Muda69 Posted March 11, 2019 Author Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, gonzoron said: Ok, I can tell when I'm not wanted somewhere. Enjoy your continued conversation with those other voices in your head. Good Day! Thank you for your support.
BARRYOSAMA Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Muda69 said: Thank you for your support. And another convo devolved into a mind numbing, ad hominem, straw man, goal post shifting cesspool. Thanks for staying true to your school. #MyManMuda 2 1 1
Muda69 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Posted March 12, 2019 14 hours ago, BARRYOSAMA said: And another convo devolved into a mind numbing, ad hominem, straw man, goal post shifting cesspool. Thanks for staying true to your school. #MyManMuda Thank you for your support, NightHawk. 1
BARRYOSAMA Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, swordfish said: 20-30 million buffalo in North America in the early 1800s Over 90 million cattle in USA 12 million in Canada 15 million in Mexico Fascist meme fail 1
foxbat Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, BARRYOSAMA said: 20-30 million buffalo in North America in the early 1800s Over 90 million cattle in USA 12 million in Canada 15 million in Mexico Fascist meme fail Turning Point tells you all you need to know with the meme. It's about distraction. If their car was leaking oil, transmission fluid, brake fluid, and anti-freeze all over the street and you made the mistake of stating water in your statement to them to clean it up, they'd spend the next week talking about how you think cars run on water and how you don't know anything about cars.
Muda69 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Posted March 18, 2019 How do we know for certain how many Buffalo were living in North America prior to the Industrial Revolution? How do scientists and/or historians even come up with a ballpark figure?
gonzoron Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Great to see that SF and Troj are 'pro-cow farts'.
BARRYOSAMA Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, TrojanDad said: I see on the buffalo figures you stopped at the first source from your Google search. Keep reading....you may just find some other sources that align with the 60 million. But I do understand you got the number you wanted. https://www.vorebuffalojump.org/pdf/VBJF buffalo population and crash.pdf Looks like phys.org feels differently....and I don't think they are considered a fascist type organization https://phys.org/news/2018-10-meat-affects-environment-cows-climate.html Chicken Little sky is falling response to meme while labeling someone with a differing perspective fail I looked at several sources. The consensus is 20-30 million. Your one outlier appears to be drawn from data collected in the 1920s doesn't change my mind. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/11258/10531 I am only calling into question the fake facts the meme displays. I made no mention of how I thought cows affect the climate. Your attempt to paint me as anti cow is a fail every bit as bad as the fascist meme.
foxbat Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: How do we know for certain how many Buffalo were living in North America prior to the Industrial Revolution? How do scientists and/or historians even come up with a ballpark figure? https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/11258/10531 https://www.vorebuffalojump.org/pdf/VBJF buffalo population and crash.pdf @BARRYOSAMA and @TrojanDad sources both give an indication of this. 1 hour ago, TrojanDad said: I see on the buffalo figures you stopped at the first source from your Google search. Keep reading....you may just find some other sources that align with the 60 million. But I do understand you got the number you wanted. https://www.vorebuffalojump.org/pdf/VBJF buffalo population and crash.pdf Looks like phys.org feels differently....and I don't think they are considered a fascist type organization https://phys.org/news/2018-10-meat-affects-environment-cows-climate.html Chicken Little sky is falling response to meme while labeling someone with a differing perspective fail The meme is still way off and misleading as Turning Point USA's stuff typically is. Even if you take 60 million for buffalo ... which has some issues in calculation, it's off on the fact that the US has some 90 million+ cattle ... which means that Turning Point USA's numbers are off the mark by more than 100% of their stated amount ... where they focus only on one aspect of cattle in the US beef/dairy cows. As such, cattle today outnumber buffalo at their peak, even with generous numbers, by over 50%.
BARRYOSAMA Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 34 minutes ago, TrojanDad said: LOL!! that wasn't one outlier. TD is throwing the BS flag on you!! You cited one source that appeared to quoting a source from 1929. Every other source I saw said between 20-30 million. Your citation is by definition, an outlier. What the heck does "directionally correct" mean? Sounds like "alternative facts". If you agree with the message, the hell with the facts. 45 minutes ago, TrojanDad said: Are they credibly a source to cause damage to the environment? I provided a pretty credible source that claims they are not, which I interpret aligns with the true intended message of the meme. I don't think many people ever thought bison outnumbered cattle. That is not what your article says at all. The title of your article literally says that the livestock industry affects the environment. Dr. Mitloehner provides data that says it does not have the level the affect some previous studies had reported (Several other scientists have real problems with his methods) but nonetheless he ends his article by saying: "Climate change demands urgent attention, and the livestock industry has a large overall environmental footprint that affects air, water and land. These, combined with a rapidly rising world population, give us plenty of compelling reasons to continue to work for greater efficiencies in animal agriculture. I believe the place to start is with science-based facts." AOC would agree. Dr. Mitloehner, the author of article you cited has his work critiqued in this study: https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-a-livable-future/_pdf/about_us/FSPP/letter-policymakers/20160512_Mitloehner_Response12.pdf 1
foxbat Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, TrojanDad said: First off...its a meme....I think most of us know not to take meme's too seriously. The question is to whether the meme itself is directionally correct with its point. At the end of the day, wasn't it intended to poke some fun at the Green Deal and those that target livestock? Bottom line, cows and bison have been around a long, long time. Are they credibly a source to cause damage to the environment? I provided a pretty credible source that claims they are not, which I interpret aligns with the true intended message of the meme. I don't think many people ever thought bison outnumbered cattle. Fox, love the figures...but you are working too hard on this one. Research isn't working hard. It's pretty standard to what I do in all aspects of things that I do. Plenty of training in it and it comes fairly easily/naturally for me.
Muda69 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Posted March 19, 2019 12 hours ago, foxbat said: Research isn't working hard. It's pretty standard to what I do in all aspects of things that I do. Plenty of training in it and it comes fairly easily/naturally for me. Do you ever suffer from analysis paralysis? 1
foxbat Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Muda69 said: Do you ever suffer from analysis paralysis? Nope.
Muda69 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Posted March 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, foxbat said: Nope. You truly are a Renaissance Man. 1
foxbat Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Muda69 said: You truly are a Renaissance Man. Not being prone to paralysis by analysis hardly makes one a Renaissance Man.
Muda69 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, foxbat said: Not being prone to paralysis by analysis hardly makes one a Renaissance Man. Correct, but it is just one part of the equation.
gonzoron Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: You truly are a Renaissance Man. I'm more of a Honky Tonk Man
BARRYOSAMA Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 The evidence is that the meme is directionally incorrect. 1 1
Muda69 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Posted March 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, TrojanDad said: Hey BarryO, DE, and Gonzo! Not just the cows in focus now. Squeeze those cheeks and hold it in....if not, you just may be targeted..... Showed this to my spouse. She just rolled her eyes then let loose with a good loud crackler. I was impressed. 1
swordfish Posted March 21, 2019 Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Muda69 said: Showed this to my spouse. She just rolled her eyes then let loose with a good loud crackler. I was impressed. She told you what's up....... 1
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