Footballking16

5 minutes ago, HHF said:

13 of the 22 IU recruits are from SEC country (FL/GA/LA/AR/TX) 2 of the 13 are 4 star.  Rest are 3 star

Id rather lose with in state 3 stars than out of state kids.

 

 

The state of Indiana only produced nine 4* prospects to begin with, so if you expect IU to compete in the B10 then obviously they are going to have to look elsewhere for talent. Not sure what else you want?

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=Highschool&State=IN

7 hours ago, HHF said:

2. I am hopeful that once the dust clears, and everybody’s ego is checked at the door, that Center Grove will reengage with The HCC and be unanimously voted in.  An entity as valuable as CGHS simply cannot be left to wallow in the uncertainty of independence, like BYU has done at the college level for the past decade.  Cg is a school hat appreciates all that conference membership provides.  I’m confident they will wind up right where they belong.

Center Grove will continue to be at the epicenter of Indiana High School regardless of conference affiliation, which is the most overrated aspect of Indiana High School Football. Conference games are nothing more than placeholders on the schedule as conference championships don't guarantee anything past the regular season. A program of Center Grove's caliber can navigate as an independent and their availability for marquee games will be in high demand across Indiana and the Midwest. This will arguably make the Trojan football program stronger. 

8 hours ago, HHF said:

11. Indiana is producing more and more high level in state talent than ever before.  Our state university just came off a 2-10 season, including an 0-9 record in the Big Ten.  The current staff at IU is building its roster chasing after SEC and ACC leftover recruits in the Southeast, especially in Florida.  While Indiana is building a reputation as a growing recruiting hotbed for offensive and defensive linemen, none of them seem to wind up in Bloomington.  If we are going to continue to lose big at IU, lets lose with Indiana players.  Id rather watch kids from the DAC, MIC, SAC, NCC, NIC. NLC, WIC, SIAC, PAC etc , than a bunch of 2 and 3 star imports from Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and Jacksonville. 

That state university just pulled in its best recruiting class of all-time despite going 2-10 and finished in the top 20 nationally. Painting a picture that Indiana is pulling in 2 and 3 star recruits from Florida isn't accurate at all. Indiana is pulling in multiple 4 stars from Florida who all had legitimate SEC offers. I'd rather Indiana University put the best possible talent on the field regardless of home town. You've been a proponent for years that recruiting rankings and stars are the end be all in college football and now that Indiana is finally starting to recruit at a high level you want them to change? What gives?

3 minutes ago, temptation said:

1.  Gattis didn’t take off as an OC until Weiss was brought in.  He owes a lot of his success to Weiss.

2.  The Gattis story about a recruits’ mother has been disproven and false.

3.  Minter also had success at the NFL level, way to pinpoint his Vandy days (with invalid stats by the way).

4.  My statement about Harbaugh hiring home runs at DC still stands.

5.  IU has beaten Michigan once in football in the last three decades.  You should probably sit the rest of this one out.

Wolves shouldn’t concern themselves with the opinions of sheep…but guess I love to continually dunk on you.

1. Weiss is so ready to call plays that he has to share duties with someone who also hasn’t called plays? 
 

2. Why’d the recruit de-commit and why did Gattis get divorced around the same time? What’s that saying about smoke and fire?

3. I cited his Vandy days because it’s the only destination he’s had actual play calling duties. Duh.

4. How many DC’s has Harbaugh hired that are as inexperienced and green as Minter?

5. Completely irrelevant 

Just now, temptation said:

Wait and see.  Who’s your team again?

So promoting TWO guys who have zero experience combined calling plays is somehow an upgrade? If only Gattis could resist the mothers of recruits.

And don’t get me started on hiring a DC away from a team that finished 118th in the country last year. 
 

I’m an IU fan, my Alma Mater.

1 hour ago, temptation said:

Weiss/Moore - Co- OC’s

Jessie Minter - new DC

Save for 2020, Michigan has had a top 20 defensive efficiency rating every year since Harbaugh’s arrival.

He doesn’t miss on DC hires.

Just adding to the receipts.

Lol.

Neither of those are upgrades nor the flex you think it is. 

