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At the risk of upsetting and/or placing those of you whom I have known for years in an "uncomfortable situation". I've tried my best to NOT comment on this situation. As we deal with 'education based athletics', it is apparent to THIS man; A focus on the totality of AMERICAN HISTORY and how it has been given a pass that has never taught in any way that has given any focus on the individuals/races/societies that have been the brunt of the inequality of the "American Ethos" at any time other than 2 short lived times in American History (Reconstruction and 1965-1980), an approach with our educational system that could perhaps EDUCATE our children on the reasons why certain activities, utterances, and behaviors need to be a part of the reason that we as "Americans" need to understand that we are a UNIQUE society in today's world. I have always been surprised at the multi-racial composition of the children in the State of Indiana. When I began this thing called "officiating" I can recall being at sites where I was the ONLY minority at the contest. Today, that almost NEVER happens! And I only see UNIFORMS....not the racial component of the players. If I ever do that, then that will be the day I quit! I can promise you that!!!! On a personal level: Ask yourselves... Do YOU know, I mean KNOW an individual of a race/culture/sexual-persuasion in a deeply person level.? If not, then you only are an acquaintance! Once you can understand the personal feelings and reasons that they may differ from your beliefs, and the ACCEPT those and STILL be a friend...only at that time can you truly (in your heart and soul) be a person that is in eyes of the Lord and Savior, a person that is understanding and acceptable of ALL God's Children. The young man from Center Grove, (IMO) is not indicative of that program, School Corporation or anything else related in anyway/shape or form. But to also think that there are not some individuals within the Westfield community who also may have the same thoughts BEYOND their support for the Shamrocks, is foolish. We are ALL better than this in 2021... This young man has ruined his current situation, and perhaps things beyond that. That is a fact. But please, let's not devolve into a "Holier Than Though" situation that has no answers to what we should all hope for as Hoosiers, and Americans! Seek iout those that are not within your preview, and understand their lives/situations/experiences. You might find that they are a lot like you. Just my .02 From the bottom of my heart.....

Shhhhhhhhh!

Quoting this to share again. The generalized comment by @DanteEstonia is exactly the kind of nonsense we will avoid here. It served no purpose in the conversation whatsoever. The guidelines were clear, as were the consequences. As far as Gonzo's comment, my first thought was that the pictures in the story showed other kids on the bus, and the fact that one other kid took the picture. I did not take his comment to mean that others did the black face thing. From hearing from others, I also do not believe that he implied the coaches or adults on the bus knew of it happening or allowed it. Every program has its share of knuckleheads. The hope for each of us is that our knuckleheads don't do something that ends up on social media. @Grover thank you for sharing the posts about the young men in the program. I have no doubt that Coach Moore and his staff do things the right way, and that this will be no exception in how they handle this teachable moment. What does get lost in the story is the response by Popeye Williams; a very classy response to a difficult thing to see. The stories about the CG players reaching out to him as well deserves to be mentioned as well; props to those young men.

Tell us what you know @DanteEstonia. Educate us. You've got nothing. While I'm at it, @gonzoron I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that it was more than one kid. If you are simply saying that because there were other kids on the bus then say that. Your comment reads like there were other kids who painted their faces black. There wasn't and you know it. Your moral turpitude leads you to come here and trash a community and a football program because they are better than you are or ever were. Get over yourself. This thread has no business on this forum. I thought GID was better than this.

I think leaving Jasper out is a mistake. I’d put us above Southridge and behind Heritage Hills. I’d put Memorial at the top and Reitz and MD up there as well. Hopefully the move to the SIAC will help us come tournament time in the future. Is there a more accomplished coach in the state than Mike Goebel? I wrestled against those state championship wrestling teams and holy crap. I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during those practices to see exactly how he did it. I think leaving Jasper out is a mistake. I’d put us above Southridge and behind Heritage Hills. I’d put Memorial at the top and Reitz and MD up there as well. Hopefully the move to the SIAC will help us come tournament time in the future. Is there a more accomplished coach in the state than Mike Goebel? I wrestled against those state championship wrestling teams and holy crap. I’d love to have been a fly on the wall during those practices to see exactly how he did it.

Alabama loses to Georgia today as expected. One of three potential upsets occur. Either Michigan, Oklahoma State, or Cincinnati go down. Notre Dame is propelled into the playoffs. Excited about the hiring of their beloved defensive coordinator at head coach, the return of Kyle Hamilton, and the fact that every assistant coach said, "no, we'd rather stay at Notre Dame than go to LSU," the Irish play with tons of emotion and upset the Bulldogs in Round 1. That momentum continues and propels the Irish to national champions. Does Marcus Freeman automatically get graced with a statue of his honor as a championship coach? Or does the university wait a few years just to make sure he's not a complete flop at the position. The making of this team began well before Freeman's time at Notre Dame. I'm just wondering if the statue gets erected if the Irish with the championship this year.

Piece of cake.

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Lol. Thanks for the championship, here's your street sign. It's an interesting question. My guess is he get's the statue.

As a side topic: In the 1966 MLB Draft (first ever), three Indiana High School players were drafted 12th round Larry Bishop C by the California Angels from Indianapolis Howe 9th round Dan Bootcheck P by the Detroit Tigers from Michigan City (I think his grandson also played for the Angels as well) 4th round Karl Simon OF by the Chicago White Sox from South Bend Central

From your keyboard to God’s ear. There’s a less successful outcome that might, nevertheless, do some good. ND ends up 5th and afterward the committee chair explains that the lack of a conference championship game is what kept ND out. Then maybe we can generate a little momentum toward a conference affiliation.

It doesn't surprise me to see the SEC at the top of the list. Not sure what to think after that. You make your bed, you sleep in it. That's how a pitiful coach like Charlie Weis ends up the highest paid coach in the NCAA.

CUB? Pre-7th grade Castle had the only tackle football leagues for a while, but I don't see why you'd want the AAU basketball or travel baseball (don't get me started unless it's American Legion or American Legion JV) for football. Seems to work better for "individual sports": wrestling, swimming/diving, tennis, golf, running clubs, etc... Also Jasper's little secret in addition to Coach Gobert is American Legion JV baseball (in addition to a tremendous city/local youth program). I'll never slight Rockport American Legion, but Coach Gobert's approach of using American Legion baseball (not allowing graduates -- they typically play for the Jasper Reds if they're going to college) is genius. He gets his players for 30+ HS games per year and then 30+ Legion games.

I patiently read through this thread to see if you had some kind of sound reasoning for this. Turns out you don’t.

Eh, people in certain parts of the country commute over an hour to work daily. We are pretty spoiled in Indy.

Quick quiz - since the success factor implementation, which 2A school has been bumped up for tournament success? SR, or MD? Wasn't this thing put in place for the private/parochial schools anyway?!? I suspect, with 28 juniors on their roster, MD will be making their SF trip up soon, that is, unless, the IHSAA decides the COVID year really didn't happen?

I genuinely want to know how they would do against the likes of Westfield/Cathedral/Center Grove this year. That team was loaded and would have been a contender at the very least in Indiana at the 5A/6A level.