wide margin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The home team by 7. 

32 minutes ago, Da Region said:

I have not watched any of Carmel's games this year, but, would you say they are better than they were last year? 

I heard in the off season that they were supposed to be better this year. Then they struggled early on and middle. Now they are playing like a typical Carmel state championship team. I'd like to hear what someone from Indy has to say about this question. 

I see Carmel wearing down Merrillville like they did Homestead. Carmel is big and physical. What really impressed me about Carmel was their ability to shut down Homestead in the red zone. They did it twice in the first half. Maybe that was the strategy.............don't give up the big play (although Homestead did almost score on first play from scrimmage) and tighten up in the red zone. 

Same score as last week.....................31-7.

40 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

I guess next year when Carmel goes south your posts will actually be legitimate!

Lol....................what? I'm pretty sure the strength of the north will ultimately be exposed, whether it's regional or state. Your comment makes no sense. 

31 minutes ago, Staxawax said:

So for probably the hundredth time you quote Snider’s illustrious past in losing to Carmel. 

It has nothing to do with losing, but everything to do with being competitive. Also notice that I only bring it up when a poster from Indy insults the quality of 6a football up north. And I will continue to do so at least 100 more times, so if you don't want to hear it, I suggest you put me on your ignore list. 

Sorry for leaving Avon out of the discussion. Maybe that is the reason for your bitterness. I will be sure to say something positive about them in the near future so that there are no hurt feelings. 

2 minutes ago, Temptation said:

I have constantly praised Center Grove's success on here in large part due to the consistency of their coaching staff and ability to run their system to perfection all the way down to the youth league levels.  Think about this.  Since Eric Moore took over at Center Grove, Lawrence North has had four coaches and Lawrence North SEVEN.  You cannot cut bait and rebuild every 4-5 year and expect to compete with the big three (Carmel, WC, BD) mentioned.  At the collegiate level, Nebraska, Tennessee, and others still have not figured this out.

Also, socioeconomics plays a BIG role here.  The enrollments of Lawrence Township and of Center Grove are where the similarities end.  Both LC and LN boast a free/reduced lunch rate at over 60 percent, whereas Center Grove is under 20 percent.  This is the #1 indicator of student success in the classroom and on the athletic field in my opinion.  (For comparison purposes, Carmel is under 10 percent and both Warren and BD are over 75 (and both have gone universal when it comes to free lunch now)).

Warren and Ben Davis are able to combat it because they have 1500/2000 more students than CG, a luxury that the Lawrence schools cannot afford.

Agree.................all very good points. 

14 hours ago, JustRules said:

LN, LC and CG all have about 2400 students and they often compete with and have beaten Carmel in recent seasons. And LN/LC have typically been in the bottom half of the MIC the past few seasons. This shows the MIC is better than every other conference in the state top to bottom. The HCC has a few teams that can also compete and beat MIC teams but outside of that very few can. This isn't a knock on any teams outside the MIC. It's just a fact the MIC and HCC teams have separated from the rest of the state.

I've always felt that Center Grove could make a case for having the best program in Indiana.............pound for pound. But it did take some time for Eric Moore to build that program to what it is today. He really had no choice but to take on the "get better or get used to it" mentality. Being the great coach that he is, he was able to use WC, BD, and Carmel as a bench mark and turn his team into the power that it is today. He started out 7-18 against the Big 3 of the MIC. They've gone 25-25 since..............yes, very impressive for a school of 2500. 

Lawrence North and Lawrence Central, both similar enrollments to Center Grove, hardly ever beat the Big 3. Lawrence North is 1-13 against Carmel in their last 14 tries. Lawrence Central is 0-7 against Carmel since 2011. I'm not seeing where they even played Carmel before that. So LC and LN are a combined 1-20 against Carmel in recent memory. 

In conclusion, Center Grove is the only school who has sustained success against Carmel, BD, and WC. Snider (1800) is 0-2 against Carmel in the last decade losing by an average of 8 points per contest. Historically, they are 4-9 against Carmel, but outscoring them in those contests. Six of Snider's defeats came by 3 points or less. They are 1-1 vs Ben Davis and 3-4 vs Warren Central. 

I don't think it's fair to expect schools of less than 2500 to compete with Carmel (5000), Ben Davis (4400), and Warren Central (3700) just because Center Grove and Snider have. I have great respect for those three programs and their fans. I enjoy watching Snider compete with the big boys. But when some come on here (no posters from BD, WC, or Carmel) and insult 6a football in the northern half of the state, I'm going to defend them. 

Enrollment will be in the 3300 range I'm presuming?

2 minutes ago, FWfootball10 said:

 

Good to hear, as long as they’re on the field that’ll benefit the saints in a big way. I see both your points, snider’s side of the line with Holtz was massive, I believe they had another big guy on that side of the line as well. I’m sure you know better than I do. But I thought I remember hearing the other side of the line had a guy or two in 100s or low 200s starting.

Yes, yes, and yes. 

Good luck to your Saints..................it should be a good one. Dwenger has some big kids themselves. 

Silence...................which means that Temptation is in the process of digging up whatever information he can find to prove that I didn't "make" him do anything. Lot's of time on this little fella's hands. 

Is your life really that pathetic that 50% of your posts are meant to stir up controversy? Lol, don't answer that, I already know the answer. Still mad that I made you donate to the GID?

15 minutes ago, OldschoolFB said:

 I believe Snider’s O Line would be comparable to Valpo in size.  

Well, one side of Snider's line averaged 315, while the other side averaged 215. So it depends on which side you are referring too.

35 minutes ago, Boilerup said:

Actually would have loved to see homestead and Merrillville. Would have been a great game. I am from the region but I think homestead would win. 

Hard to say. Merrillville is a solid team. Beating Lafayette Jeff and coming within an extra point of Valpo is impressive.

Homestead had a great season. It was unfortunate they lost their starting running back a few weeks ago. They outplayed Carmel for a quarter and a half. Carmel is a big, physical team. They slowly beat the Spartans down.  

8 minutes ago, Boilerup said:

Carmel will beat Merrillville the same way they beat homestead so don’t feel bad.

More than likely.....................2200 vs 5000. It's an uphill climb for sure. 

Just now, psaboy said:

Yeah, I know. Homestead was certainly over there head in this one. Carmel is always a good team and will normally be one when you have 5,000 plus students. 

A school of 5000 beating a school of 2400 by a score of 31-7 sounds about right.