oldtimeqb

Two short answers: closed conferences and logistics. The SAC and SIAC have no games against outside opponents. There might be more conferences that I am unaware of that also fall in this category. Last fall had 6-3 Jasper, Ev Memorial, and Boonville. Jasper beat EM in week 1, but BV had no opponent that played an SIAC school. So coaches would have to go off a ‘hunch.’ Honest question. When do the wrestling seeding meetings take place? Football plays week 9 Friday night. When would seeds and pairings be determined? I don’t know a football coach that would want to wait until Sunday. Even Saturday afternoon or evening would be late for game prep for many of them

WEBO 2018-2020 and Ev Mater Dei 2021-2022 are prime examples why 2 years, hard cut offs are ridiculous implementations of the SF.

I would agree with all 3 (and SF title requirement) in a heartbeat.

Were the 1990-93 Buffalo Bills a dominate team that exceeded their competition? I think a championship must be one of the two years. IMO Regional and State champs - move up. Back to back state runners up? No bump up. So maybe it’s 4.5 pts for a championship and the SF says ‘over 6 pts’?

The entire study is available on Google Scholar if anyone wants to read the whole thing. From the article: “Based on the results, it appears a reasonable policy innovation would be to increase the TSF point value from 6 to 7 that is needed to trigger the move up in classification, or use a historical metric that includes TSF points over prior cycles. These changes would eliminate most of the isolated cases of success and target the most successful programs that should be competing at a higher classification, which meets the spirit of TSF.” I would agree with 7 points & more than two years would improve the process.

Thanks for the info. I was just wondering. There is about a 5-10 year blur when my SW Indiana trivia knowledge went out the window. I went to college and when I came back Tecumseh and Wood had left the PAC, Gibson Southern and Tell City joined the PAC and Mt Carmel was playing in the Big 8.

Was Perry Central a former Southwest 7 member? Back when Linton was Class A and Wood Memorial had a team? They always seemed to come west back then and now the PLAC sends them more SE Indiana.

Twitter? Surely you can find a better source than that. 😂

Good to see HH investing in the S&C program which benefits all students. I wish more schools could do the same. I thought HH already had a S&C coach. Coach Mundy? I think? Where did he go?

Interesting turn of events

My comment was mildly facetious, but I will respond with earnestness. We will probably never completely agree on the topic, and that is fine with me. I respect your opinion and understand your viewpoint. My contention is that I do not find the term "Indian" offensive. I say that acknowledging I am neither the perpetrator (Catholic) nor aggrieved party (Native American) in this scenario. If someone wants to change names, focus on things like Angel Mounds. Can you name the group or tribe who inhabited the area and built the mounds? I had to wikipedia it myself, and I have been there numerous times. The name Angel comes from the family who owned the property in the 1800's. That seems like a more noble cause for a name change. I can't tell you off-hand the name of the Mississippi Indians and how they inhabited Angel Mounds (to save people from googling) but I could tell you there once was a chief named Tecumseh and the Kickapoo Indians once inhabited Indiana. I may never heard those names or had a curiosity sparked, if the people of Lynnville or Owensville had changed them. Indian names and imagery are completely imbedded in the language of this state, Indiana. Mississinewa, Wapahani, Maconaquah. The merging of cultures and histories, warts and all, is something I would rather see embraced than erased. I will end with another facetious comment. According to Ludacris and Missy Elliot, "Minuteman" is as about a derogatory term as a someone could be called. Hey-ooo.

Can the Cathedral Fighting Irish be far behind?

Thank you!! I thought my memory was playing tricks on me. I looked but couldn’t find the details

Let’s stop all this small talk and get real. Call your state representative and let’s change the name of the state from Indiana to Indigenia.

I *think* something like this happened before, but I will have to see if I can internet sleuth it later today for confirmation. Vincennes Lincoln in its 4A power hey day (2000-06 era) sent its JV to play a smaller school in Illinois - Edwards County? Robinson? Oblong? on a Friday night, the same weekend their varsity played a conference game.

Agree with this re: the HS teams depend on the youth system. Here's to all the youth coaches who worry about teaching first and having fun first. And not the youth coaches whose first priority is Jimmy Jr. playing QB and Johnny Jr. being RB.

Why would you say interesting? Not sure a candidate from out of the area like Coultis or Burgess would be interested after the recent decline. First step for a new coach at Central is to keep your players from being poached by other schools. I would think he could help in that area.

At halftime, the Reitz Drumline will square off with the Prairie View A&M Drumline. PVAM by a million. LOL

Any word on the Central job? Or a timeline of when they might name a new coach? Last time around, Zirkelbach was announced on April 5, but I think Coultis left a little earlier.

April fools?

Regular season record of 5-4 each of the last 4 years. Jeff Fisher wishes he could be that consistent. 😃

Has Mooresville's run of P5 athletes stopped? I remember they have had several big time recruits - both football and baseball - playing over the last few years but I haven't kept up with them. Plus didn't the younger Gillin leave to coach somewhere else?

I was just giving the breakdown of how many football schools fell in each classification. Not an actual proposal. I started to type a longer post but figured no one really wanted to read it. But since you asked (not really, but just go with me on this...) Those breakdowns could go a few ways. Top-down. Use the 1400+ hard cap for 5A/6A. That leaves 248 for 1A - 4A, or 62 per class if divided evenly. 6A would have 32 and 5A would have 37. Bottom-up. Use the under 325 for 1A - which leaves 50 schools for 1A. Go ahead and make 6A top 32, which would leave 235 for 2A - 5A, or around 59 per class. As a math guy who comes from a small town, I kind of like the 'floor' of under 325 is 1A. 50 schools. Then make 6A the biggest 32 and 5A the next 48. This leaves 62/63 for 2A, 3A, and 4A. What makes basketball so "easy" is they have 16 sectionals and they really don't care about # of teams. There are 5, 6 7 and 8 team sectionals and no one bats an eye. If 5A were 48 teams, that makes 6 team sectionals. If that were the case, should the bye teams face each other in week 2, or both go on the road vs week 1 winners? Competitive balance is important IMO. But then again we're talking about an organization that uses ping-pong balls, so maybe it's not that important???

I think it works with the fixed enrollment better, because one going up doesn't necessarily mean someone comes back down. Using the same cut-offs, based on the last classifications: 1400+(5A/6A) - 68 + Cathedral. This could easily be top 32 are 6A and remaining 37 are 5A 600 -1400 (3A in basketball) - 98 Schools 326 - 600 (2A in basketball) - 100 Schools Under 325 (1A) - 50 schools + LCC when they aren't bumped up

I would assume (and you know what that means) that the last two years would be used instead of resetting every two years. Think about how absurd the SF currently is. We don't know if Mater Dei has achieved enough success points to be bumped up to 3A. Despite being a runner-up in 2021 and winning 2022, if they lose their regional game this fall, they will remain in 2A. A rolling success factor puts them in 3A for the next two years, regardless of what they do this fall.