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Indy's Top 5 has been in a league of their own over the last five years or so. Generally there's a couple of teams that could compete with Indy's 6-10. Last year it was Merrillville and Carroll. 

8 minutes ago, Bobref said:

 

So, it’s not any specific affinity for Carroll. You’d say the same if it were Homestead.

Not really, I just know Temp well enough to know that he's bored with Indy's domination of 6A. Both Homestead and Carroll are prime breakout candidates to make that happen. He's been patiently "waiting." 

25 minutes ago, Robert said:

If Woodlan puts up 24, I don't count on Eastside.  Time will tell.

First game of the season. They should get a pass. 

50 minutes ago, Bobref said:

Why?

Goes without saying. 

Dwenger at North Side - Dwenger is still Dwenger, although no one seems to want to give them credit for that. Saints in a close one.

Luers at Wayne - Wayne ran into a motivated Saints team last week. Luers will provide a less daunting challenge. Generals by 10.

Snider at Carroll - Playing without their star running back hurts, but Snider's good enough to get it done. Panthers

South Side at Northrop - This one is a toss up. Neither team impressed in Week 1. I'll go with Northrop, but not by much.

Homestead at Concordia - Homestead is good every year without fail. They get it done against the 3a team

Year to date: 5-0

27 minutes ago, Yuccaguy said:

Please,  temper this comment with a "FW area caveat"....

Carroll is NO JOKE!   Bishop Luers shouldn't be looked at as a team 39 points less than the Chargers.   Bishop Luers just didn't have the numbers to compete with a 6A top ten team.  But in everyway they are well in tune with competing well in 2A FB as the season progresses.

As for Carroll.  This may be THE team that can compete well into the Semi-State from the FW Area in 6A that those in NE Indiana have been waiting for.  They looked solid on both sides of the ball as well as on special teams.  Coach Dinan has tapped into something that has been lacking at CHS in the past few years.....a HUNGER. 

CHS also benefits from the shuffle in the 6A brackets allowing them to avoid the local rivalry 'trap game' that seems to doom them (or Homestead/Snider) a lot.  With Snider down in 5A that also benefits them....and that 5A bracket is loaded also with Snider/North Side/Dwenger all waiting to cannibalize one another come playoff time.  

Let's talk next Saturday morning after the Snider/Carroll tilt.  There is ALL SORTS of underlying animosity involved every time they meet.  This should go a long way to defining FB in the SAC this season.  But there are also a number of others in the SAC that will have impacts.... great year for the quality of FB in FW as far as I am concerned. 

I was expecting a rebuilding year from Carroll this year. But with 2500 students, should a reloading year be expected annually instead? Tapping into the transfer portal I think was an important piece to Carroll's 2022 puzzle. I'm not ready to anoint them as a Top 10 team after beating up on a 2a team devastated by graduation and transfers, but I'm not saying you're wrong either. Friday night will answer some questions.

2 minutes ago, Justasportsfan said:

The call on Northsides celebration is a gr8 example of how they were calling the game..many teams did that on friday night..maybe they were doing their best to keep this a middleweight boxing match n not a street fight..should he have celebrated after getting the earlier flag? No..did I think he would be flagged for it? No..

Valid point. 

1 minute ago, Justasportsfan said:

The spike after the touchdown was just joy of scoring after a heckuva of a play..the 1st down celebration was excessive yet in today's game..I've seen worse..he seemed very emotional.

Imagine Popeye Williams getting flagged every time he made a good play last year. He would have been disqualified every game. I'm glad he wasn't. He was a good player and had fun playing. Again, these celebration penalties are arbitrary to say the least. Let's be consistent across the board. 

Unsure about the offensive coordinator. I thought the same thing about all the different looks on offense, I guess time will tell. I was surprised Haupert wasn't unleashed more than what he was. But then again, I wasn't expecting so much talent in the backfield this year. This could be a dangerous offense come playoff time. 

10 minutes ago, Warren Central Warrior said:

I'm a bit late here. But I realized last night's game between Snider and North Side was the last time they play each other to start the season. Here comes Warren Central next year!!!

East Noble, then Warren Central. I believe Warren gets Carroll in Week 1. 

5 minutes ago, JustRules said:

Yes it's arbitrary but it should be flagged. He's giving you a nice break if he doesn't flag it. I've now seen the play and what he did for the second foul was not a simple first down signal. It was a delayed action that completely warranted a flag. That was a no-brainer. Complaining about it in an online forum and the announcers giving their opinion of the call contribute to the constant lack of respect given to officials when they are doing their job correctly. The announcers were flat wrong but non-officials listening to them treat them as authorities and assume the crew was wrong. This gives fans fuel to complain about it as well.

I think you'll find that there are varying opinions as to what an online forum is for. In my opinion, no topic is off limits as long as you're respectful to the coaches, players, and officials. So let's talk contraction, I'm completely fine with that. But no where on this thread was I disrespectful to an official. See my first post on page 1. I stand by it now, tomorrow and next week. My opinion doesn't change. Rules are rules, I get that. Again, see my first post. And this is my last. Thanks all for your insight. 

1 minute ago, combthehair said:

At 1:50:30 he spiked it. That’s going to and should get flagged every time. The kid was excited after a huge run. Don’t blame him for being excited but can’t spike the ball. 

