Will Vouchers affect the Football landscape in Indiana?

[Titan32]

 

https://www.courierpress.com/story/news/local/2025/07/21/how-much-in-vouchers-are-used-at-evansville-area-private-schools/84458212007/?utm_source=pevc-DailyBriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-briefing&utm_term=hero&utm_content=1256VC-E-NLETTER65

 

Southwest Indiana Data:

How much voucher money did local private schools receive?

• Christ the King School had just over 160 kids last school year who received vouchers at a total of $1,071,395.
• Corpus Christi School had more than 170 kids at a total of $1,201,411.
• Evansville Christian School had over 130 students at a total of $889,080.
• Evansville Christian School in Newburgh had more than 720 students using vouchers at a total of $4,789,780.
• Evansville Day School had over 160 kids at a total of $1,103,975.
• Evansville Lutheran School had 152 students at a total of $1,026,419.
• Good Shepherd School had more than 300 kids at a total of $1,961,550.
• Holy Cross School Gibson County had 98 students last year at a total of $552,200.
• Holy Redeemer School had over 230 kids at a total of $1,519,697.
• Holy Rosary School had more than 280 students at a total of $1,860,312.
• Holy Spirit School had over 145 students at a total of $987,067.
• Little Pioneers Academy Warrick County had fewer than 10 students, which means there is no monetary total provided from the state.
• Mater Dei High School had more than 420 students at a total of $2,841,795.
• Newburgh Christian Academy had 31 students at a total of $200,869.
• Reitz Memorial High School had more than 460 students utilizing vouchers at a total of $3,083,107.
• Resurrection School had 293 students at a total of $1,928,694.
• Riverview Adventist Christian Academy had over 30 students at a total of $258,728.
• Saint Benedict Cathedral School had over 230 kids at a total of $1,534,560.06.
• Saint John the Baptist School in Warrick County had over 280 students at a total of $1,836,417.
• Saint James School in Gibson County had 163 students at a total of $929,250.
• Saint Joseph School with more than 125 students at a total of $621,330.
• Saint Joseph School in Gibson County had over 90 students at a total of $584,070.
• Saint Matthew School in Posey County had 61 students at a total of $366,000.
• Saint Philip School Posey County had 146 kids totaling $810,017.
• Saint Wendel School in Posey County had 155 students at a total of $961,595.
• Saints Peter & Paul School in Gibson County had 157 students at a total of $917,175.
• Westside Catholic School had 123 students at a total of $827,658.

[Bullhorn99]

Based on some very haphazard calculations, that still an average of about $13,000-$15,000 per year that a student (parents) would have to pay to attend Memorial or Mater Dei, right?

[tango]

Tuition at Memorial and Mater Dei is the same. It's a little under $10,000 for a student from an assessed parish and about $13,500 if not from an assessed parish.  

[Bullhorn99]

4 hours ago, tango said:

Tuition at Memorial and Mater Dei is the same. It's a little under $10,000 for a student from an assessed parish and about $13,500 if not from an assessed parish.  

Ah, I was looking at the wrong Mater Dei.

[Titan32]

[Muda69]

50 minutes ago, Titan32 said:

Then taxpayer monies for education are following the student, and not always to their geographically boundaried government school corporation.  

Working as intended.  Good. 

 

[Irishman]

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Then taxpayer monies for education are following the student, and not always to their geographically boundaried government school corporation.  

yep, welfare for the rich, along with open segregation....great plan. 

1 hour ago, Muda69 said:

Working as intended.

I agree with this part....but not the "logic" you spouted. The intention is now in the open. 

[foxbat]

2 hours ago, Titan32 said:

Small minority of kids where vouchers make a difference as to whether or not they can move to private education.  For a large number of public kids, the voucher amount isn't enough to make that difference for the move.  Similarly, for a large number that are in the private schools already, this amount is windfall as opposed to necessity to stay.  And if you are special needs, for many, it doesn't really if the amount is enough to cover tuition, because many private schools only handle low-level special needs at best. 

[Muda69]

40 minutes ago, Irishman said:

yep, welfare for the rich, along with open segregation....great plan. 

Actually education taxes are welfare for all, not just the rich.  But you knew that.  