1 hour ago, Bobref said:

If you’re really looking for a program in disarray, how about the one whose head coach was interviewing for another job (which he botched) on National Signing Day? Or how about the program whose offensive coordinator was the national asst. coach of the year … and leaves to take the same job at Miami, with a poison pen tweet to the players about Michigan in his wake? Oh wait, they’re the same program.

That’s what I call disarray.

 

Bob--You didn't know? Temptation has boots on the ground up in Ann Arbor and they told him everything is going to be alright. Optics of Harbaugh interviewing and preparing to leave on National Signing Day was all smoke and Michigan is now in a better place because of it. The Frank Broyles award winner leaving was just part of the process, nothing to worry about. 

@temptation

Offensive coordinator up and leaving for a lateral job. Defensive coordinator position still unfilled. No 8 million/yr contract announced yet as you promised.

Good optics eh?

”Boots on the ground”. LOL

2 minutes ago, gonzoron said:

Is he holding out for the Bears job still?

Who knows.

But I bet he comes better prepared to his next interview if/when the time comes!!

2 minutes ago, temptation said:

You are a lost cause at this point.  Believe what you wish.

I will.

There's a reason he's still at Michigan and it's not why you think it is. But I do understand the need to rationalize.

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

Where in life did Jim hurt you so badly?

Let’s let it all out.  I’m here to listen.

You somehow seem to know more about the man than those I mentioned above.

Fascinating.

Been a fan of Jim Harbaugh ever since I attended the Jim Harbaugh show as a kid and got an on television interview!

I think he's better suited for the NFL than in college, I've said that from day 1. 

I believe he royally screwed himself out of another shot in the NFL for the way he conducted himself with the Vikings.

I can understand why you as a Michigan fan feel the need to rationalize what all happened knowing that Harbaugh wanted a change of scenery. It's perfectly normal fan behavior. 

You won't convince me that Harbaugh is the coach of Michigan today because he wants to be, he didn't have any other choice after Wednesday. 

25 minutes ago, temptation said:

1.  No, he did not act out of line.  I am willing to concede that perhaps he underachieved in the interview but not due to some preconceived notion that he approached it in an arrogant manner. You’ve used every term under the sun to make it seem like Jim bombed the interview when the link I provided indicates otherwise.  Assuming you have the gig after setting up an interview and just hopping on the plane to sign the dotted line is not how NFL franchises operate.

For someone as arrogant and egotistical as Jim Harbaugh, it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if he approached the interview in that manner. The article you linked is after the fact. I have very little doubt that Jim Harbaugh on his way to Minnesota thought there was zero percent chance in the world he would be returning to Michigan as the coach of the Wolverines. ZERO.

28 minutes ago, temptation said:

2.  Its well documented that Jim was interested in both Vegas early due to prior relationships with folks in their front office and Minnesota entered late. Stephen Ross (who is in the news for other reasons) of the Dolphins is a huge UM donor/alum and stated early that he would not pursue Harbaugh.  The Giants and Bears were never options on the table.  Yes, he would have taken the Vikings’ job had they offered but they didn’t.  Your ESPN groupies have their theory on why they didn’t, and my guys have the truth.  ESPN/the national media has never given Harbaugh a fair shake from the moment he took the job and piling on here for clicks is their blueprint.

Harbaugh clearly has/had one foot out the door, this isn't the media giving not giving Harbaugh a fair shake. The article you linked this morning is Harbaugh's way of going on damage control. I don't believe his intention was to ever dick over his alma mater, but at the same time it was never his intention to return either. Harbaugh claiming that Michigan is where he's always wanted to have been, being 100% committed along with the rest of that BS is an attempt to save face; I didn't get the job I wanted but I'm also still employed elsewhere and I want to keep it that way. It's classic coachspeak and honestly how any normal person would act if caught in situation Harbaugh was caught in. 

35 minutes ago, temptation said:

3.  I was talking more about potential unsigned recruits to squash your notion of “bad optics.”  Do I think rival coaches have been telling high school kids that Harbaugh has a foot out the door for the NFL for the last 5 years?  Hell yes.  But Michigan has managed to still sign top 10 classes in 5 of Jim’s 7 years in Ann Arbor.  The fact that 18 year old kids/targets for UM are showing appreciation for his transparency and are glad he has returned shows that even they get it more so than you do.

