Bash Riprock

I think we are on the same page.....and your last sentence aligns with my original thought. When trying to attract a FA QB, MAC will not excite a QB. Perhaps the same for Doyle, but he was considered a long-term solid performer at this position. Today, Colts have Cox and the 1 year player out of SMU. (forgetting his name) I believe the lack of a proven LT and no established speedy #1 receiver would be the biggest concerns for a big name QB, assuming the Colts had something to offer their teams.

Yes...while Darius Leonard, Quentin Nelson and other Colts seemed to get a pretty free pass. They received nothing close to the wrath Wentz received.

I have no idea who does Leonard's tweets. Wouldn't one assume that if he outsources his tweeting, that he would have someone tweet in alignment with his personal feelings?

Do you think the former college basketball player turned TE would be a starter for most NFL teams? Not saying he isn't experienced or doesn't have talent....but is he seen as a true #1 across the league?

Well...if the media says so.......take it to the bank!!! Maybe Darius Leonard was an outlier....wait a minute...he wasn't the only one tweeting. Reports I've read is that Irsay was not a Wentz fan. And I am guessing that is what mattered most. My guess is because he didn't conform to the boss's wishes and didn't put up the stats like Leonard and Q. Are those reports accurate? Who knows...as plausible as your link. We do know Irsay missed a meeting with Wentz prior to the deal.

I totally agree....how does one attract an existing solid QB without a starting LT, lack of a speedy #1 receiver, and now no experienced TE? Not to mention what do the Colts offer? They have been hammered giving up draft picks...nothing this year in the 1st round and is giving up more future 1st round picks the answer? What can they offer to get a Jimmy G or D. Carr? Very little unless they offer up their current few studs. Andrew Luck retiring has left a huge hole that will continue to haunt the Colts for years to come.....

Like DE asked, please clarify this statement with some actual basis....and quoting Doyel who hated him from Day 1 for his Wentz' covid vaccine stance doesn't count. Unless you have connections to the Colts locker room, be careful buying everything members of the media may say.... Darius Leonard seems to have a different feeling.....

I think the league is kidding itself of promoting something for their sport that drives dollars, then act like its horrific if their own players engage in the same. One year suspension for betting a total of $1500 on unrelated games? Fine if they want to slap a hand for an undesired behavior that had minor impact....but this? While promoting gambling to others??? I think we disagree about it being shady as well. When you "wallow with the pigs, you are going to get muddy"........ I get it...we see this differently....that's cool. You have the last word....appreciate the positive discussion!!!

I understand the risk of betting on your sport....I am saying the issue starts further upstream. Why partner with betting services in the first place if integrity of the game is so important? As if the NFL didn't open that door a little wider. If its all about cash, then stop trying to pretend you care about image. The NFL showed us that plenty with the handling of other issues over the past few years.

No disagreement there. But the application of quality control by the NFL in regards to their business/brand sure has tremendous variability. Thus my comment regarding inconsistency. The NFL chose to get into the gambling game. But when a player participates with one of its sponsors, unrelated to his own team or play, for a very small $$'s, the hammer comes down. I am not sure its a complete no-brainer for the NFL to partner with gambling. I understand the dollars....but with those dollars comes tremendous risk.

Its no problem.....there is a back up plan...... Colts will run the WingT in 2022......😜

The inconsistency is not in what they "do"....its their applications of what is moral....what consistitutes integrity. You can disagree with that....we will just see this issue differently.

Spot on Irish....the NFL announces exclusive sports betting partners, promotes fantasy football, and even moves a storied franchise to the betting capital of the world, but them goes spastic over a player betting a small amount with a NFL partner on games that are not his. Seem inconsistent?? When you choose to "dance with the devil", then try to convince society that you have morals..... https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-announces-tri-exclusive-sports-betting-partners https://www.nfl.com/fantasy-football/free-fantasy-football-leagues

MLBPA has has YEARS to focus on minor league players. But the focus has been driving up the salaries of their players....and they have been more than successful. I am very skeptical this is truly about the "little man" in baseball. Don't hear the players crying for higher wages for the beer vendor....the hot dog guy...the grounds crew....the ticketing department....purchasing reps, etc. I am not calling for owners to obtain "sainthood level" either. But most of society has very little stomach for this given what is going on in the world today and also in our country. At the end of the day, any increase in labor cost will be passed onto the consumer...that very same consumer that is struggling right now with the highest inflation in 40 years. My point is that this is horrible timing. If a a player can hit 93 mph slider down and away (Bobref reference), they won't be in the minors for long. There is no rookie mistake....its ridiculous to have millionaires and billionaires fighting at this time in history....over a child's game.

