Bash Riprock

My discussion is not about racial disparity with head coach hiring, but directed toward Brian Flores as a leader. As the Dolphins were improving over the past couple of years, I asked a good friend who is a big Fins fan if he was excited about the future. His response was he was concerned about what was going on internally. I wasn't sure what he meant, so I asked for specifics. He then told me that the rumor was that Flores was considered "toxic" within the organization. I wasn't sure what he meant, but I left it. This was a couple of months ago...definitely prior to his separation from the Dolphins. I then read this opinion....and it does have me scratching my head. Without getting into the alleged racism, is it possible that Flores needs to improve and mature as a leader? In other words, does he also need to look at himself internally and see where he can improve his leadership style? I am in no way shape or form trying to diminish a bigger issue....just thinking about Flores individually. Is there some potential that he rubs people the wrong way? Now, if they prove that Miami was tanking games deliberately, then there is zero doubt the owner and management team lacks ethics and should be dealt with harshly. Go tons of respect for you Yuccaguy....we fellow Lutherans have to stick together!! https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2022-02-10-doug-gottlieb-toxic-brian-flores-looks-unlikeable-after-lovie-smith-burn/ This is where Brian Flores DOESN’T GET IT, and didn’t get it when he got fired in Miami. I hear people all the time are like ‘Well, he’s a great coach’, no one is saying that he's not, but the ‘coaching’ is only a portion of being a head coach. You have to manage ‘up’ [with the front office] and manage ‘down’ [with the players], and he couldn’t manage up. The facts are different from the feelings, they just are, and here are the facts: the general manager in Miami, the assistant general manager, the director of player personnel – they are ALL Black men. They wanted him GONE. It was an ‘us’ or ‘him’, and the owner was like ‘I’m going to side with these guys.’ When I said Flores needed to be more contrite, anyone who has ever lost a job or lost an opportunity – at some point you just got to go ‘ya know, sometimes it actually IS me.’ It’s ME and the way I handled myself. He may have been misperceived, it’s totally reasonable to go like ‘ya know, I probably came across as a little brash, a little harsh, it was my first job, I had only been in New England, I only watched Bill Belichick and how he handled things…’ His story of the disconnect with non-Patriot people is the same story we saw in Detroit [Matt Patricia], the same story we’ve seen with Charlie Weis, the same story we saw with Eric Mangini; you go through all the Patriots’ assistants it’s all the same thing, and he’s the only one going ‘nah, it wasn’t me, it was them.’

Muda, you can give me all the down votes you want....truly not much of a motivator for me. My comment wasn't directed toward any one person. Pretty much most comments. Jets vs The Sharks If that you "feel" my comment in a less than positive way, well sorry...nothing personal to you intended. Hopefully, we are all just bored without football.

After a few days of being away, I came back and read this thread. I will never get the lost time back......

BK2 is a far better dancer…..

Interesting data…..from this article… ARMANDO SALGUERO: BRIAN FLORES CLAIMS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN NFL HIRING PRACTICES, SO LET’S EXAMINE HIS HIRING PRACTICES Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black. Flores hired four offensive coordinators during his time with the Dolphins, including co-coordinators in 2021. Three of those four are white. Flores hired four offensive line coaches during his tenure, and three of those four are white. Flores hired two defensive coordinators during his time as head coach, one black and one white. Flores hired four quarterback or assistant quarterback coaches during his three years, and three of those four are white, with Jim Caldwell the only exception. Caldwell, it should be noted, worked under Flores for a couple of months but departed before the 2019 season began, citing health issues. Flores hired one special teams coordinator during his time as coach, that being Danny Crossman, who is white. I think that’s quite a theory that tanking is racially motivated. That would demand proof/facts.

I understand and read about this. I see 2 separate but equally concerning issues that demand investigation. I just was trying to understand the post that focused on tanking. I don’t see tanking as a racial issue.

Totally agree, but is “tanking” race driven? While completely wrong and destroys integrity of the game, (if proven) wouldn’t an owner done same with a coach regardless of his skin color? Guess I’m not seeing the correlation, but open to be educated.

Feels like a USFL or Arena football team name....... I like this logo....

Good for him. I thought he might end up a South Dakota State Jackrabbit like his Dad. but the young man is blazing his own trail!!

Truly is….

What a classy, fierce competitor. His retirement words....wow. Well done TB....legend!

His oldest son transferred from Miami of Ohio to join his Dad at IU. Middle son just enrolled for the spring semester at IU and youngest son still at Bloomington South is an IU verbal. My guess is that the middle and youngest sons will flip. (both 4 stars) Huge loss for IU on the field and I am guessing with the family culture.

Couldn't that be said for a number of NFL middle linebackers past and present? Doesn't mean they weren't dominate at their position. you said it better than me....I am not in agreement with the Butkus comment, but overall, totally agree

He didn't do it on his own....and because the NFL was so very different and didn't depend on the QB nearly as much as today, I struggle with your rationale. Heck, if you go back and look at his history, most seasons he shared the starting duties. He did win the MVP one of his years, and did go into the HOF in 1965, so I can see where you make the argument. I agree that timeframe was different than today....but he much has tossed it around a little to be the all-time Bears leader in interceptions thrown.

Luckman only threw for more than 2000 yds twice and is the all time Bear's leader with interceptions thrown.......still holds that record. (132)

How in the world can you leave Bob Avellini off that list?? Erik Kramer or Jim Miller??

Maybe the mascot and team nickname change drove him away........😜

I have to go with Klein

Awesome to see good things for the former Indiana high school stars.

Pretty dang cool….

One of the most talented teams in NFL history with a legend D coordinator. Ditka is great...but not sure he replaces Sayers on the greatest Bears of all time.

I don't know RebelDad or the Roncalli Horde. The Roncalli folks I know are all excellent people. While we may see this issue through different lenses, I understand how you feel and salute the convictions you use to help your family manage risk. I do have a legitimate question that I am hoping you can help me understand. If you are so adamant against football until the age of 18 in the name of safety, why are you so vocal and spend so much time on a high school football forum? I have read your numerous posts pertaining to high school football that have nothing to do with safety and it would seem that you are very interested and motivated by the high school game. It seems that you spend time on both sides of the fence. Godspeed and have a wonderful weekend. Buzz Killington

I am sure he is an excellent doctor. Is he a neurologist? And if so, does he have experience with large studies focusing on concussion injuries with youth? If so, please direct me to his work. I absolutely will read. I work with some tremendous chemical engineers routinely. They are masters at their craft...excellent engineers. But I would not want them designing a suspension bridge over a large body of water. I think a good civil/structural engineer is a far better choice, don't you? Just because one is a MD, doesn't make them an expert of every medical issue. That is why there are specialists for a given area of medicine. But if you wish to accept his views, more power to you. It doesn't mean everyone else with a different view is wrong.