Footballking16 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 11 minutes ago, temptation said: Keep crying. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39282077/ncaa-president-says-michigan-earned-football-national-title-fair-square Wanna place another OSU/UM bet? You're due to win one of them... Still awaiting that reckoning you've been promising since 2021. You're free to wager on your Super Bowl however you see fit. Some of us have seasons that extend past November. 1 2 Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 34 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: You're free to wager on your Super Bowl however you see fit. Some of us have seasons that extend past November. We all can't have PURDUE as our mail rival. Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 1 hour ago, temptation said: Apparently the NCAA disagreed. Where was that supposed "hammer" I kept hearing about? Back to my other point, IU is 500 wins and 12 national titles behind Michigan. Gonna be a long road before I take what any Hoosier fan (spoiler: most of you didn't know IU HAD a football team prior to 2024) has to say seriously. Set your goals high though, seriously. Quit living in the past. Does you no good. Michigan apparently is still recruiting at a very high level, why can’t they win with Moore? They certainly are recruiting better than “lowly” IU. What’s the excuse? You know, two years of Moore and two years IU is clearly better than Michigan. Michigan has better recruiting, better players, better facilities, wait for it, terrible coaching… Just like Penn State hanging on to Big game James several years too long, I hope Michigan holds onto Moore. Inept at best. Enjoy the middle of the Big 10 Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 32 minutes ago, temptation said: We all can't have PURDUE as our mail rival. IU will hold the claim to have the best win in the entire country, at Oregon. Oh yeah, Big 10 teams were winless playing at Oregon before Indiana… Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Komets2727 said: Quit living in the past. Does you no good. Michigan apparently is still recruiting at a very high level, why can’t they win with Moore? They certainly are recruiting better than “lowly” IU. What’s the excuse? You know, two years of Moore and two years IU is clearly better than Michigan. Michigan has better recruiting, better players, better facilities, wait for it, terrible coaching… Just like Penn State hanging on to Big game James several years too long, I hope Michigan holds onto Moore. Inept at best. Enjoy the middle of the Big 10 1.5 years of Moore. QB is 18 years old. Lost @ Oklahoma and USC...two tough enviornments. Now do Texas, Penn State, Clemson and Florida State. This was always a developmental year for Michigan. Still calling 9-3. Moore gets 3 years...as any coach should. Edited October 15, 2025 by temptation Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 1 minute ago, temptation said: 1.5 years of Moore. QB is 18 years old. Lost @ Oklahoma and USC...two tough enviornments. Now do Texas, Penn State, Clemson and Florida State. This was always a developmental year for Michigan. Still calling 9-3. Moore gets 3 years...as any coach should. You mean got blown out at USC? Transitive property that you love coming: Michigan loses by 18 at USC, who lost at Illinois, who, wait for it, lost by 53 points?! to Indiana… You are making my point for me. You mean the best Michigan can do is run out an 18 year old QB that was a 4 or 5 star recruit? The shame!!! What 5 star recruit does IU have? I am literally shaking my head that you bring up USC as a tough environment. Wow, how the mighty have fallen… Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 39 minutes ago, Komets2727 said: You mean got blown out at USC? Transitive property that you love coming: Michigan loses by 18 at USC, who lost at Illinois, who, wait for it, lost by 53 points?! to Indiana… You are making my point for me. You mean the best Michigan can do is run out an 18 year old QB that was a 4 or 5 star recruit? The shame!!! What 5 star recruit does IU have? I am literally shaking my head that you bring up USC as a tough environment. Wow, how the mighty have fallen… Location, location, location. Especially in college and especially for an 18 year old QB (just turned 18 6 weeks ago actually)... Big Ten teams traveling to the west coast historically have poor records, though IU and OSU (clearly the best two teams in the B10) have bucked that trend thus far. If they lose this weekend, I'll be concerned. Washington is no gimme. And LOL, at poo pooing having a starting QB with 6,000 career passing yards and nearly 50 career TD passes. Why do you hate Michigan so much? Why are they living rent free in your head? Is it their 58-11 all-time record vs IU? Has Notre Dame fallen? Same record...haven't won a natty since I was in elementary school. Your agenda is...interesting. Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 57 minutes ago, temptation said: Location, location, location. Especially in college and especially for an 18 year old QB (just turned 18 6 weeks ago actually)... Big Ten teams traveling to the west coast historically have poor records, though IU and OSU (clearly the best two teams in the B10) have bucked that trend thus far. If they lose this weekend, I'll be concerned. Washington is no gimme. And LOL, at poo pooing having a starting QB with 6,000 career passing yards and nearly 50 career TD passes. Why do you hate Michigan so much? Why are they living rent free in your head? Is it their 58-11 all-time record vs IU? Has Notre Dame fallen? Same record...haven't won a natty since I was in elementary school. Your agenda is...interesting. Nah, I bash Notre Dame any chance I get. Overrated every year, top 10 recruiting class every year, laughable easy schedule every year. As usual, you avoid addressing the factual statements I make and twist and turn the conversation elsewhere. You enjoy the catbird seat a lot, taking potshots when you can at certain teams and such, but man, when the shoe is on the other foot and someone points out your team’s flaws it is bail city for you. You can’t defend Michigan one bit for the last 2 years, all under Moore’s realm of care, instead you point to other teams, talk about an 18 year old 5 star QB being in over his head, and this magic 3 year window. Where was the 3 year window for Brian Callahan at Tennessee in the NFL? He got 21 games before the plug was pulled. 8 college coaches I believe have been fired already this year with several more to come, probably starting with Fickell at Wisconsin. My agenda is factual… Edited October 15, 2025 by Komets2727 Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 Just now, Komets2727 said: Nah, I bash Notre Dame any chance I get. Overrated every year, top 10 recruiting class every year, laughable easy schedule every year. As usual, you avoid addressing the factual statements I make and twist and turn the conversation elsewhere. You enjoy the catbird seat a lot, taking potshots when you can at certain teams and such, but man, when the shoe is on the other foot and someone points out your team’s flaws it is bail city for you. You can’t defend Michigan one bit for the last 2 years, all under Moore’s realm of care, instead you point to other teams, talk about an 18 year old 5 star QB being in over his head, and this magic 3 year window. Where was the 3 year window for Brian Callahan at Tennessee in the NFL? He got 21 games before the plug was pulled. 8 college coaches I believe have been fired already this year with several more to come, probably starting with Fickell at Wisconsin. Factual statement: The preseason Vegas O/U on Michigan was 8.5. If national championships are the standard then I guess your "mighty have fallen" statement is accurate. They are currently sitting at 4-2 and will be favored in 5 of their last 6 games. My team has a lot of flaws but I am not jumping off of a bridge. No rational fan is giving a head coach less than 3 years unless bowl ineligibility becomes a possibility. If Michigan navigates these next 5 games as expected (once again Washington is no gimme) they will enter Thanksgiving weekend at 9-2 with everything to play for. They could very well end up anywhere from 8-4 to 10-2, but I am stuck on 9-3. A bit of a disappointment but not all than unexpected. And you can call it what you want but this is obviously personal for you. Otherwise, why pinpoint Michigan? Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, Penn State and Florida State are all vastly underachieving based on preseason expectations. But you chose the winningest program in college football history to throw shade upon. Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 12 minutes ago, temptation said: Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, Penn State and Florida State are all vastly underachieving based on preseason expectations. How many smug Notre Dame, Clemson, Penn State and Florida State fans post on here that defend a massive well-orchestrated cheating scandal from top to bottom? If they did, they'd get the same treatment. 1 2 Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 8 minutes ago, temptation said: Factual statement: The preseason Vegas O/U on Michigan was 8.5. If national championships are the standard then I guess your "mighty have fallen" statement is accurate. They are currently sitting at 4-2 and will be favored in 5 of their last 6 games. My team has a lot of flaws but I am not jumping off of a bridge. No rational fan is giving a head coach less than 3 years unless bowl ineligibility becomes a possibility. If Michigan navigates these next 5 games as expected (once again Washington is no gimme) they will enter Thanksgiving weekend at 9-2 with everything to play for. They could very well end up anywhere from 8-4 to 10-2, but I am stuck on 9-3. A bit of a disappointment but not all than unexpected. And you can call it what you want but this is obviously personal for you. Otherwise, why pinpoint Michigan? Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, Penn State and Florida State are all vastly underachieving based on preseason expectations. But you chose the winningest program in college football history to throw shade upon. Just remembering some of your statements from last year that 2024 was Moore’s first year and he gets a pass and that 2025 will be the year to see it all come to fruition. You are right, Michigan is a blue blood, minus multiple national titles in the last 40 years. Maybe that makes them an aqua blood… Personally, I got nothing against Michigan, not my favorite team, but I dislike many other teams more than them. I generally root for Big 10 teams when they play outside of the conference. I just find it hilarious your spin control when it comes to Michigan. Excuse, excuse, and more excuses. Your QB excuse is classic. Lowly Indiana is able to get Rourke last year and follows up with Mendoza this year and what does a top 10 program every single year get for QB1 in back to back years? That is the best you can do? Why didn’t Michigan get Rourke? Or Mendoza? Or Beck? Especially to save an 18 year old QB 5 star recruit from rigors of college football. You tell me, two years in a row… Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 6 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: How many smug Notre Dame, Clemson, Penn State and Florida State fans post on here that defend a massive well-orchestrated cheating scandal from top to bottom? If they did, they'd get the same treatment. Whether you like it or not Temp, lots of truth in this statement… 1 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Footballking16 said: How many smug Notre Dame, Clemson, Penn State and Florida State fans post on here that defend a massive well-orchestrated cheating scandal from top to bottom? If they did, they'd get the same treatment. Don't listen to my defense...I provided the NCAA (you know, the only ones that actually matter in this conversation) link above. You are just repeating boring, trite talking points. Can you tell me what strategic advantage this "massive well-orchestrated cheating scandal" provided? The NCAA sure as hell couldn't. Squeaky clean. Deal with it. Edited October 15, 2025 by temptation 1 Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 4 minutes ago, temptation said: Don't listen to my defense...I provided the NCAA (you know, the only ones that actually matter in this conversation) link above. Squeaky clean. Deal with it. The NCAA is spineless. Tell me something we don't all know. Squeaky clean? The 14 year banishment your old ball coach just received says otherwise. Not too mention all the self-imposed suspensions spanning multiple seasons for multiple coaches. You cheated to win a title after being Ohio State's whipping boy for two decades. Congratulations. Now back to being a 2nd rate B10 school just as you have been for the better part if yours and my lifetime. Edited October 15, 2025 by Footballking16 1 1 Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 2 minutes ago, temptation said: Don't listen to my defense...I provided the NCAA (you know, the only ones that actually matter in this conversation) link above. Squeaky clean. Deal with it. Head coach being suspended is squeaky clean? Basically, unable to coach again at the college level squeaky clean? Just cause = squeaky clean? Whatever helps you sleep my man… 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Komets2727 said: Head coach being suspended is squeaky clean? Basically, unable to coach again at the college level squeaky clean? Just cause = squeaky clean? Whatever helps you sleep my man… TWO in a row against Ohio State AND Bama WITHOUT Stallions...lol. Explain that. I'm sleeping like a baby by the way. Edited October 15, 2025 by temptation Quote
Bash Riprock Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 1 hour ago, temptation said: Don't listen to my defense...I provided the NCAA (you know, the only ones that actually matter in this conversation) link above. You are just repeating boring, trite talking points. Can you tell me what strategic advantage this "massive well-orchestrated cheating scandal" provided? The NCAA sure as hell couldn't. Squeaky clean. Deal with it. Delusional....guess in your case, ignorance is bliss..... https://www.si.com/college-football/ncaa-hammers-michigan-jim-harbaugh-most-penalized-cheater-connor-stalions Friday, six years and a national championship removed from his time looking down on the rule breakers in college football, Harbaugh officially became one of the most-penalized cheaters in the sport’s history. The NCAA Committee on Infractions ruled that Harbaugh committed major rules violations and delivered a 10-year show-cause penalty to the former coach of the Wolverines in the Connor Stalions affair, one of the more bizarre capers in college football annals. But that 10-year sanction doesn’t even take effect until after Harbaugh’s current four-year show-cause penalty expires for a different set of rules violations. Thus Harbaugh is facing show-cause rulings that would make him difficult to hire as a college coach prior to Aug. 7, 2038. Jeremy Pruitt, Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl look like Ivy Leaguers compared to Harbs. “Harbaugh ran a program that was largely dismissive of rules compliance,” the COI infractions report stated. “There was little, if any, emphasis on following the rules. To the contrary, his program saw compliance as the enemy, made their own decisions regarding interpreting rules to their benefit, or outright committed rules violations.” Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Delusional....guess in your case, ignorance is bliss..... https://www.si.com/college-football/ncaa-hammers-michigan-jim-harbaugh-most-penalized-cheater-connor-stalions Friday, six years and a national championship removed from his time looking down on the rule breakers in college football, Harbaugh officially became one of the most-penalized cheaters in the sport’s history. The NCAA Committee on Infractions ruled that Harbaugh committed major rules violations and delivered a 10-year show-cause penalty to the former coach of the Wolverines in the Connor Stalions affair, one of the more bizarre capers in college football annals. But that 10-year sanction doesn’t even take effect until after Harbaugh’s current four-year show-cause penalty expires for a different set of rules violations. Thus Harbaugh is facing show-cause rulings that would make him difficult to hire as a college coach prior to Aug. 7, 2038. Jeremy Pruitt, Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl look like Ivy Leaguers compared to Harbs. “Harbaugh ran a program that was largely dismissive of rules compliance,” the COI infractions report stated. “There was little, if any, emphasis on following the rules. To the contrary, his program saw compliance as the enemy, made their own decisions regarding interpreting rules to their benefit, or outright committed rules violations.” "Hammers", lol. Honestly didn't know SI still existed... I was told vacated wins, postseason bans and other sanctions were all but guaranteed. Seems it was a Playskool hammer. Still avoiding the competitive advantage it supposedly provided. The messageboard sleuths seem to know more than the committe on infractions/NCAA huh? Edited October 15, 2025 by temptation Quote
Footballking16 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 10 minutes ago, temptation said: "Hammers", lol. Honestly didn't know SI still existed... I was told vacated wins, postseason bans and other sanctions were all but guaranteed. Seems it was a Playskool hammer. Still avoiding the competitive advantage it supposedly provided. The messageboard sleuths seem to know more than the committe on infractions/NCAA huh? The NCAA not having a backbone doesn't negate the fact that Harbaugh is the most heavily penalized cheater in the history of the sport. Quote
Bash Riprock Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 8 minutes ago, temptation said: "Hammers", lol. Honestly didn't know SI still existed... I was told vacated wins, postseason bans and other sanctions were all but guaranteed. Seems it was a Playskool hammer. Still avoiding the competitive advantage it supposedly provided. The messageboard sleuths seem to know more than the committe on infractions/NCAA huh? Squeaky clean......🤪 Delusional Direct from NCAA. https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/8/15/media-center-overwhelming-evidence-shows-impermissible-scouting-scheme-in-michigan-football-program.aspx Over the course of three seasons, the Michigan football program committed violations involving an off-campus, in-person scouting scheme, impermissible recruiting inducements and communications, head coach responsibility rules, individuals' failures to cooperate and Michigan's failure to monitor, according to a decision released by a Division I Committee on Infractions panel. The scouting violations orchestrated by former football staff member Connor Stalions were corroborated by interview testimonies, ticket receipts and transfer data and other evidence. Those violations, along with former head football coach Jim Harbaugh's head coach responsibility violation and most of the failure to cooperate violations, are Level I. The recruiting violations, then-assistant football coach (and current head football coach) Sherrone Moore's failure to cooperate violation and Michigan's failure to monitor violation are Level II. Two involved individuals — former assistant football coaches Jesse Minter and Steve Clinkscale — agreed to violations and penalties associated with their actions in agreements approved by the committee via the negotiated resolution process. Quote
Komets2727 Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 10 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Squeaky clean......🤪 Delusional Direct from NCAA. https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/8/15/media-center-overwhelming-evidence-shows-impermissible-scouting-scheme-in-michigan-football-program.aspx Over the course of three seasons, the Michigan football program committed violations involving an off-campus, in-person scouting scheme, impermissible recruiting inducements and communications, head coach responsibility rules, individuals' failures to cooperate and Michigan's failure to monitor, according to a decision released by a Division I Committee on Infractions panel. The scouting violations orchestrated by former football staff member Connor Stalions were corroborated by interview testimonies, ticket receipts and transfer data and other evidence. Those violations, along with former head football coach Jim Harbaugh's head coach responsibility violation and most of the failure to