And I wasn't necessarily talking about future recruits. But the notion of showing up to a job interview with the impression it was your job to lose and then subsequently returning to a position you were ready to leave because you ultimately didn't get it looks "bad". Harbaugh can say he's 100% committed, done exploring other opportunities, etc all he wants, doesn't mean it's actually true. He did and was ready to take the Vikings job after all until it wasn't available. 

20 minutes ago, temptation said:

Once again, that’s not how Harbaugh operates.  The “ thought the job was his” narrative is 100 percent false.

Says who? You? Your "boots on the ground"? Proof, link?

21 minutes ago, temptation said:

In fact, he is more of an old school guy and was told by Vikings’ ownership that the modern day NFL requires a knowledge of analytics.

So, what did he do?  Before he got on the plane, had a lengthy sit down with current UM quarterbacks coach Matt Weiss who is known for his knowledge of analytics in preparation for the interview.  In other words, the EXACT opposite of what you are implying.

It's not plausible that Harbaugh came in completely over his head because he assumed the job was his and was simply there waiting to sign the offer sheet? You really think all these in the interview process are just making up the fact that Harbaugh acted out of line in his interview?

23 minutes ago, temptation said:

As for the optics, his coaching staff, players, and even potential recruits have all applauded his transparency and didn’t fault him at all because many of them too have the NFL as their ultimate goal.  Does he have some things to mend?  Oh, I’m sure.

And while that's admirable and actually refreshing in today's climate, you and I both know that Harbaugh was dead set on taking the Vikings job had it been offered. You yourself Wednesday morning conceded to the fact that Harbaugh was gone. Why else interview? To fleece Michigan for a contract extension that hasn't happened? Why wouldn't Michigan offer a contract extension BEFORE he interviewed with the Vikings? Likely because he told Michigan he was leaving for the NFL. As far as the Mitch Albom article you linked, again what is Harbaugh supposed to say AFTER the fact, "I'm back at Michigan only because I didn't get the Vikings job". Yeah that would have gone over well. 

28 minutes ago, temptation said:

If the optics were so bad, then why did two of Michigan’s top targets (one who is expected to sign next month) both voice their approval on social media the moment it was announced he was coming back?

I'm sure the recruits who committed to Michigan are in fact happy that the coach who recruited them to Ann Arbor is going to be their coach after all. Not really any kind of Earth shattering revelation. 

9 minutes ago, temptation said:

Once again, you are choosing your words differently in every post.

Failed to win over/botched/assumed it was his are three different viewpoints.

I’ll concede the first, but the last two are asinine.

Harbaugh is who he is and has always been…sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.

I'd be rubbed the wrong way too if I was interviewing someone who already though the job was theirs and our time was just part of the formality process. It's pretty clear Harbaugh was turned off when in fact he found out the job wasn't already his. If only his agent conveyed that to him prior to the interview....oh wait he doesn't have one. 

Bad optics on Harbaugh's part and just looks dumb in the process. Oh well, it's a win for Michigan. 

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

The “thought was already his” ordeal is a huge myth that has been debunked.

Its 2022, we all know how these things are spun.

Minnesota:  Harbaugh failed the interview, we didn’t want him.

Harbaugh:  Minnesota wasn’t a good fit.

The truth:  Somewhere in the middle.

So the Vikings GM is fabricating that Harbaugh was his #1 choice but Harbaugh failed to win over the owners during his interview?

Sounds like quite a days work for a newly hired GM. 

2 minutes ago, DE said:

what do you want me to do, get in a spat with you?  not going to happen.  have a good day.

No need for a spat. Like Harbaugh, you've already showed your hand.

"Temp obviously has an in with Michigan". 

Stop. 

1 minute ago, DE said:

ok.

I figured as much. 

2 minutes ago, DE said:

you continuously doubt Temp who obviously has an "in" with Michigan football and Coach Harbaugh.  Temp has never share the "in" with me, but all he has ever said has always led me to believe him.

Temp has an "in" with Michigan? What are you talking about? Temp knows about as much about Michigan as you or I. Temp (just like everybody else) already conceded to Harbaugh leaving for the NFL, read his posts on THIS thread on page 3 paralleling that. It's more than comical that Temp is now buying into this notion that Harbaugh somehow got cold feet at the alter during the 11th hour and backed out to return to Michigan. Harbaugh saying anything else is just coachspeak at this time, what the hell else are you supposed to say upon returning to a job that you were dead set on leaving.