Let's propose a hypothetical and you tell me the logic in this:  A government geographical area school district has 5000 school-aged children in it.  However the families of 500 of those children decide to send them to a private/charter/religious/parochial school instead of the local government school.  Why should the government school corporation still receive taxpayer-funded education dollars for 5000 children instead of 4500?

 

Edited July 22, 2025 by Muda69

[Irishman]

15 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Actually education taxes are welfare for all, not just the rich.  But you knew that.  

Let's propose a hypothetical and you tell me the logic in this:  A government geographical area school district has 5000 school-aged children in it.  However the families of 500 of those children decide to send them to a private/charter/religious/parochial school instead of the local government school.  Why should the government school corporation still receive taxpayer-funded education dollars for 5000 children instead of 4500?

 

Thanks for showing us you really aren’t paying attention to details, especially with how funding works. 

[Muda69]

3 hours ago, Irishman said:

Thanks for showing us you really aren’t paying attention to details, especially with how funding works. 

Then, please, enlighten me.  Then answer my question.

 

[Irishman]

38 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Then, please, enlighten me.  Then answer my question.

 

Been down this road too often with you over a number of years. You choose to remain ill informed, and you choose to openly support segregation, so nope. 

[MHSTigerFan]

17 hours ago, Irishman said:

yep, welfare for the rich, along with open segregation....great plan. 

1) The families using the vouchers pay property taxes too.  So I’d argue that it means they’re getting the intended value from paying them.

 

2) What segregation are you talking about?  Can you expound on that - preferably with some kind of real-world data from Indiana’s program?

Last I looked at it (which admittedly was several years ago) racial minorities were over-represented in the use of the program.  That is, racial minorities represented a higher percentage of voucher users than of the overall state population.

[Muda69]

12 hours ago, Irishman said:

Been down this road too often with you over a number of years. You choose to remain ill informed, and you choose to openly support segregation, so nope. 

Ok. Then I'll just have to take that you support the notion of government school corporations receiving all the taxpayer funded education dollars for every student within it's geographical district, regardless of how many of those students are actually enrolled in that school corporation.   That's called "having your cake and eating it too", a idiom that organizations like the ISTA/NEA at least covertly embrace and support.

As for me "openly supporting segregation", I support a parent's right to choose what kind of education their child receives, and the taxpayer dollars that come with it.  If that is "supporting segregation" then so be it.    I guess in your mind all parents who choose to send their child to a charter, private, or parochial school are "openly supporting segregation" as well.  

 

[Sparty]

Well. I see my comment on segregation was deleted.  Interesting.  Someone else brought up the topic of segregation and I provided a real view of segregation that took place in the last 5 years.  

[Muda69]

37 minutes ago, Sparty said:

Well. I see my comment on segregation was deleted.  Interesting.  Someone else brought up the topic of segregation and I provided a real view of segregation that took place in the last 5 years.  

Things that make you go "hmmmmm".

[Irishman]

3 hours ago, Sparty said:

Well. I see my comment on segregation was deleted.  Interesting.  Someone else brought up the topic of segregation and I provided a real view of segregation that took place in the last 5 years.  

Because it had NOTHING to do with the voucher topic. The rules have not changed since you were last here. I am not going round and round again with you on this. if you want to stay around, then drop it. If not, let me know. You can have at it on Muda's OOB forum all day long. 

[Irishman]

3 hours ago, MHSTigerFan said:

1) The families using the vouchers pay property taxes too.  So I’d argue that it means they’re getting the intended value from paying them.

 

2) What segregation are you talking about?  Can you expound on that - preferably with some kind of real-world data from Indiana’s program?

Last I looked at it (which admittedly was several years ago) racial minorities were over-represented in the use of the program.  That is, racial minorities represented a higher percentage of voucher users than of the overall state population.

Less than half of property tax dollars go to the school corporation. You want your tax dollars to pay for your child, I have no issue with that. But a LOT of other people's tax dollars are paying for it as well. 