cooperate violations, are Level I. The recruiting violations, then-assistant football coach (and current head football coach) Sherrone Moore's failure to cooperate violation and Michigan's failure to monitor violation are Level II. Two involved individuals — former assistant football coaches Jesse Minter and Steve Clinkscale — agreed to violations and penalties associated with their actions in agreements approved by the committee via the negotiated resolution process. Temp, apparently real evidence means nothing to you so sleep like a baby if you choose. Michigan would seem to fit in well with the SEC cheaters down South. Hell, every one of their fans would swear their school didn’t cheat either contrary to the evidence… You are right about one thing, the NCAA is spineless, they have overlooked the SEC cheating for years. If it were me, I wouldn’t want that tainted championship that Michigan cheated to get, but hey if your personal ethics allow it who am I to say anything… or the other people on this forum with a brain and reading comprehension that has been provided that clearly call out Cheatbaugh, er Harbaugh and his cheating ways… Remind me again, what has Michigan done since he “left on his own”. Oh yeah, they have been surpassed 2 years in a row by Indiana with 35-45 recruiting ranking while Michigan is in the top 10. Hmmm, the FBI calls that a clue Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Komets2727 said: Temp, apparently real evidence means nothing to you so sleep like a baby if you choose. Michigan would seem to fit in well with the SEC cheaters down South. Hell, every one of their fans would swear their school didn’t cheat either contrary to the evidence… You are right about one thing, the NCAA is spineless, they have overlooked the SEC cheating for years. If it were me, I wouldn’t want that tainted championship that Michigan cheated to get, but hey if your personal ethics allow it who am I to say anything… or the other people on this forum with a brain and reading comprehension that has been provided that clearly call out Cheatbaugh, er Harbaugh and his cheating ways… Remind me again, what has Michigan done since he “left on his own”. Oh yeah, they have been surpassed 2 years in a row by Indiana with 35-45 recruiting ranking while Michigan is in the top 10. Hmmm, the FBI calls that a clue 1. Lost 17 players to the draft/UFA after the title, including their QB who announced THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY so they had no portal options at the most important position on the field. 2. Defeated Ohio State and Alabama AGAIN without the supposed "sign stealer" on staff. 3. You are puposefully being disingenuous with your IU "recruiting ranking" as they signed one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the portal. Having a 22 year old experienced guy at the most important position on the field, is kind of important. Why can't you just celebrate Indiana's success independent of Michigan? Do you really think its a flex that IU is better than Michigan in 2025? Strange times for "IU football fans." Edited October 15, 2025 by temptation Quote
Bash Riprock Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 34 minutes ago, temptation said: 1. Lost 17 players to the draft/UFA after the title, including their QB who announced THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY so they had no portal options at the most important position on the field. 2. Defeated Ohio State and Alabama AGAIN without the supposed "sign stealer" on staff. 3. You are puposefully being disingenuous with your IU "recruiting ranking" as they signed one of the top 5 quarterbacks in the portal. Having a 22 year old experienced guy at the most important position on the field, is kind of important. Why can't you just celebrate Indiana's success independent of Michigan? Do you really think its a flex that IU is better than Michigan in 2025? Strange times for "IU football fans." Deflecting Michigan's sins...... Can't one do both...celebrate a season of a program's success while pointing out the scandals and cheating at another institution? Quote
Coach Nowlin Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 1 hour ago, temptation said: "Hammers", lol. Honestly didn't know SI still existed... I was told vacated wins, postseason bans and other sanctions were all but guaranteed. Seems it was a Playskool hammer. Still avoiding the competitive advantage it supposedly provided. The messageboard sleuths seem to know more than the committe on infractions/NCAA huh? Anyone who has paid attention knew vacated wins and post season bans were not on the table because the NCAA is in too deep and the MONEY and PEOPLE behind MONEY, like....ESPN for instance and NIKE/JUMPMAN as well was too much for the NCAA to stand up to. 1 Quote
temptation Posted October 15, 2025 Posted October 15, 2025 23 minutes ago, Bash Riprock said: Deflecting Michigan's sins...... Can't one do both...celebrate a season of a program's success while pointing out the scandals and cheating at another institution? Not even on the schedule this year but living rent free… Trash talk Purdue, MSU and Illinois… Your “rivals.” Quote
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