DK_Barons Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 hours ago, foxbat said: The road or Katie? Lord, I apologize for that. neither, Sluts Holler.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Barons Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 These just belong together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swordfish Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not a falsehood in this meme....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 53 minutes ago, swordfish said: Not a falsehood in this meme....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gonzoron Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, swordfish said: Not a falsehood in this meme....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabash82 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 20 hours ago, DK_Barons said: These just belong together. Technically, it's a punctuation problem, not bad grammar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 22 hours ago, Wabash82 said: Technically, it's a punctuation problem, not bad grammar.... Hmm, so when was punctuation no longer considered a part of the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabash82 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, DK_Barons said: Hmm, so when was punctuation no longer considered a part of the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general? 😉 I don't think there was such a time. But the words as written (and punctuated) on the sign are not grammatically incorrect -- they make out an intelligible statement in "correct" English grammar. (Indeed, that is precisely what makes the sign funny/ironic). But the words don't convey the meaning that the person (presumably) intended because of a punctuation problem (misplacement of the exclamation point.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Wabash82 said: I don't think there was such a time. But the words as written (and punctuated) on the sign are not grammatically incorrect -- they make out an intelligible statement in "correct" English grammar. (Indeed, that is precisely what makes the sign funny/ironic). But the words don't convey the meaning that the person (presumably) intended because of a punctuation problem (misplacement of the exclamation point.) I don't disagree that the error is one of punctuation, but punctuation is a subset of grammar, thus it is also a grammatical error as stated. Grammar is "the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general". It includes many subtopics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Here's one where spelling/capitalization makes a big difference. ...also considered a grammatical error if you intended one but penned the other. Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my Uncle Jack off a horse. verses Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my uncle jack off a horse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Now that is an innovative sales lady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabash82 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, DK_Barons said: Here's one where spelling/capitalization makes a big difference. ...also considered a grammatical error if you intended one but penned the other. Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my Uncle Jack off a horse. verses Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my uncle jack off a horse. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/309281/do-capitalization-and-punctuation-fall-under-the-category-of-grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Wabash82 said: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/309281/do-capitalization-and-punctuation-fall-under-the-category-of-grammar This seems like an odd place to get into a serious discussion on these topics. Those opinions in the provided link are not anything I haven't seen before, I happen to be on the other side of the fence though. I will admit there isn't really a "correct" answer. Many people consider mechanics to be part of the broad topic of grammar also. In which case saying something is a part of mechanics is also saying it is a part of grammar in general. Some consider the overall topic of punctuation a part of mechanics while others do not. The opinion represented in the provided link usually stems from an argument along the lines of this: It doesn't matter whether the first letter of a sentence is capitalized or not so far as the meaning of the sentence, Which I concede is pretty accurate. Based on that the conclusion drawn is the one that therefore capitalization is not grammatical in the sense clarity. In fact, in the spoken language we wouldn't know if a capital letter was present or not. But the silly joke I provided does clearly show in the written language how a couple capital letters can make a big difference in the connotation of the two sentences. This and other examples like it form the other side of the argument that capitals can and do provide clarity and enhance or provide meaning and thus must also be a category of grammar. The rules for things like capitalization have changed just in my lifetime let alone over many more generations. In fact, they are changing today. I read an interesting article on that topic not too long ago. I recently finished a book I was writing for my lodge on its history as it approaches its 200th anniversary. I compiled several past histories, the oldest was written in the 1850s. I transcribed each as is, but after doing so and reading them over a few times I decided to take liberties with the original works and updated a number of things such as capitalization, punctuation and even some basic word structure to match current conventions. I tried to stay true to the original with my edits while easing the readability for the audience. I cited them as transcribed and noted the types of alterations I made and left the reader the locations of the original works if they are interested. My point is in language things are constantly changing and as they change disagreements exist even among the experts in the field. I prefer teaching in my field, mathematics. One might think you would not have the above issue with a topic like math but that would be far from the truth. This is one University's English Dept.'s list of the subtopics of grammar, but another's list could, may, and most likely will vary. Syntax and Sentence Structure Comma Splices, Run-ons, and Fragments Subject-Verb Agreement Verbs Verb Tense Nouns and Pronouns Preposition Usage Articles Commonly Confused Words General Punctuation Comma Usage Semicolon and Colon Usage Possessives Hyphens and Dashes Quotation Marks Parenthesis and Ellipses Mechanics ...BACK TO THE FUNNIES NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foxbat Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 hours ago, DK_Barons said: Here's one where spelling/capitalization makes a big difference. ...also considered a grammatical error if you intended one but penned the other. Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my Uncle Jack off a horse. verses Coach Nowlin was out in the barn helping my uncle jack off a horse. I thought @Coach Nowlin was allergic to horses. Lord, and @Coach Nowlin,I apologize for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 hours ago, DK_Barons said: The opinion represented in the provided link usually stems from an argument along the lines of this: It doesn't matter whether the first letter of a sentence is capitalized or not so far as the meaning of the sentence, Which I concede is pretty accurate. Based on that the conclusion drawn is the one that therefore capitalization is not grammatical in the sense clarity. In fact, in the spoken language we wouldn't know if a capital letter was present or not. But the silly joke I provided does clearly show in the written language how a couple capital letters can make a big difference in the connotation of the two sentences. This and other examples like it form the other side of the argument that capitals can and do provide clarity and enhance or provide meaning and thus must also be a category of grammar. The rules for things like capitalization have changed just in my lifetime let alone over many more generations. In fact, they are changing today. I read an interesting article on that topic not too long ago. I have a co-worker WHO USES NOTHING BUT CAPITAL LETTERS IN ALL THEIR EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE, EVEN USING PRETTY COLORS FROM TIME TO TIME. It's annoying, but they won't change their ways. Something about being ex-military.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swordfish Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, gonzoron said: Yep - hook, line and sinker...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DK_Barons Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Muda69 said: I have a co-worker WHO USES NOTHING BUT CAPITAL LETTERS IN ALL THEIR EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE, EVEN USING PRETTY COLORS FROM TIME TO TIME. It's annoying, but they won't change their ways. Something about being ex-military.................. Computers have greatly changed mechanics too and at a quicker pace than any other time in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muda69 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, DK_Barons said: Computers have greatly changed mechanics too and at a quicker pace than any other time in history. Agreed. I've been working in the technology and software field for almost 30 years. My first job was doing COBOL & PL/1 programming using an IBM 3270 terminal, aka "the boat anchor". It looked like this: You could kill somebody with that keyboard, it was made of steel....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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