We will agree to disagree.....and don't really need a lesson about what drive labor cost. Not a rookie here. You actually made my point....Americans value entertainment over people that truly make a difference to society. While far fewer may hit a 93 mph slider down and away, there are very few countries on this planet that care. Baseball players are fortunate as well that education isn't necessary to hit a ball. But they can thank their creator.

When one seems to label ownership/management as the problem, that is a common union tactic. Baseball players are not underpaid....not one bit. They play a kids game. And reading "poor" Mike Troutt's tweets during a time when we see what is going on over in Europe, and what inflation here in this country is doing to the average family, it is the absolute worst timing there can be for millionaires to cry. No sympathy for baseball players. If their millions aren't enough to play a game, they are always welcome into the real world. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I believe I could have a decent life living off the minimum salary https://www.baseball-almanac.com/charts/salary/major_league_salaries.shtml

Spoken like a true union man..... Guess an average salary of $4.17MM a year isn't enough playing a kid's game. Clearly the greed is one-sided. 🙄 Meanwhile, wonder how that compares to the average salary of a school teacher, policeman, firefighter and oh yeah...a soldier? What's going on in the world and the impact on people....ridiculous timing to squabbling over $$ with this demographic. Poor mistreated baseball players....my heart aches for them. What's the cost today of a family of 4 to attend a MLB game? Tickets, parking, hot dog, popcorn and a beer. Yeah, lets increase that even more. But MLB will claim they love their fans. What a joke. We will agree to disagree that the greed only comes from one direction. Hopefully, one day America will wake up and start deprioritizing entertainment and start demanding their money goes toward the people that serve them and truly makes a difference.

....meanwhile in Ukraine.........

I admit...I am one of those folks. I don't know much about him. I don't have a problem with his rationale for calling a time out. If the other team still has some starters in and they are pressing or picking up full court pressure with a few secs left down by 15 against his bench players, I take no issue with his calling a TO to reset the 10 sec clock. I don't think Gard meant anything...just trying to explain himself after Howard's comments. I do agree that grabbing someone, even with no malice intended, is not the best idea when he clearly knew Howard was upset. I'm not fans of either program.....just hate to see that event occur.

not doubting you...I just can't remember. But I'm not a big NBA fan. Perhaps anger management issues is a trend.....

I honestly did not know that....I thought his reputation in the NBA was pretty solid. I didn't remember any major outburts, but I may be missing the obvious. I believe he left Michigan early, but earned his degree going to school, while playing ball, which I respected very much. https://www.mitchalbom.com/juwans-promisewhile-playing-in-nbarookie-finishes-degree-from-michigan/ Because I had seen or heard of these outbursts before learning about his issue last year during the Big 10 tournament, I couldn't help from wondering if the stresses from coaching were getting to him and he is simply struggling managing this role. Not making any excuses for Howard....perhaps wrongly, but I thought this recent episodes were signs of changing behavior.

I didn’t think it would land as a firing until his post game conference and then learning about his threat toward the Maryland head coach the previous year. I believe he’s very fortunate and hope he learns and grows from this horrible event. He needs to get his emotions under control.

I learned some things from you and Gonzo today about the forum.....all in all, a good day!! Just don't want to be redundant....

Sorry...I am not a member I wasn't thinking this was tied to a single sport...but I am good if the moderators delete this thread. I was wondering why it wasn't being discussed. Thanks

While not football, it is still appropriate given the topics of sportsmanship, coaching and leadership. Its been surprisingly quiet on this forum and couldn't help from wondering why. Was the punishment handed down by The Big 10/University of Michigan appropriate in the Juwan Howard case? 5 games suspension without pay (remainder of the regular season) and a $40K fine. 3 players suspended for 1 game. Hearing some advocating the ceasing of the handshake line at the games end. (I have to admit...I align with Tom Izzo's stance) Thoughts??