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perhaps that is a fairer statement....we concur they are variables, but may not align on their impact along with the other variables needed for sustained success. I can get there with your statement...

You actually started 2 threads on contraction at the same time? Bobref and YG...where are you??

I gotta align with BDG93..... 3 straight semi-states, running into a tough CG team each time isn't what I would call seasons of failure....Final 4 6A 3 years in a row? And somehow that's bad? 2 of those years, they beat Brownsburg and Carmel in the regionals.....

says you....but not me....FB16 has provided you too many examples of where that formula fails....but you "ain't" listening.....

A huge reason why LCC has been a premier program in the state for years. Its about culture, and that starts young and it continues on when people that have graduated from the program wish to come back and continue to invest. Yes, its about a feeder, but it beyond the feeder...its the level of involvement and the expectation for success that develops within the community. That is why I contend, there are a number of variables when it comes to sustained successful HS programs....and its way more than $$ and enrollment. As FB16 has stated and proven, those 2 variables by themselves do not guarantee success.

That is a fact....but so many on the league BOD are former youth players, and former players under Coach Moore during his early years here...many on the 2000 state runner-up team. Younger former players are already coaching...some with no kids in the league. Other former players with no kids help with significant sponsorships to fund the program. Ray Skillman's involvement and impact with the CGBFL has been beyond description. Coach Moore has been heavily involved since day 1, and still is. My prediction is that will remain even after he decides to do something else beside coach. There is a culture for football in the land of Troy. I don't worry one bit about the future......

Hey Waldorf! Think what you want.....rather be that kid than a bitter old dude that can't let something go.... You're hi-jacking a thread with the same old song.....and I just don't want to go down your rabbit hole. But nice closing try with the "you're not smart enough" to debate with me.....

you are going to feel the way you feel based on your personal experiences, and I the same. I lived the old format here in Indiana. I understand the disappointment first hand for a 7-2 team. Now, I realize today's criteria may be significantly different. CG was a very young team that faced an absolute gauntlet their first 4 games...you know nothing about the team and their abilities over those games. But they sure learned and developed. Urgency...that's funny. You obviously don't know anything about Coach Moore and his program. I'm not playing this old game with you...quite frankly, that horse is gone and its boring. And if you need to pull out the handkerchief and dab the tears from your eyes, try brushing your teeth....

Perhaps they would based on criteria established today....I haven't seen it. But they sure wouldn't have made based upon the criteria back during my Indiana HS days....that I'm sure.

Don't go overboard and I sure didn't mean to light this one up again..... I was exaggarating a bit. Of course teams want to win every game, and conference championships do matter. But no one wants to be playing their best football at the beginning of the season...no one. Keeping this conversation in context, I was responding to a given year that was quoted as a down year....thanks to the current system that recognizes improvement with a team, that team that faced a gauntlet earlier in the season and took their lumps, developed and went all the way to the 6A state championship game, almost pulling off a championship. If anything, that example smacks your theory right in the face.....and I would contend CG demonstrating improvement and playing in the state final, makes Indiana football far better than if they had been eliminated from the playoffs and was sitting at home.

Don't confuse speaking in hyperbole as not buying into the elixer you are peddling. 8-6...got hot? Or perhaps young players developed by playing such a tough schedule and could have easily won another title. So what a team loses 4 games....play their schedule and see how easy it is. No one gives a fart about losses in the early season...its about how a team plays at the end, correct? Of course every year won't be the same....but when you look at a number of years and study true trends vs single years, there is no doubt they are a contender. What team dreams to play CG in the tournament? Carmel....16 losses over the past 5 years.....8-5 in 2017. One state title during the period.....haven't made it out of the regional the last 2 years. Wait a minute....they have the numbers.....$$.....and a really good coach.......hmmmmmm.

So the equation for success is ...... Large enrollments x $$ = automatic success and championships.....unless, there is a HOF coach and that wipes out the formula. Nothing else matters.....who knew it was so simple? Expand school enrollments and find some $$. Carmel....crown them!! Game over. (exception Cathedral since they are private...forget about that adjustment to the success formula)

I know you love to argue for the sake of arguing, and I'm not going to get sucked into it...too much on my work plate. If it were solely enrollment and $$, Carmel wins every year.....the disparity would be too much to overcome. We know that doesn't happen...especially when Carmel is in the southern bracket of the tournament. They also don't win the MIC title every year....not even close. BTW, I didn't limit the success equation to just coaching....lots more variables needed for success. Good to know that CG is only a sporadic contender....😄

I don't think Grover is taking anything personally, just showing you that your theory is not absolute. Does Cathedral have an enrollment advantage? Yet year after year, they are among the very best this state can offer in football. Moore has also proven there are several other variables in the equation for success....and he has been doing it for a long time. If the correlation of enrollment to winning championships is that strong, shut the door and turn off the lights, because its already over. Carmel wins in 6A. Every year. Let's also just give the titles out to the largest schools in each class and be done with this.... First it was socioeconomics that was the top reason when it comes to gridiron success....now its enrollment? Pick one.

Yeah...I didn't say otherwise. I know Van Alstyne had nothing to do with academics....not at all. Stellar student. I think it was more to coaching transitions during his recruiting process. I believe he committeed under Davie, then changed to Michigan following his leaving ND.

Couple of Indy area players in the early to mid 2000’s decommitted from ND. LB/DL Van Alstyne (CG) ended up at Michigan and Ryan Baker DL (Chatard) to Purdue. But I agree overall, ND typically gets the Indiana kids they target.

This guy doesn't think the Warriors are doomed in the least bit. Kirshner is a great leader. I still would like you to explain your negative comment about CG. CG and WC has had a heck of a rivalry over the years with each team winning some very big games against the other. Games have been clean with good hard play. Have cheered a ton for former WC players at the collegiate level. Hope to start cheering for one in the NFL this year. Just surprised with your comment....

Why?? Its been a tremendous rivalry over the years with tremendous respect. Not sure why you would say something like this?

"those people"? Please elaborate.

No disagreement...but hasn't that the way its always been in the world? Rockefellers, Kennedy's, Getty's, Henry the VIII, Ford, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Catherine the Great, etc. Most of the people on your list have also done some tremendous benefit to mankind as well. But I agree about losing grapsh with the plight on the common man...and one doesn't have to be on the most weathliest list....see it everyday with the comments from celebrities. (hollywood and sports) The value that the US and much of Europe has placed on entertainment is mind-boggling.

The utter hyprocrisy of the NFL....they know how to market, and that's all. Sounds pretty darn disgusting.... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34054310/cleveland-browns-qb-deshaun-watson-saw-least-66-massage-therapists-17-month-period-report-says

Although I don't see where Michigan moved up with RichRod over Lloyd. (not just wins and losses either) Carr lost his wife last year after a tough battle with cancer. Nice article about their life and her passing from The Detroit News. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2021/05/25/laurie-carr-wife-michigan-wolverines-football-coach-lloyd-carr-dies-70/7433777002/

Was just reading about this. Now we know.