I was referring to the second penalty. According to Just Rules, a first down gesture is a penalty. I've never seen it enforced though. So that one must be arbitrary. I agree that spiking the ball is a penalty, I just don't agree that it should be. Do I prefer to see a kid hand it to an official? Sure. But I don't see too much harm in spiking a ball.

5 hours ago, temptation said:

The Carroll score caused me to do a double take…not that they won but the margin by which they won.

I think everyone expected both programs to take a step back this season. I think the big difference was a couple of key transfers coming into Carroll and a couple going out of Luers. But yeah, the margin of defeat was surprising. 

By seasons end, I think a Fort Wayne team will qualify for Top 15. I'm just not sure who at this point. Lots of answers in Week 2. Snider takes on Carroll, North Side gets Dwenger, and Homestead squares off with Concordia. 

I like where you have Penn and Merrillville, a little uncertain about Westfield though. Keep this poll going. You seem to give an unbiased and honest opinion. 

3 minutes ago, JustRules said:

Yes. If you can get to him quickly and shut it down you may make it a talk-to with a stern warning. Celebrate with teammates or get to your sideline. HS rules generally don't tolerate much like NFL and to a lesser extent NCAA do. Signaling first down is calling attention to yourself even if you aren't doing it toward your opponent. Don't want to force the official to make a decision on something like that then don't do it. But if you they flag it you only have yourself to blame.

3 minutes ago, JustRules said:

Yes. If you can get to him quickly and shut it down you may make it a talk-to with a stern warning. Celebrate with teammates or get to your sideline. HS rules generally don't tolerate much like NFL and to a lesser extent NCAA do. Signaling first down is calling attention to yourself even if you aren't doing it toward your opponent. Don't want to force the official to make a decision on something like that then don't do it. But if you they flag it you only have yourself to blame.

Thanks for the info on that. I'm not sure I've ever seen a kid get flagged for doing that. It must be arbitrary depending on the official. 

2 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I might be biased. The video is not.

So making a first down gesture is a penalty?

49 minutes ago, Bobref said:

I saw the film and both of those penalties were absolutely spot on.

Absolute, total, 100%. Surprise surprise. 

28 minutes ago, Bobref said:

So, the same kid was penalized twice for unsportsmanlike conduct? I assume he was disqualified after the second one, and consequently will be riding the pines next Friday.

He was ejected. Is that the rule? Sit out the next game?

Good insight from all and noted as well. It's not really a matter of whether or not a rule was broken. It's more of a matter of softening up in certain situations. Kids should be allowed to celebrate. Stop taking the fun out of the game. 

Looks good Temp. Fort Wayne is looking like a crapshoot this year with Snider, Carroll, Dwenger, Homestead, and North Side. A big shout out to North Side for the crowd they brought Friday night. One of the bigger visiting crowds I've seen in recent memory. 

10 minutes ago, BTF said:

I would agree with that one. I wouldn't agree with flagging a kid for making a first down gesture. I get it, it's debatable. 

At least not when he's facing his own sideline. If he's facing his opponents sideline, that's another story. 

7 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Also on the first one, it probably would have been ok if he had not spiked the ball? Hamilton Heights got flagged last night for a receiver waving at his pursuers when he crossed the goal line. There is no place for that in HS sports.

I would agree with that one. I wouldn't agree with flagging a kid for making a first down gesture. I get it, it's debatable. 

1 minute ago, gonzoron said:

Also on the first one, it probably would have been ok if he had not spiked the ball?

Yes, that's probably why they got him. They probably made the correct call within the confines of the rule. I just don't like the rule. Let the kids play and celebrate. The second one could have been for something said rather than something done. Hard to tell from the video. 

17 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Got the video clip? 

Fast forward to 1:50:30 & 3:08:30

10 hours ago, temptation said:

I’ll see myself out now.  Wow, ouch.

Lol, rocky start. 

I witnessed something a bit different in the Snider/North Side game. The panthers learned not to have fun or show any swagger. They received penalties for both and it really slowed their momentum down. Remember officials, football really is supposed to be fun. You're there to do a job, we get that. But don't get overly flag happy. Let kids celebrate. And if a kid makes a first down gesture, who cares as long as they're not jawing at their counterparts. 

26 minutes ago, scarab527 said:

If one teams shows up more prepared, that means they've been getting better coaching, no? I am not sure the disparity in resources is even that large tbh. Coaches in the DAC teach gym and are compensated nicely. I have a hard time believing that the coaches down south really have that much more time and resources. I've seen the 3 of the best coaches in the DAC and Northern Indiana play 5 games against Indy schools the past 2 years and only once (MC vs Zionsville) did I think that the talent/resource disparity was so large that who was coaching didn't really matter. As for your second point, I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to see when one team is better prepared to start and making better adjustments during the game. And you know I was not saying every Indy coach is better than their non-Indy counterpart. Let me ask you, do you think it is an unfair to say that the MIC and HCC have the best coaches top to bottom of any conference? Not trying to start an argument I'm just surprised you don't agree with this. 

You could have a good argument there, but it's really hard to say since those conferences, from top to bottom, have the largest enrollment schools. 

I think there are some very very good coaches in Indy. Guys like Moore, Gilbert, and Ralph are easily among the states best. I'm just not sure how you can conclude that coaching is better in Central Indiana. If you take away all mega schools and PP's, I think you'll find that there is pretty good balance throughout the entire state.