Footballking16

37-0 at half. Running clock entire 2nd half. Penn ran 19 plays for 21 yards in first half.

No not even close. But P/P's pull more from the Marion County Twp Schools than they do IPS. It's not that uncommon at all, especially at schools like Brebeuf or Cathedral, to see a kid go their local township public school grades 1-8 and end up going to one of those schools. But I think it's pretty rare to see a kid go IPS grades 1-8 and end up at a P/P. Large majority of the IPS kids leaving after 8th grade are going to charter schools.

Never would have guessed that was Monroe from the picture.

Where is that Muda? Looks nice.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5684336001 Appears that Bishop Sycamore wrote bad checks at the hotel in Canton in which they were staying the night of the IMG game. This might make for a better ending than Catch Me If You Can.

Sure it does. The deanery schools aren't located in inner-city Indianapolis and the OMG athletes to which you speak of aren't going to those high schools anyway. It's myth. The non-deanery kids that attend Cathedral are being pulled from Hamilton County and Lawrence Twp predominantly, none of which is considered inner-city, and Brebeuf is also pulling from Hamilton County as well as Washington and Pike Twp, also neither of which are defined as inner-city. Try again. I challenge you to attend Roncalli/Chatard this week and report back as to which "OMG inner-city athletes" catch your attention. I think this would be good for you.

I've yet to see a box score account for enrollment and socioeconomic factors.

Because I know the dynamics of each of those schools and they aren't getting the inner-city OMG athletes sans Cathedral who occasionally gets some. But the deanery schools (Chatard/Roncalli/Scecina/Ritter) are nearly exclusively parochial feeders. Chatard roster listed with junior high https://bishopchatardathletics.org/wp-content/uploads/FB-Roster.pdf Roncalli roster https://www.roncalli.org/athletics/fall-sports/football/rosters Ritter https://gocardinalritter.org/teams/2716478/boys/football/varsity/roster

Absolutely incorrect. Most of the inner-city OMG athletes are going to the township schools.

I don't think kids are flocking to King or the Miami schools necessarily. However I do think King, Cass, the Miami schools, etc have committed resources to their football programs, have good enough coaching/leadership structure, vision for D1 prospective to keep their homegrown kids in district. That isn't the case in IPS and why you see so many inner-city athletes end up at private schools or the township schools. So continue to "trust" someone who continuously flip flops their stance to fit whatever narrative they like? Thanks but no thanks. I'll continue to call it like it is, you need to come up with new material.

To be fair, it's no longer a theory when it's been disproven. It's just an opinion without merit. "Football factory" is the key word, the rest is smoke. We all know that football factories come in all shapes and sizes as well as enrollments, socioeconomic demographics, etc. The one constant however is culture. Won't find many successful football programs that don't have longstanding and rich cultures. He's dead serious. He's going to post the same drivel again, someplace, somewhere.

That's irrelevant to the fact that you have explicitly stated multiple times that non-mega school enrollments with low socioeconomic factors can't compete. There's 3-4 Miami inner-city schools (Northwestern/Central/Washington/Jackson) that all have between 900-1500 students who produces a ton of D1 talent year after year. I don't know enough about every single inner-city public school system in the country to give you more examples but will assure you they're out there. Serious question, do you think a school like Tech is completely devoid of athletes or are they completely devoid of any kind of structure, commitment, leadership within the school or am I just way over my head in thinking that? Do you think that problem exists at King or Cass or any of the Miami city schools I mentioned? If a city like Detroit can produced not only 1, but 2 very, very good inner-city football schools, why can't Indianapolis produce one? Inner-city Detroit just have that many more better football players than inner-city Indianapolis?

You're thinking of Cass Technical, who also has a great athletic program that is more than twice the size of King. Keep digging.

You're not listening at all what I'm saying. I'm being a smartass. King is a good football program despite having a low enrollment and vastly high f/r lunch program, something Temptation has said isn't feasible under those conditions.

I'm being a smartass. According to Temptation, schools who have astronomically high f/r lunch programs can't/aren't expected to be good at athletics unless they have a mega-school enrollment. It's the only thing he's been talking about these last 6 months. An inner-city public school (like Detroit King) blows that narrative out of the water in both instances. That's why I'm being "cute" according to Temptation.

Lol. It's run by the DPS which is the equivalent to IPS. It's strictly a public school zoned to some of the most impoverished areas of Detroit. The school literally almost closed a handful of years ago. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Looks like I pulled some old numbers. King is up to 79% free and reduced lunch and only has 1189 students (not 1500). Carmel truly did avoid one of the biggest upsets in recent memory.

What's status of Carmel's starting QB?

Believe the entire 2H was a running clock and Cathedral only scored one TD.

In all honesty it’s likely a culmination of things. 1. 6A has simply caught up. During the 90’s and early 2000’s, you weren’t going to find many teams bigger and stronger than Penn. I’d say most 6A programs today have not only caught up to the Kingsman in their strength and conditioning program, but left them in the dust. Penn just looks like a 4A school when they line up to play. 2. Decline in the city of South Bend. South Bend in generally has just been on the rapid decline. The SB public schools are non-existent, St. Joe is fading fast, it’s not just Penn. 3. Schedule. Think it’s finally caught up. Penn’s decline has been going on several years but hasn’t always appeared that way on the surface. Penn has always benefitted record wise playing predominantly 3A-4A schools and with the inception of a 6th class, Penn has been able to avoid Valpo and Snider in most years in the north half of the bracket. Some pretty bad Penn teams have been able to sleepwalk through 6A north sectionals and regionals. 4. likely a level of apathy. I know posters on GID don’t represent entire fan bases, but you alluded earlier that they are non-existent on here. There used to be a ton. I sense a general level of apathy has set in the Penn football program and not sure it’s ever coming back to the level of excellence some are accustomed to seeing.

It has nothing to do with enrollment or spike in % of students with f/r lunch. For sure can tell you that.

Brebeuf has more 1st place votes but ranked 2nd? Hmm

Took 31 up to Culver a few weeks ago. It was a train wreck between 32 and Tipton, one lane both northbound and southbound. And it was one lane up around Rochester. Not sure if that is still the case but I'm guessing 3 hours from Penn to Arlington sounds about right.

Didn't watch any of it but saw 58-0. Thing is, IMG would beat just about anybody in the country 58-0 if they really wanted to. Did they call off the dogs early?

Correct but as an aside I don't believe IMG nor Bishop Sycamore are sanctioned by either of their state's high school governing body.