*I deeply apologize if your post was sarcastic. That's the only other way I can read it. "Temp has an in with Michigan"...gold. 

Just now, temptation said:

Not what you said in your original manifesto.  Reading is hard huh?

”Botched.”

"Botched", "Screwed up", "Acted like an idiot"....all the same thing.

Harbaugh didn't wow the Vikings owners for a job he thought was already his and they told the new GM to go find somebody else.

10 minutes ago, DE said:

Some folks (fbk16) will never learn Temp.  I just do not get it.

What is there to get?!?!?

He's back at Michigan only because he didn't get the Vikings job. Where else was he going to go at that point? How hard is this to understand? Do you really think Harbaugh isn't in Minneapolis full time if he didn't screw up his interview? Are all the people and sources who were part of the interview process coming out and saying Harbaugh acted like an idiot in his interview lying??

18 minutes ago, temptation said:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2022/02/04/mitch-albom-jim-harbaugh-michigan-football-nfl-minnesota-vikings/6645110001/

Lol.

You interview for one of two reasons in this kind of industry:

1) You're genuinely interested in the job with the expectation you're going to accept the position if offered

or

2) You interview or blow enough smoke about interviewing for another job so that you can possess the leveraging power in negotiating a better contract from your current employer.

Neither happened with Harbaugh.

Harbaugh was dead set on taking the Vikings job and in fact thought and acted like the job was already his when he interviewed. He was the Vikings GM #1 choice as they had previous ties back to when he coached the 49ers. But he botched the interview with the owners who were turned off by his antics.

As far as Harbaugh saying he's 100% committed to Michigan, always wanted to be there, yada yada....what the hell else is he supposed to say?? He got rejected from a job that he truly wanted and has nowhere else to go but back to Michigan. Nothing but damage control from here on out as he had already told players and recruits that he wanted to coach again in the NFL.

Happy for you though that Harbaugh is back. 

8 minutes ago, temptation said:

No, not at all.  Still doesn’t make your statement above accurate.  Here are the facts.

1.  Nine hour interview in which both sides agreed that it took a left turn around 3pm (interpret that how you wish).

2.  Jim was completely transparent with all involved (AD, staff, players, recruits) that he was exploring his options.  (Personally I can’t blame him and it’s actually refreshing in this day and age.)

3.  Expect the terms of the new deal at UM to emerge in the next few days.  Likely in the $8 million dollar range.

Just stop with your BSPN nonsense.

I’ll wait for that contract extension. He already showed his hand, and failed.

4 minutes ago, temptation said:

That’s one way the story has been spun.  Keep in mind, these are the same folks that also said he’d “never leave the NFL for college” and that “Oakland was still in play” when he was physically on the runway heading to his introductory press conference in Ann Arbor 7 years ago.

The guy never gets a fair shake from the media.  Dig a little deeper footballqueen.

So Harbaugh interviewed for the Vikings job for the hell of it??? Lol ok

So Harbaugh botched his interview with the Vikings thinking it was just a formality and part of the process and now can’t leverage a raise after taking his team to the college football playoff a year removed from taking a 50% pay cut?

Yikes.

2 hours ago, temptation said:

I just can't yet fellas.  Lets allow the body to cool before discussing the death.

Honest question.

Where does Michigan turn this late in the game? Similar situation happened to Michigan State about this time two years ago and while they took some lumps year 1 they came out alright. They wouldn't promote Gattis or Michigan Man Mike Hart would they?

26 minutes ago, HHF said:

Why is this a good fit?  I dont get it.  

Because Harbaugh is better suited coaching in the NFL. He doesn’t have to worry about recruiting or developing kids and instead can focus solely on coaching X’s and O’s, which is by far his strongest suit.

With Rodgers likely moving on, Vikings become the team to beat in the NFC north. Harbaugh has two very skilled WR’s in Thielen and Jefferson + an all-pro RB in Dalvin Cook to work with and Harbaugh is known to get the best out of mediocre NFL QB’s.