BTF

No point in continuing this conversation with anyone who isn't intelligent enough to understand how weather conditions like that would favor a team like Michigan. At the end of the day, like it or not, Notre Dame is still ranked 16th in the country. Who do you follow and what are they ranked? That might explain the hostility. Go Irish! And good luck to whoever you follow.

The Tigers may very well win it. I'm not saying they won't. I just want to see how they do against Alabama. Tight wins over Texas and Florida, in my opinion, doesn't qualify them for top 3 status................that's all, just my opinion. Hopefully they prove me wrong. I have nothing against the Tigers. Your second comment is an opinion, not a fact. If the Irish were to lose to them, I think it would be a competitive ballgame. Time will tell.

They were a few self inflicted mistakes away from defeating Georgia in a much more hostile environment and playing in better weather conditions. The Irish wouldn't fear the Tigers..............sorry.

Not sure who to put my money on. At this point Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, or Clemson could win it. I have LSU ranked 4th at this point, the reason for my hypothetical ND/LSU match-up. I think the top three are in a league of their own. I'm just not sold on LSU yet as a front-runner for the championship. Thanks, but which part?

Ex-coach? Lol, makes sense then :). I get it, Book has some issues and I'm sure Kelly is considering his options with Jurkovich. But he's not a BAD quarterback (above average in fact), and the Irish offense is highly dependent on the passing attack.

I've been waiting this entire thread for someone to ask that question. You sound like like a true coach. Saying the right thing at the podium. The nice thing about fan forums, is that we can actually say it like it is. I'm not being disrespectful toward you, so don't take this the wrong way. It just doesn't take a genius to understand that weather elements like that favored Michigan's style of play? Did it affect Michigan's passing game? No, they couldn't pass anyway. Does Michigan have a great run defense? Absolutely. Knowing that ND would be one dimensional played in their favor. Sorry, I know ND haters don't want to see the truth in that (and apparently some ND fans), but it's a fact.

Personally? As an Irish fan, I'd love to see ND play LSU. I'm not going to let a bad game in a rainstorm against a second rate opponent (ND was probably overconfident and felt like they would roll them) change my mind about what kind of a team ND is. Bring on the Tigers............bring on anyone (not in a rainstorm when the QB can't throw and the recievers can't catch). Go Irish!

For my sake? My salary isn't on the line. Notre Dame is 2-0 vs LSU in their last two meetings............both bowl games........................ 2014 & 2018. Penn State? That would be a good game. Like Notre Dame, the Nittany Lions rank somewhere between 5-10.

Great to see the Brickies back. Football is better when historic programs like Hobart are relevant again. 1981 Snider 37 Hobart 0 at semistate (Rod Woodson's junior year) 1982 Hobart gets revenge 15-0 (Rod's senior year)

This is a great thread relating to the resurgence of the IU football program. You really have to take it there? Sorry, not gonna bite. Congrats to Tom Allen and what he's done with IU's program. I never felt like he was the answer, but I'm glad he's proving me wrong. Can you blame me though? His teams at Ben Davis were less than mediocre by BD standards. He's certainly found the formula at the D1 ranks though. And 80 freshmen and sophomores? Looking forward to how good this team could be over the next couple of years.

Notre Dame will be ok, but what about IU or Purdue? The "fans" are an important piece of the puzzle. Over 75% of attendees at any given college football game have no tie to the university they are cheering for. The money they shell out goes a long way in supporting the athletic departments. Imagine telling a university that they are only allowed to admit you if you have a college degree from their institution. IU's average attendance would go from about 40,000 to 10,000.

I can laugh about it too. What was more embarrassing than the score was the fact that it came against a program that has fallen to second rate status. Losing to a team with a great run defense in a downpour rain isn't going to define Notre Dame's status as one of the top programs in the country. Nor will it define Brian Kelly's legacy. You'll probably still find something to laugh about when Notre Dame is 10-2 and playing in a major bowl game in January against a top tier opponent like LSU or Penn State. Don't forget to make note of Notre Dame 2019 page 3 so you can hold my last comment against me if it's incorrect.

Yes you did, congratulations on that......................... made me laugh. Anyway, let's talk about my "rose colored glasses." And enlighten me on the full picture. I'm not sure how stating that a downpour of rain favors the team with a great run defense and no passing game makes me having "rose colored glasses." Bottom line, before and after the ND/Michigan game.....................Ohio State, Alabama, and Clemson are in a league of their own (none of which ND has been able to compete with on a recruiting level). LSU is on the outside looking in. Everyone else is battling for 5th place. Claiming that Notre Dame might be the 5th best team in the country on a neutral field isn't exactly "off the wall" thinking. How quickly people forget how competitive ND was against Georgia and largest ever crowd for a football game in their storied history.

Not sure you even know what a "hot take" is. At the end of the day, Notre Dame still has 13 national championships (21 depending on the source). The last one was 32 years ago. Yeah, we get that. But the Irish were part of the playoff conversation 4 of the last 5 years. They play in front of a national audience every week. And they've played in front of a sellout crowd 269 consecutive times. They haven't been able to thump their chests and claim #1 since 1993, but they are still relevant. It drives the haters nuts. I love it! Go Irish!

The "fans" drive the university financially. Some of the largest donors didn't even attend the school they support. Take away the "fans", take away the sport.

Seriously, you spend a lot of time looking up what posters wrote weeks ago, lol. So sad.

You have way too much time on your hands.

Jealous of Notre Dame success.................love it!

Yes, I didn't clarify that in my last post. I was referring to years moving forward.

Michigan can't pass and has a very strong run defense. You don't think playing a game in a downpour of rain played in their favor? Then your not very bright. Quarterback development has been a problem, but I don't know how you can say that for any other position. I think Kelly is a great coach. The fact that they have been in so many playoff discussions during his tenure despite recruiting restrictions is proof of that. What I don't understand about Kelly is why he insists on passing in weather conditions like that (North Carolina State)....................and quarterback development. For the haters (Stax)..........................................Notre Dame will continue to be in the limelight week after week and they will continue to be in the playoff discussion as long as Kelly is coach. Sorry that bothers you.............just kidding, actually I love it. Go Irish!

Unfortunately, Notre Dame can't beat Michigan in weather conditions like this. The Irish are out.

Oklahoma is out. This makes room for both LSU and Alabama joining Ohio State and Clemson. Those are your top four at this point and it doesn't look debatable.

The Luers contingent (for whatever reason it's just Luers) have making this claim that Snider's a magnet school for football and draws all the best athletes. If that were truly the case, wouldn't Snider win the SAC every year? They have 3 or 4 SAC championships over the last 10 years. There are lots of athletes in Fort Wayne and they are actually spread out through the schools quite evenly. Snider is good every year because of good coaching, plain and simple. Open enrollment is a real thing, but it's not abused the way some on here make it out to be. It's easier to make excuses and throw accusations at other programs rather than looking within your own program and trying to figure out what can be done to make it better..............human nature unfortunately.

2-7 vs 2-7

With regard to Day, I've seen more than a handful of first year coaches who started fast out of the gate, then went downhill from there. With regard to Lambeau, that's going to be one expensive ticket!