If that was the case last time you looked, then it has been a while. Segregation is not just based on race. 8.9% of voucher students are African American, while less than 20% are Hispanic. Most voucher students come from homes with an income of $100K or more. Over 30% come from homes earning more than $150K. So students are segregated based on economics as well. Then there are students on non diploma track; special needs students. Most non public schools will tell parents your child is better off in the public school. It's those students after all, that set the amount per student that schools get. So the value of a voucher is based on the costs related to the students in schools who would never be admitted to a voucher school. There are a number of other students as well who would never be considered when applying to a non public school. Those schools get to pick and choose who gets in and who does not. They also get to choose who stays and who they ask to leave; setting standards that are illegal to have in public schools. 

[Irishman]

3 hours ago, Muda69 said:

 

As for me "openly supporting segregation", I support a parent's right to choose what kind of education their child receives, and the taxpayer dollars that come with it.  If that is "supporting segregation" then so be it.    I guess in your mind all parents who choose to send their child to a charter, private, or parochial school are "openly supporting segregation" as well.  

 

In a previous forum here, you supported a charter school in North Carolina that would not admit non Christians, or would expel students if they found out later they were non Christian. Religious discrimination using tax dollars would be a form a of segregation. Similar case of a school in Arizona that you also defended. So, it really is not the parents choosing, it's the schools that do. 

[Sparty]

2 hours ago, Irishman said:

Because it had NOTHING to do with the voucher topic. The rules have not changed since you were last here. I am not going round and round again with you on this. if you want to stay around, then drop it. If not, let me know. You can have at it on Muda's OOB forum all day long. 

That is fine.  But I was speaking directly about segregation which you brought up.  

[Irishman]

22 minutes ago, Sparty said:

That is fine.  But I was speaking directly about segregation which you brought up.  

But not even close to the context of vouchers; the topic here. 

[Muda69]

2 hours ago, Irishman said:

In a previous forum here, you supported a charter school in North Carolina that would not admit non Christians, or would expel students if they found out later they were non Christian. Religious discrimination using tax dollars would be a form a of segregation. Similar case of a school in Arizona that you also defended. So, it really is not the parents choosing, it's the schools that do. 

Yep, guilty as charged. Although only an idiot, or a parent looking for trouble, would enroll their non-Christian child at a charter school that had such admission requirements. Have you heard of any such event happening here in Indiana?

 

It's not a perfect system, but it's a damn sight better than the government school monopoly that you support.

 

 

[Irishman]

7 minutes ago, Muda69 said:

Yep, guilty as charged. Although only an idiot, or a parent looking for trouble, would enroll their non-Christian child at a charter school that had such admission requirements. Have you heard of any such event happening here in Indiana?

 

It's not a perfect system, but it's a damn sight better than the government school monopoly that you support.

 

 

So, kids never defy their parents? Maybe kids decide they are not Christian because of their parents? Maybe the parents forced the children to attend? There are a number of possible scenarios. Funny that a religious freedom libertarian would support tax dollars going to religious schools. If or when the public system is eliminated (and there is no doubt those deciding policy and funding want that to happen, and suckered people like you into buying into it), that is all you will have left educating students in the country........with tax dollars. Careful what you wish for. 

 

There is no evidence to support your claim of it being a damn sight better. Plenty of evidence to show otherwise though. 

[Muda69]

2 hours ago, Irishman said:

Less than half of property tax dollars go to the school corporation. You want your tax dollars to pay for your child, I have no issue with that. But a LOT of other people's tax dollars are paying for it as well. 

If that was the case last time you looked, then it has been a while. Segregation is not just based on race. 8.9% of voucher students are African American, while less than 20% are Hispanic. Most voucher students come from homes with an income of $100K or more. Over 30% come from homes earning more than $150K. So students are segregated based on economics as well. 

So it is the middle-class/upper-middle-class parents who should be ashamed to user vouchers because they are practicing segregation.  And it is also their fault that African American and Hispanic parents do not want use vouchers.   Got it.

https://www.in.gov/doe/files/Public-School-Digest-2023-2025.pdf

FTD:

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Property Tax: Property tax represents the largest local revenue generator for local units of government and a source of funds for public schools. In 2021, $3.7 billion, or 43% of all property taxes collected, went to public schools. The tax is charged against real property (land and improvements), utilities, and personal property. 

 

 

[Sparty]

24 minutes ago, Irishman said:

But not even close to the context of vouchers; the topic here. 

Ok